ARTICLE: Police seeking help with request for video footage

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:02 pm

Lancs Police have issued a requested for any video footage from yesterday's incident.

Link provided as to where and how you can send it at
http://www.uptheclarets.com/police-seek ... eo-footage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:00 pm

And what are they goin to do really. Their fans are long gone

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:05 pm

cutsy123 wrote:And what are they goin to do really. Their fans are long gone

No they'll want any once of footage showing a home fan drunk, antagonising etc to arrest them.

They take every opportunity to make home fans lives hard work, often giving us a bad name for none issues, yet when they get found wanting and shown up for the incompetent people they are, ask for our help.

I'm sure the club would have more and better footage than any camera phone.

Seems odd asking for more... be very careful!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:13 pm

MACCA wrote:No they'll want any once of footage showing a home fan drunk, antagonising etc to arrest them.

They take every opportunity to make home fans lives hard work, often giving us a bad name for none issues, yet when they get found wanting and shown up for the incompetent people they are, ask for our help.

I'm sure the club would have more and better footage than any camera phone.

Seems odd asking for more... be very careful!

The police are asking for help. They've already clearly pointed the finger of blame at the Hannover fans.

Real ale 2 · Post by **Real ale 2** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:14 pm

Your right Cutsy123.. do they really think the German police are going to do their work for them?Some truth in what you say Macca I would expect some Burnley fans down the line to be arrested ..with banning orders etc after responding after the trouble broke out ..not condoning that either

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:16 pm

Staggering to see the responses so far on this thread.

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:17 pm

Didn't I post this exact same information in your thread yesterday Tony? haha

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... =2&t=19039

Didn't really need another thread did it?

(I'm joking before the trolls come out from under their bridges)

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:21 pm

Why would anyone help the incompetent police do their job.

775claret · Post by **775claret** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:23 pm

cutsy123 wrote:And what are they goin to do really. Their fans are long gone

No they aren't. The police have just kicked a load out of Waterhouse spoons in Manchester

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:27 pm

whiffa wrote:Didn't I post this exact same information in your thread yesterday Tony? haha

Hadn't seen it sorry but this thread links to the article on the main site

Midmoorclaret · Post by **Midmoorclaret** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:32 pm

KRBFC wrote:Why would anyone help the incompetent police do their job.

Hasn't it occurred to you that someone may have vital footage that no one else has, and could be used to catch a violent troublemaker be it one of theirs or ours. Whoever these people are they should not get away with it and allow our club and town to be tarnished.

I'm sure that our Police would pass on to the German Police any footage which could identify one of their troublemakers so that they can be targeted by German Police in the future. It may not lead to a prosecution in this country but at least would not let these thugs get away with it.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:40 pm

KRBFC wrote:Why would anyone help the incompetent police do their job.

Those incompetent police acted very quickly and may have possibly through their actions prevented serious injuries which would very likely have been to Burnley fans.

I think there are some very good reasons why it would be right to offer help where possible.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:43 pm

ClaretTony wrote:The police are asking for help. They've already clearly pointed the finger of blame at the Hannover fans.

I'm sure they'll be an arrest or 2 for our fans, if there hasn't already.

I've read dozens of posts on here blaming Burnley fans already.

Cast your mind back to the last incident in CFS against Rovers. Police couldn't swing the batons quick enough on Burnley fans, yet yesterday stood and watched...

If everyone gets the same treatment and punishments all's well, sadly the Lancs police have done far more harm than good for us supporters. They never back us and do everything in their power to tarnish us and make none issues, issues.

ClaretFelix · Post by **ClaretFelix** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:49 pm

MACCA wrote:I'm sure they'll be an arrest or 2 for our fans, if there hasn't already.

I've read dozens of posts on here blaming Burnley fans already.

Cast your mind back to the last incident in CFS against Rovers. Police couldn't swing the batons quick enough on Burnley fans, yet yesterday stood and watched...

If everyone gets the same treatment and punishments all's well, sadly the Lancs police have done far more harm than good for us supporters. They never back us and do everything in their power to tarnish us and make none issues, issues.

What a loads of ********. I had friends and colleagues stood face to face with these hooligans, doing their best to restore order and protect the vulnerable.
One of them was knocked inconscious.
What harm have the police done to the club in advising the abandonment of this game? Should they have let the game continue with seats flying?? Christ you'd whinge if one had inadvertently hit a player on field, never mind an innocent spectator or child.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:50 pm

Yet the time they're blaming the Away fans and Burnley fans would rather sit and complain about past issues instead of helping out and moving on with life...

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:51 pm

I'm totally staggered by the responses on here as well, whilst acknowledging that footage could get Burnley fans into trouble if it did I would guess the people deserve it. I'm confused why are the Police incompetent? It is widely agreed that the police in UK are some if the best at dealing with this type of incident. If idiotic people didn't go to Football for a fight the Police wouldn't need to be looking for people to prosecute. The Clubs CCTV Cameras won't cover every nook and cranny nor will it have filmed every incident I guess. Just because Lancs Police ate asking for coverage doesn't mean it is just for them I'm quite sure they've already spoken to the counterparts in Hannover and they will be a knowledge share.

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Hadn't seen it sorry but this thread links to the article on the main site

I saw it and as a result sent in my footage so thanks. Good for UTC to make it more clear though as it could have been missed.

Real ale 2 · Post by **Real ale 2** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:55 pm

Tony I beg to differ the police and stewards after the trouble started were great ..their inaction prior to that in the ground not outside ..was a contributory factor in embolding an already aggressive ,arrogant bunch of visiting "fans" ..firmer and earlier action would very likely meant the situation when fans may have been injured never arose.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:04 pm

MACCA wrote:I'm sure they'll be an arrest or 2 for our fans, if there hasn't already.

I've read dozens of posts on here blaming Burnley fans already.

Cast your mind back to the last incident in CFS against Rovers. Police couldn't swing the batons quick enough on Burnley fans, yet yesterday stood and watched...

If everyone gets the same treatment and punishments all's well, sadly the Lancs police have done far more harm than good for us supporters. They never back us and do everything in their power to tarnish us and make none issues, issues.

Absolutely shocking post including some absolute nonsense. If you don't wish toor can't help, then fine but that post is a nonsense. And just as a matter of interest,there would not have been Burnley fans in that stand at all without police support.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:10 pm

Some seriously stupid posts but shouldnt come as a surprise given the belmtardary we see so regularly

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:13 pm

MACCA is probably referring to the incident where the police smashed a lot of Burnley fans, then asked for help identify 4 Burnley fans who were involved the violence through the local paper.

The four were identified and interviewed for singing NNN and other anti blackburn songs. Pretty certain none were charged, two definitely were not.

Hopefully the grainy, jumpy footage, in conjunction with the state of art cctv helps to identify those involved.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:18 pm

I agree with Maccas opening post, be careful folks.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:33 pm

If the Burnley fans are as innocent as they make out then surely there should be an issue?

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:48 pm

For their fanatical fans it was a day out with no rules in anutha country. Itb be the same if we played there

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:52 pm

cutsy123 wrote:For their fanatical fans it was a day out with no rules in anutha country. Itb be the same if we played there

You obviously haven't been on any of our trips out of the country.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:55 pm

Brexit again? Clearly very upset at gaping hole our 'gift' to the EU will leave, knowing they -the Germans - will have to fill it.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:57 pm

KRBFC wrote:Why would anyone help the incompetent police do their job.

I'd suggest if we aren't prepared to assist then we can't complain, whether they are incompetent or not.

We have a system in this country of "policing by consent." We assist the police - and the police assist us.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:59 pm

cutsy123 wrote:For their fanatical fans it was a day out with no rules in anutha country. Itb be the same if we played there

Therein lies the problem with the mentality of some people.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:18 pm

Was the usual routine of arrest first , ask questions later not applied for this game?

I didn't say the police didn't do a good job protecting people, but if you believe for one minute If it was the opposite way round, batons wouldn't be being swung and crunched in heads, then you are deluded and wet behind the ears.

If Burnley were the aggressors, people would have been arrested, injured and dealt with, with force. Seems as the aggressors were German, they got different treatment.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:21 pm

ClaretFelix wrote:What a loads of ********. I had friends and colleagues stood face to face with these hooligans, doing their best to restore order and protect the vulnerable.
One of them was knocked inconscious.
What harm have the police done to the club in advising the abandonment of this game? Should they have let the game continue with seats flying?? Christ you'd whinge if one had inadvertently hit a player on field, never mind an innocent spectator or child.

Totally correct abandoning the game.

Sadly I think more robust action would have been taken should the shoe have been on the other foot.

That's the problem I have.

Fairness, is all we can ask for.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:40 pm

I am with Macca on this one.

If this had been Burnley fans in Germany then do you think it would have been handled the same? Hundreds would have been dragged away..quite probably given a hiding and thrown in cells to be dealt with. This lot (once inside the ground) were given impunity to do as they wished. The moving of the cover separating them from the front of the stand was just the start. No police to be seen when that occurred and the poor stewards (not often i say that) didn't really have much choice faced with what they were.

I am aware the Police try not to come into the ground unless necessary. Judging by the events that happened prior to them getting in the ground and their intelligence (never been a bigger oxymoron in their case) then surely common prudence would have meant the commander ensuring that the riot police were ready and waiting. Clearly they wern't. The police that arrived first had baseball caps on. Yes they had batons but they were ill equipped to face flying seats and i thought they did a tremendous job with what resources they had. It wasn't until things had started to calm down that the guys with helmets and shields turned up to create the barrier.

Having experienced what I have throughout the years (ands I have never been involved in any trouble) I can bet my last pound that had it been the other way things would have been very different.

In my eyes the match commander has some very serious questions to answer. The fact he probably won't tells you all you need to know about the state of the police. The officers in the stand that faced up to the Hannover fans have my utmost admiration in difficult circumstances as do the stewards, particularly the young lady who was seen hobbling away in front of the James Hargreaves.

It was handled slowly and badly. The outcome is they have got away with it and like i said at the start if it was the other way round there would be a lot of Burnley fans locked up in Germany right now.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:46 pm

I also dont understand why their fans were marched down Yorkshire St after the game when usually fans get taken up via Parliament St to avoid town ....... Just added to the mess about.

nimpy · Post by **nimpy** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:10 pm

Why weren't the German fans that broke the seats and threw them at Burnley supporters arrested on the ground after the Burnley crowd had gone. The police had them contained in the cricket field stand why not arrest and charge them ?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:30 pm

nimpy wrote:Why weren't the German fans that broke the seats and threw them at Burnley supporters arrested on the ground after the Burnley crowd had gone. The police had them contained in the cricket field stand why not arrest and charge them ?

I would think it would need considerable amount of time after the event to determine who committed offences.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:41 pm

I have to say i'm surprised that BFC the club haven't been mentioned. Maybe the club's European scouting for friendly's matches their European scouting for players or maybe it was just a case of Hannover asking for the match and the club saying yes without doing the due diligence? . The club invited Hannover to turf moor for the friendly, so It's the club's responsibility to ensure the ground is a safe environment for fans not the police's. A bit of basic research by the club could have stopped this fixture being planned in the first place.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:43 pm

The police have issued a further statement this afternoon which I've now added to the article linked at the top of this thread. It can be found below.

We are appealing for mobile phone footage showing the disorder which occurred yesterday (Saturday) at the Burnley FC v Hannover 96 football game.

Our investigation into the incident is very much ongoing and we are determined to identify those responsible for causing injury and criminal damage at the Turf Moor stadium. Although we have received some footage which shows the incident, we would like to hear from anybody else who filmed the disorder, which began shortly before half-time.

Chief Superintendent Chris Bithell, of Lancashire Police, said: “The disorder we saw yesterday has no place in football, and certainly not in Lancashire. Children and families were in attendance at what was a pre-season friendly match, which should have passed peacefully and without incident – but which ended up being abandoned due to the behaviour of some of the travelling Hannover fans. Both the constabulary and Burnley FC condemn this behaviour.

“Overnight we have collated and trawled through footage of the disorder, but we believe there will be more people who have videos on their phones which could help with our ongoing investigation.

“Anybody who has such footage is asked to send it to us as soon as possible.”

A proportionate policing operation was in place based on pre-game intelligence, however the behaviour of many Hannover fans before and during the game was confrontational from the outset.

Forty minutes into the game a large group of Hannover fans attempted en masse to breach segregation and attack home supporters. This violence escalated with police officers and stewards being attacked, and ultimately we decided in consultation with the referee and the club’s grounds safety officer that the game could not continue.

During the disorder Hannover fans also caused damage to the stands by ripping out seating, before using it as weapons and missiles against officers and grounds staff.

Extra resources were quickly drafted in from across the county and the visiting Hannover fans were escorted from the stadium and away from the ground to ensure no further disorder took place.

As a result of the violence, a police officer suffered a head injury, and was treated at Burnley General Hospital. He has since been discharged. Two stewards suffered minor injuries and were treated at the scene, and one suffered a dislocated shoulder and is currently undergoing treatment in hospital.

Ch Supt Bithell added: “We are now continuing to work closely with staff and managers at Burnley FC, and their co-operation has been very much appreciated. Similarly, we would like to thank the fans who co-operated and left the ground without incident once the game had been called off.

“Once again, if anyone has mobile phone footage please send it to us as soon as possible.”

Anybody with footage is asked to send it to us using the ‘Report a Crime or Incident’ form on the force website at https://doitonline.lancashire.police.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:45 pm

I have no problem with the behaviour of the police and stewards yesterday, they did their best and contained a difficult situation the best they could.
My issue is twofold, as has been mentioned earlier, had the Burnley fans instigated this then the police would have waded into the mix and cracked heads, this didn't happen in the away end. Why?
Secondly it has been documented that the police were aware of potential issues with the Hannover supporters PRIOR to the game and yet it was only after it had kicked off that they decided to draft more officers in according to their own statement. Again, why? There should have been a larger police presence for this game and the situation was in effect handled by zero contract stewards (who were excellent btw). Lancashire police let themselves down yesterday imo.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:51 pm

If the police was aware of issues prior to the game, the club talks to the police I presume, why didn't the club move the home supporters out of that stand?

'you know what lads for your own safety, sorry but its away fans only today, you have to change stands just for today. Here's a voucher have a free pie and beer on us'

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:56 pm

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:If the police was aware of issues prior to the game, the club talks to the police I presume, why didn't the club move the home supporters out of that stand?

'you know what lads for your own safety, sorry but its away fans only today, you have to change stands just for today. Here's a voucher have a free pie and beer on us'

You are presuming that the police and the club could have predicted it happening - that I find hard to believe. I don't think anyone expected that.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:57 pm

cutsy123 wrote:And what are they goin to do really. Their fans are long gone

cutsy's right. Their fans are long gone and there's no way to communicate with counterparts in another country.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:57 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:cutsy's right. Their fans are long gone and there's no way to communicate with counterparts in another country.

No, you are both wrong - and Hannover 96 have already confirmed they will work with Burnley FC & our police.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:58 pm

ClaretTony wrote:You are presuming that the police and the club could have predicted it happening - that I find hard to believe. I don't think anyone expected that.

Why even risk it though? It's not a full house just err on the side of caution and make it away fans only.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:59 pm

Braindead wrote:Why even risk it though? It's not a full house just err on the side of caution and make it away fans only.

Then why risk it against West Brom in two weeks time? There is no way on earth they could have expected what happened yesterday.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:03 pm

The UK police have no chance of bringing the Germans to book and they know it. Old bill, are after Burnley supporters full stop. Anyone who thinks other wise is very nieve.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:03 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Then why risk it against West Brom in two weeks time? There is no way on earth they could have expected what happened yesterday.

Yes but they already KNEW there was a potential for trouble. Why didn't they start arresting the Germans as soon as they moved the tarpaulin early doors? Make a statement, shoo them away, arrest a couple, put the tarpaulin back etc etc. Instead the Hannover ultras then realised they could take the proverbial and duly did.
I just think it was badly handled.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:10 pm

The policing was a complete shambles. Heads should roll, and the guy in charge should be put back on foot patrol.
Lancashire Police are not fit for purpose as they prove when we have an east Lancashire derby.
Next time trouble is expected Lancashire coppers should stay on sick leave and let the Met or GMP take control

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Then why risk it against West Brom in two weeks time? There is no way on earth they could have expected what happened yesterday.

It was being discussed all last week on this message board, you know, the one you moderate on.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:23 pm

My thought was walking away yesterday - wait untill Russia 2018 where this will be happening @ probably every game there involving European teams & African teams.

sad times yesterday as it was like going back in time 30 years.. utc

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:26 pm

Diesel wrote:It was being discussed all last week on this message board, you know, the one you moderate on.

And the police also had "intelligence " on the matter.

Why not take control of the situation at 12:30 when 100+ took over the Inn on Wharf?

Tell the club to widen the segrigation. Get more stewards in there, make them sit top left, get a large police presence in there from the off to clamp down.

We knew what they were coming for, the police admitted there was a risk, but didn't prepare properly. 2 organisations at fault for Saturday's level of violence
1. Hannover 96 ultras
2. Lancashire constabuly

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:27 pm

ClaretTony wrote:You are presuming that the police and the club could have predicted it happening - that I find hard to believe. I don't think anyone expected that.

Off course the police did and so did the club. You tell me Tony, why was their as many coppers on duty to control 390 Germans has there was for 2700 away fans in a EPL game?