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Did you know that they want to undermine Lancashire so it will cave in for big profits by the multinationals? It's called 'fracking.'

The good folk of Lancashire said NO. The democratically elected councils of Lancashire said NO.

That authority has been completely screwed by one man: Savid Javid.

So WE have our county screwed undemocratically by... Savid Javid.

I'M LIVID.

Iam Javid

I am not. But it's a tough one this.

We need energy but no one wants turbines imby.

I prefer turbines to fracking.

Hashtag FRACK LONDON

FRACK' EM!!!!!!

What i don't believe in the fracking debate, is the claim that household energy bills will reduce this is a red herring,what this also shows is how little power local authorities actually have in reality.

So that's what's happened to Ray Wilkins

Pstotto wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... lancashire

Did you know that they want to undermine Lancashire so it will cave in for big profits by the multinationals? It's called 'fracking.'

The good folk of Lancashire said NO. The democratically elected councils of Lancashire said NO.

That authority has been completely screwed by one man: Savid Javid.

So WE have our county screwed undemocratically by... Savid Javid.

I'M LIVID.

I think you're probably lijid.

Awayfromburnley wrote:Iam Javid

I am not. But it's a tough one this.

We need energy but no one wants turbines imby.

I prefer turbines to fracking.

I'll have both thanks and I'll take energy production as a national issue that national government is entitled to decide on.

Legit in my anger at this. IT'S YOUR COUNTY matey, no joke and it's being screwed by folk from elsewhere in an undemocratic fashion.

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!

We are an windy, wet island, surrounded by some of the strongest tides in the world.

Lets dig into the ground for energy

Is this what George Osbourne meant by a Northern Powerhouse

Probably... Javid comes from Rochdale, how about fracking Rochdale?

ONE MAN.... destroying our democracy AND his near neighbours.

I hope his house is over a sink hole.

Always thought that all George Osbourne meant by The Northern Powerhouse was a reference to Fracking.
Also as mentioned above there will be no benefit to normal people.

Lancasterclaret wrote:We are an windy, wet island, surrounded by some of the strongest tides in the world.

Lets dig into the ground for energy

Not being funny but we do dig into the ground for energy. Gas and Oil for example. Is this a case of 'not on my doorstep' but it's ok elsewhere? Quite intrigued how those who are against 'Fracking' are ok with consuming gas and oil and all the hazards to our environment.
Apologies if you're all free spirits and power your cars and laptops on cow shite and the wind that makes you free.

Can he obtain a work permit and does he possess pace ?

Just because horrible things might happen elsewhere, that does not validate such activities pan-world and especially when voted against. I've not heard of earthquakes in Saudi Arabia or the North Sea, as a result of oil and gas extraction, but this seems to be pushing it one step beyond and the folk have said NO.

ExistentialWanderer wrote:Not being funny but we do dig into the ground for energy. Gas and Oil for example. Is this a case of 'not on my doorstep' but it's ok elsewhere? Quite intrigued how those who are against 'Fracking' are ok with consuming gas and oil and all the hazards to our environment.
Apologies if you're all free spirits and power your cars and laptops on cow shite and the wind that makes you free.

Add.... ground under our homes then for more accuracy. Also, we know far more about the dangers and literal limitations of fossil fuels now, than we did when North Sea was being exploited.

Good lad is our Sajid.

Got shares in Deutsche Bank?

Lancasterclaret wrote:We are an windy, wet island, surrounded by some of the strongest tides in the world.

Lets dig into the ground for energy

Problem is if wind speed gets up too high c30 mph i believe the turbines shut down.

The Rio Ave in Portugal has (had?) tidal windmills along the banks of the river. Rather than some grand tidal (Cardiff?) plan, this seems like a nice low-tech idea.

It is truly awful this fracking experiment has been allowed, I can't wait until the earthquakes hit downtown Padiham and the powers that shouldn't be attempt to convince us it's a well established fault line. The San Thickneck Fault.

Lancasterclaret wrote:We are an windy, wet island, surrounded by some of the strongest tides in the world.

Lets dig into the ground for energy

There isn't a solution for wave based power, from what I've seen. In an ideal world that would seem to be the best option, if a viable solution could be found.

A Scottish firm pioneered wave power technology but the Chinese stole the idea and put them out of business.

Watched a programme on Portugal where they pay next to nowt for electric because they use solar, wind and wave.

Whatever they come up with a combination of nimbys and professional objectors will stand outside with their banners.

I've nothing against fracking but would rather it was left in the ground until it becomes essential. Progress is being made with all other forms of electricity generation and we could reach a point where it's not needed

Yes Javid just comes across as an absolutely slimy, oily, greasy and all round typical Tory right wing reprehensible low life git...don't you think?

thatdberight wrote:I'll have both thanks and I'll take energy production as a national issue that national government is entitled to decide on.

So it's only right then that the National government pays the policing costs ?
Why should we in Lancashire pick up the tab for policing something that our County Council turned down?

nil_desperandum wrote:So it's only right then that the National government pays the policing costs ?
Why should we in Lancashire pick up the tab for policing something that our County Council turned down?

So presumably because the laws on, say, burglary are set nationally the apprehension of local miscreants should be paid for by central government? That's a ridiculous argument, as if you didn't know it already.

Re-open the coal mines technology surely can filter emissions safer than in the past...

To be fair (or perhaps correct) the County Council shouldn't have refused the application as they didn't have the evidence to support that decision. It was quite obvious that they were intimidated by the vocal protesters and the nimby voters, that's why it was granted on appeal and the Judicial Review was overturned.

ExistentialWanderer wrote:Not being funny but we do dig into the ground for energy. Gas and Oil for example. Is this a case of 'not on my doorstep' but it's ok elsewhere? Quite intrigued how those who are against 'Fracking' are ok with consuming gas and oil and all the hazards to our environment.
Apologies if you're all free spirits and power your cars and laptops on cow shite and the wind that makes you free.

The people of Lancashire or the UK have no choice on whether we use gas or oil resources, the whole economy is built and fuelled on the use of oil and gas and it's just not possible as a country to stop that use because we don't like it any more. But it was possible to stop fracking at the county level and to reject the direction of travel that fracking represents. At least it was until Savid Javid disagreed and then it wasn't possible. You don't have to live on an allotment to know that's bullshit.

thatdberight wrote:So presumably because the laws on, say, burglary are set nationally the apprehension of local miscreants should be paid for by central government? That's a ridiculous argument, as if you didn't know it already.

How is it a ridiculous argument?
It's comparing the costs of a national policing operation in Lancashire to that of apprehending a burglar in Padiham that's ridiculous.

You've already said that it's a national issue that has been laid at our door. It's rather similar to Lancashire Council tax payers having to foot the police bill for Party Conferences if they happen to be at Blackpool.
You may consider it to be a ridiculous argument, but Lancashire Police wouldn't agree.
Lancashire Police are facing unprecedented cuts to their budget. The force has suffered huge cuts in recent years with 850 officers and 450 police staff losing their jobs since austerity began. It has so far made £78.7m of annual savings – with another £40m to be saved by 2020, but policing the fracking sites is costing them an estimated £450,000 each month.
In the circumstances the police have asked the Home Office to foot the bill. The HO have refused to intervene. However, the "good" news for Council tax payers is that once the cost exceeds £2.6 million - fast approaching - the Home Office have to pick up the bill.
So perhaps my point isn't so ridiculous after all?

nil_desperandum wrote:How is it a ridiculous argument?
It's comparing the costs of a national policing operation in Lancashire to that of apprehending a burglar in Padiham that's ridiculous.

You've already said that it's a national issue that has been laid at our door. It's rather similar to Lancashire Council tax payers having to foot the police bill for Party Conferences if they happen to be at Blackpool.
You may consider it to be a ridiculous argument, but Lancashire Police wouldn't agree.
Lancashire Police are facing unprecedented cuts to their budget. The force has suffered huge cuts in recent years with 850 officers and 450 police staff losing their jobs since austerity began. It has so far made £78.7m of annual savings – with another £40m to be saved by 2020, but policing the fracking sites is costing them an estimated £450,000 each month.
In the circumstances the police have asked the Home Office to foot the bill. The HO have refused to intervene. However, the "good" news for Council tax payers is that once the cost exceeds £2.6 million - fast approaching - the Home Office have to pick up the bill.
So perhaps my point isn't so ridiculous after all?

Yes, it is. If the folk of Lancashire want to p1ss away their own money on this, let them.

He's called Sajid Javid.

thatdberight wrote:Yes, it is. If the folk of Lancashire want to p1ss away their own money on this, let them.

Where are you even from? Brighton?

It's clearly not an issue that even slightly effects you, whether it be environmental impact, tremors or funding a security operation.
Or are you employed by the exploration company?

thatdberight wrote:Yes, it is. If the folk of Lancashire want to p1ss away their own money on this, let them.

I don't understand where you are coming from. How are we p***ing away our money?
Scenario:
Fracking was given the green light in Lancashire by the Nat Govt. contrary to County Council decision,
Fracking can't go ahead in Lancashire unless Cuadrilla can build a "plant", service it etc.
Cuadrilla can't go ahead if their progress is continuously obstructed by protesters who have descended on the site from all over the country.
Police, have a legal responsibility, and are called in to restrict the activities of protesters, and ensure that cuadrilla can go ahead.
Police have to bring in resources from all over the County and beyond.
Lancashire Police have to fund this.
Lancashire Council tax payers foot the bill (until it reaches £2.6 billion)
Winners: Cuadrilla and govt.
Losers: Those who are paying the police bill (i.e. the good folk of Lancashire inc pensioners, the disabled, and other low income families)
So in what sense are we p***ing our own money away?

As a (genuine) matter of interest when did Lancashire vote No to fracking?

Its about as unpopular as its possible to be.

Even theresa May is more popular

AlargeClaret wrote:As a (genuine) matter of interest when did Lancashire vote No to fracking?

Lancashire County Council decision in June 2015 following a 2 year review /consultation.

mybloodisclaret wrote:Where are you even from? Brighton?

It's clearly not an issue that even slightly effects you, whether it be environmental impact, tremors or funding a security operation.
Or are you employed by the exploration company?

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Yes. Everybody who has a view contrary to yours is some sort of plant operating on behalf of the American miltary-industrial complex. You've rumbled me so I'm out of this.

I've only questioned you, and I've not stated my view. So climb down off your grammar correcting high horse.

mybloodisclaret wrote:I've only questioned you, and I've not stated my view. So climb down off your grammar correcting high horse.

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The audacity of the PNRAG spokesperson is staggering talking about the stress and disruption caused as though it's down to Cudrllla not the protestors!