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Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:13 am
by claretblue
De Boer has been frustrated by some of the transfer business and could go before next weekend’s trip to Burnley
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Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:17 am
by evensteadiereddie
I'm hoping he stays until at least then. The last thing we need is the Caretaker/New manager Syndrome.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:19 am
by Dark Cloud
Cue 600 posts on a "Dyche to Palace" thread by midnight!
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:29 am
by ClaretTony
Looks as though he's been told to change his system from 3-4-3 and he wasn't involved in last week's transfers.
Likely replacement is Dougie Freedman, who is already back there, with Roy Hodgson.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:31 am
by Bordeauxclaret
Surely they were aware what system he was going to play before he was appointed?
It can't have come as a shock.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:38 am
by ClaretTony
Bordeauxclaret wrote:Surely they were aware what system he was going to play before he was appointed?
It can't have come as a shock.
Seems there were disagreements over who to appoint between the American owners and chairman Steve Parish.
Palace have had a level of success with Pulis, Pardew & Allardyce so was always a strange decision to go for a manager so far removed from them.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:41 am
by ElectroClaret
They can have who they like in the dugout, think our confidence will be sky high
after the Spurs game. Quietly optimistic about this one.
COYC.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:01 am
by simonclaret
For Dyche looking on, he can only be relieved Palace's apparent interest in the summer never seemed to solidify. I doubt he would take too kindly to being told what system he could or could not play.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:18 am
by elwaclaret
So Palace wanted him to go from Hoofball to winning with total football in three games..... sounds about right. How do these people make the money to buy FC's with no intelligence?
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:21 am
by claretfern
As mentioned above. Didn't the owners discuss with De Boer what plans he has for the playing side?? They hired him ! Okay, they've got off to a bad start but the best thing the Palace hierarchy could do would be to back him, pull together & take the pressure off him; he can't have become a bad Manager overnight. Having said all that, I hope any upward turn in their fortunes will be after our game on Sunday (including our visit to their place)
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:24 am
by Lancasterclaret
The people who decided that he's the man should go if they are considering a change after three games.
You have to give managers time (certainly more than three games!)
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:31 am
by EarbyClaret
It's incredible to think anyone would consider it possible to switch from Palace's previous direct style to the polar opposite 'total football' of De Boer without a dip in results. Bearing in mind that squad was assembled by Pulis, Pardew and Allardyce. The signings they made last week were very much in the style of their past managers.
If true,it seems only a matter of time now, can't see how De Boer can operate under those conditions. Whatever happens this week it's not good preparation for Sunday's game. Hopefully we'll take advantage.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:47 am
by Blackrod
Ridiculous to be under threat after 3 games. They must have known the style he wished to play and that it would take time. Looks like the owners are as clueless as the chicken farmers down the road.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:13 am
by moaninclaret
De boer must know this system dosnt work for most teams, just hope he dosnt change it until after sundays game, he must be given a chance to prove himself, hes not a bad manager at all, so give the lad a few more games
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:30 am
by ten bellies
The signing of Sakho may shore up the defence. I hope he takes time to bed in.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:44 am
by Sidney1st
How long did Dyche get from some people on Burnley forums?
Just for comparisons sake..
3 games is daft, but the clubs are worrying about the money and the probable fact they're poorly run in regards to finances and balancing the books.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:46 am
by South West Claret.
De Boer in I say, as said above we don't want the "new manager" spike do we.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:27 pm
by IanMcL
Must have been a strange job interview.
Perhaps they forgot to tell the recruitment team of the change in style and therefore, players to do the new job!
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:30 pm
by evensteadiereddie
One decent defender will not make much difference on Sunday. I think we'll get a few.
Cabaye's pretty good, mind. We'll have to shut him down but I'm pretty confident about this one.
UTC
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:44 pm
by ecc
"The people who decided that he's the man should go if they are considering a change after three games."
Fully agree, Lancaster.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:51 pm
by Tall Paul
Sakho probably won't be playing on Sunday, he's not in full training yet after his injury last season.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:02 pm
by evensteadiereddie
Even better.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:23 pm
by tiger76
Blackrod wrote:Ridiculous to be under threat after 3 games. They must have known the style he wished to play and that it would take time. Looks like the owners are as clueless as the chicken farmers down the road.
I think Steve Parish may understand the concept of relegation though hence the panic

Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:27 pm
by scamander
football has to be one of the few industries where recruitment isn't accounted for. Most other business have the senior management and those involved in the decision making accountable if they get an appointment utterly wrong.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:33 pm
by ElectroClaret
scamander wrote:....... if they get an appointment utterly wrong.
The Walker Trust would be prime candidates for a firing squad.

Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:03 pm
by dsr
The Walker Trust didn't get it wrong - they got it so, so right.

Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:05 pm
by claptrappers_union
I can't believe he is on the brink after just 3 games, I know its a cliche but I don't understand how anyone can make their mark after just 3 games... even if a footballing novice was given the role to hold fort, you'd expect more support. There must be something going on behind the scenes.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:10 pm
by Vegas Claret
I'm hoping the squad don't like him and knowing the situation put in an abject performance to see him off. Pretty much the same thing happened at Inter
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:02 pm
by Caernarfon_Claret
As far as I know it was Steve Parish who persuaded The Americans to go for de Boer instead of Dyche
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:15 pm
by ClaretEngineer
Caernarfon_Claret wrote:As far as I know it was Steve Parish who persuaded The Americans to go for de Boer instead of Dyche
So what you're saying is the normally clueless Americans actually had a clue?
The world is about to implode.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:55 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
Dont understand why De Boer is getting flak. Sure he is the manager. But whats wrong with wanting to change the style or system. Especially from someone who has played and managed at all levels at ajax.
With timr he could and would be a good appointment.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:24 pm
by Shore claret
I watched the sky program with the football journalists at the weekend and they were pretty much convinced he was going if palace lose against us.
You have to wonder what would happen behind the scenes if he does get sacked.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:41 pm
by Chester Perry
looking dodgy for him as they make a late change to the pre-match presser to Friday afternoon from tomorrow morning
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that or they have just realised they are not playing until Sunday - hopefully Palace board have this attitude
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Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:22 am
by Phoenixknight
I see our overseas agents programme is working well.
Agent De Boer is very enthusiastic however he may consider trying to win a game here and there after this weekend and maybe follow the example of agent Bilic.
Make yourself popular before imploding.
I feel agent Kean and of course commander (2 face double agent) horseface really laid the foundations for our success for years to come.
We have of course many agents in the field....but if I said any more I would need to extend the patio !!!!.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:31 pm
by Sutton-Claret
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/201 ... -save-job/
Looks like Frank has been given one more chance - but it sounds like he's being forced to change his system.
Not sure if this is good or bad for us. If the players are allowed to revert back to their preferred system there's an incentive to perform - or - it could go majorly teets up as the players won't have gelled in time.
There's pressure on Burnley to get what looks like an easy 3 points, however I'm confident Frank De Boer will be out by Monday lunchtime.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:35 pm
by dsr
As long as the players want him out, then we're OK.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:27 pm
by aggi
From F365
Alan Pardew spent close to £100m in 23 months in charge. Allardyce recruited four players in January on permanent deals for around £35m. Parish spoke of long-termism and then allowed De Boer to bring in two loan players, a 20-year-old defender for £8m and made the permanent signing of a defender who had already been at the club on loan under De Boer’s predecessor.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:33 pm
by ClaretTony
I've never quite got it but a lot of clubs do it, and so did we a few years ago, when players are brought in by others at the club and not the manager. That's certainly the case with Sakho last week at Palace.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:42 pm
by Hipper
I don't like all this attention to our match on Sunday as a 'Palace must win' game.
I haven't seen Palace at all on TV but looking at the match reports of their three games it doesn't look like they are in disarray. Their performance at Liverpool seems to have been good.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:50 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
1-1 i suspect
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:55 pm
by Spijed
ClaretTony wrote:I've never quite got it but a lot of clubs do it, and so did we a few years ago, when players are brought in by others at the club and not the manager.
Who was in charge of recruiting players for us?
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:23 pm
by aggi
ClaretTony wrote:I've never quite got it but a lot of clubs do it, and so did we a few years ago, when players are brought in by others at the club and not the manager. That's certainly the case with Sakho last week at Palace.
I can see the sense of it at some clubs, Southampton for instance where there is a clear strategy and coaches are recruited to fit into the existing framework. It's a far better policy to have players that can continue when a new manager comes in rather than each manager wanting to stamp their brand and costing millions in fees.
At one point Burnley appeared to have a fairly clear policy of buying young players with a good, potential resale value and I assume this strategy was dictated by the board (it covered a number of managers).
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:24 pm
by ClaretTony
Spijed wrote:Who was in charge of recruiting players for us?
Brendan Flood signed some players. Papabendi has confirmed it in previous posts on the two boards. I knew about Fox & Cort but he said a couple of weeks ago that he also brought in Nimani.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:42 pm
by South West Claret.
de Boer in please before Sunday's game, then they can do what they like with him after that

Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:49 pm
by Spijed
ClaretTony wrote:Brendan Flood signed some players. Papabendi has confirmed it in previous posts on the two boards. I knew about Fox & Cort but he said a couple of weeks ago that he also brought in Nimani.
When you think about it it's a bit worrying that we allowed someone like Brendan Flood to be involved when he had little or no knowledge of how football works.
You can understand an experienced coach.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:58 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
In floods defence (no pun intended) we are where we are today thanks to him helping push us onto the next level with his investments. Some players work out others dont. Without the likes of Paterson, Eagles, Blake etc i doubt we would be where we are today.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:17 pm
by HatfieldClaret
Was it not Brendan Flood that bought Ade Akinbiyi for us.
There's a thank you for a start.
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:52 pm
by ClaretTony
HatfieldClaret wrote:Was it not Brendan Flood that bought Ade Akinbiyi for us.
There's a thank you for a start.
Second time - he wasn't around when we signed Ade from Stoke
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:02 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
Good signing both times. Wasnt as good the second but still played a vital part and also helped develop Rodriguez massively I believe!
Re: Frank de Boer fears his fate is already sealed
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:07 pm
by HatfieldClaret
Correct Tony, but one of those signings that the fans enjoyed.