Exhaust smoking

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:01 pm

And car shaking at a standstill.

2004 corsa.

Any ideas?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:02 pm

Id smoke if I had to travel everywhere with you.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:03 pm

Have you just fuelled up?

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:16 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Id smoke if I had to travel everywhere with you.

Marney&Mee · Post by **Marney&Mee** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:20 pm

Indicators ok?

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:21 pm

It's buggered?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:22 pm

Karma

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:25 pm

Transmission fluid? It depends how dark the smoke is, so give us a clue.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:26 pm

Head gasket?

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:40 pm

What colour smoke?

Black and sooty - overfuelling / poor combustion if it's a diesel

White smoke - water vapour in the exhaust gas / head gasket.

Blue smoke - oil entering the combustion chamber - worn piston rings / valve stem seals.

Have you checked under the oil cap for "mayo" - emulsified oil and water mixture?

Have you checked the coolant reservoir for pressurisation?

Could also be that you have a cylinder down (if it's a petrol) and it's running on three. Now this could be because coil or plug lead has gone or it could be because the gasket has blown.

Of course it could be something simple.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:45 pm

cutsy123 wrote: Any ideas?

Yes.

It involves Jenna Coleman, a skipping rope and bucket of ice cream.

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:03 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Yes.

It involves Jenna Coleman, a skipping rope and bucket of ice cream.

Back to my earlier suggestion?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:06 pm

john'sroseyspecs wrote:Back to my earlier suggestion?

A bit too filthy for me John, even if it did make me chuckle.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:08 pm

It be some chap low life stuck something up your exhaust pipe?

yorkyclaret · Post by **yorkyclaret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:13 pm

Are you sure it's smoke not steam? When was its last service? Is the engine making a knocking sound or does it sound OK?

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:28 pm

Diesel or petrol?

COYC73 · Post by **COYC73** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:44 am

Could be your HT leads as well......

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:52 am

What size engine is it?. Can you here a chain like rattle from the engine bay?

Edit to say, I think you can check for fault codes on the corsa c without plugging it into a diagnostic machine. Here's a link that explains the procedure

http://www.corsa-c.co.uk/forum/showthre ... ics/134139" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:19 am

Well the op is about as vague as they can be with that one

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:23 am

Sorry posted a bit late

White smoke/steam could be moisture. Having to keep filling coolant tank with water every other day so could be a leak.

Car shakes at a stand still and the steam/smoke chugs out.

Recently changed all 4 spark plugs and had a new water tank fitted. Oil level good but il check for mayo this morning under oil cap

Thing is its hit n miss. Some mornings fine but then some evenings it chugs and smokes

Takin it garage at dinner. Hope its not gasket.

Runs well for me its my a to b work car. I use the other at wkends

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:24 am

Damo wrote:What size engine is it?. Can you here a chain like rattle from the engine bay?

Edit to say, I think you can check for fault codes on the corsa c without plugging it into a diagnostic machine. Here's a link that explains the procedure

http://www.corsa-c.co.uk/forum/showthre ... ics/134139" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1.2 04 plate

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:25 am

Caballo wrote:Have you just fuelled up?

Filled up a few days ago full tank

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:26 am

yorkyclaret wrote:Are you sure it's smoke not steam? When was its last service? Is the engine making a knocking sound or does it sound OK?

Jus shakes a bit at a standstill. Its due for MOT in coupla weeks been a yr or so

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:26 am

BennyD wrote:Diesel or petrol?

Petrol

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:49 am

ClaretEngineer wrote:What colour smoke?

Black and sooty - overfuelling / poor combustion if it's a diesel

White smoke - water vapour in the exhaust gas / head gasket.

Blue smoke - oil entering the combustion chamber - worn piston rings / valve stem seals.

Have you checked under the oil cap for "mayo" - emulsified oil and water mixture?

Have you checked the coolant reservoir for pressurisation?

Could also be that you have a cylinder down (if it's a petrol) and it's running on three. Now this could be because coil or plug lead has gone or it could be because the gasket has blown.

Of course it could be something simple.

I can confirm there IS mayo type brown substance under oil cap. What does that mean.

Took a couple of efforts to start but when it did no shaking this morning. Had to refill coolant again tho

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:52 am

Potentially it's the head gasket, BUT some cars do just gather the mayo type brown stuff by the Oil Filler cap with age.

Keep an eye on the coolant level, if it drops again then it could well be the head gasket is knackered, but you'd need someone to have a proper look to confirm it.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:26 am

cutsy123 wrote: 2004 corsa.

Only 13 and smoking already.... kids these days!

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:59 am

Sidney1st wrote:Potentially it's the head gasket, BUT some cars do just gather the mayo type brown stuff by the Oil Filler cap with age.

Keep an eye on the coolant level, if it drops again then it could well be the head gasket is knackered, but you'd need someone to have a proper look to confirm it.

Very true.

If its only a thin film its often just condensation build up underneath the rocker cover.

You might get away with dropping a dog turd* in the coolant to seal up the gasket.

*not an actual dog turd - Holts Radseal or similar.

I love gasket jobs.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:19 am

Put you heaters on is it blowing cold even on max? If so along with oily smoke suggests the cooling system - leaking radiator - check for leaks under the car as you fill the water. The engine will substitute water for oil as a coolant when there is no water- but it needs fixing, nothing surer than the head gasket will blow if you keep running it like that. So get it fixed, it won't be far from a write off if that blows as it will take half your engine out when it blows.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:22 am

Check that Richard Chaplaw hasn't put a banana down the pipe.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:36 am

Sidney1st wrote:Potentially it's the head gasket, BUT some cars do just gather the mayo type brown stuff by the Oil Filler cap with age.

Keep an eye on the coolant level, if it drops again then it could well be the head gasket is knackered, but you'd need someone to have a proper look to confirm it.

Coolant is dropping every other day. Ive left it at garage this morning for a proper look. I only do about 10 miles a day too

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:38 am

joey13 wrote:Check that Richard Chaplaw hasn't put a banana down the pipe.

Check that you know how to spell his name first haha

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:39 am

elwaclaret wrote:Put you heaters on is it blowing cold even on max? If so along with oily smoke suggests the cooling system - leaking radiator - check for leaks under the car as you fill the water. The engine will substitute water for oil as a coolant when there is no water- but it needs fixing, nothing surer than the head gasket will blow if you keep running it like that. So get it fixed, it won't be far from a write off if that blows as it will take half your engine out when it blows.

Its with my mate to have a look at today in his garage. See what he says

There was a leak previously a few wks ago and i changed the water pump. Could it be that?

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:59 am

If you've just filled up with petrol, the good news is you've probably doubled the value of the car.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:30 am

cutsy123 wrote:And car shaking at a standstill.

2004 corsa.

Any ideas?

I'm really good at cars. First thing you need to do is turn the car on and then open the lid at the front. Poke around with something like a stick and figure out if anything is loose. Do this for about half an hour until you're sure nothing is loose. Now open the garage door and ask a neighbour for help.

yorkyclaret · Post by **yorkyclaret** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:06 pm

You should hope it is the gasket, anything else would be worse.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:12 pm

cutsy123 wrote:And car shaking at a standstill.

2004 corsa.

Any ideas?

Give it a Cuddle it must be scared of all them big trucks.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:46 pm

cutsy123 wrote:Its with my mate to have a look at today in his garage. See what he says

There was a leak previously a few wks ago and i changed the water pump. Could it be that?

It could be leaking from anywhere in the cooling system - the pump would most likely show itself when the car is running, but for me the most likely first stop would be a hole in the radiator. A quick top up and look under the car will tell you if its the radiator or one of the lines that's split. While water pumps can themselves be a leak, normally I wouldn't expect a pump fault to keep emptying your coolant tank - it more often leads to engine overheating, because its not pumping it around the system. Its also a lot harder to detect a pump - usually the way you get to the bottom of a faulty/temperamental pump by ruling everything else out. Or at least that's how it used to be with all the diagnostic kit these days, it could well be different.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:48 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Yes.

It involves Jenna Coleman, a skipping rope and bucket of ice cream.

Did someone say Jenna Coleman?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Did someone say Jenna Coleman?

I'm more interested in the bucket of ice cream, had enough of precocious women in my life

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:58 pm

elwaclaret wrote:It could be leaking from anywhere in the cooling system - the pump would most likely show itself when the car is running, but for me the most likely first stop would be a hole in the radiator. A quick top up and look under the car will tell you if its the radiator or one of the lines that's split. While water pumps can themselves be a leak, normally I wouldn't expect a pump fault to keep emptying your coolant tank - it more often leads to engine overheating, because its not pumping it around the system. Its also a lot harder to detect a pump - usually the way you get to the bottom of a faulty/temperamental pump by ruling everything else out. Or at least that's how it used to be with all the diagnostic kit these days, it could well be different.

Water pumps are a common fault on Mini's (along with the thermostat housing)

I chased coolant pressurisation and leakage around in circles. Never manifested itself at idle or after a decent run. Only decided to lose coolant when I attempted to return the car to its owner. Twice.

Turns out the water was tracking around the pump to the exhaust manifold and evaporating before a it could drip off the car.

I swear I went grey if not bald.

A compression test of the cylinders should confirm if the gasket has gone.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:38 pm

ClaretEngineer wrote:Water pumps are a common fault on Mini's (along with the thermostat housing)

I chased coolant pressurisation and leakage around in circles. Never manifested itself at idle or after a decent run. Only decided to lose coolant when I attempted to return the car to its owner. Twice.

Turns out the water was tracking around the pump to the exhaust manifold and evaporating before a it could drip off the car.

I swear I went grey if not bald.

A compression test of the cylinders should confirm if the gasket has gone.

Add a red food dye to the coolant. Once evaporated, the dye stains should give a good indication as to where the leak may be

Bfcis4me · Post by **Bfcis4me** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:07 pm

I remembery chimney being done and they did a smoke test. Can you do that with a car? Big smoke filled the front room. It wasn't nice and they man left without doing chimne. We ended up being sick from the chimne being blocked.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:21 pm

Bfcis4me wrote:I remembery chimney being done and they did a smoke test. Can you do that with a car? Big smoke filled the front room. It wasn't nice and they man left without doing chimne. We ended up being sick from the chimne being blocked.

With a chimney its the same principle - by stationing people by the stackon different levels (lounge / bedroom / attic. You will usually be given an indication of where the blockage is on the stack (if there is one)- you can't avoid the smoke unfortunately, but sounds like you had a chancer if he just left you with it

With the car you are looking for similar signs - or any engineering usually, it wont fix anything but half the job is pinpointing where and what the problem is.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:28 pm

Ask any 'engineer'

If you can't fix it with a hammer.... it's broken.

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:30 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:Ask any 'engineer'

If you can't fix it with a hammer.... it's broken.

OH! SHOTS FIRED!

MarkGreen · Post by **MarkGreen** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:32 pm

cutsy123 wrote:And car shaking at a standstill.

2004 corsa.

Any ideas?

Time of the month? Mine also has the exact same issue (2007 1.2 Corsa)

Had mine diagnosed as the coil pack on its way out, quoted £120 to replace with new spark plugs.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:50 pm

Timing chain and gasket

Mot due next week too

RIP CORSA

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:04 pm

Ouch that's expensive.