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Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:01 pm
by cutsy123
And car shaking at a standstill.

2004 corsa.

Any ideas?

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:02 pm
by cricketfieldclarets
Id smoke if I had to travel everywhere with you.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:03 pm
by Caballo
Have you just fuelled up?

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:16 pm
by South West Claret.
cricketfieldclarets wrote:Id smoke if I had to travel everywhere with you.
:)

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:20 pm
by Marney&Mee
Indicators ok?

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:21 pm
by john'sroseyspecs
It's buggered?

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:22 pm
by tim_noone
Karma

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:25 pm
by FactualFrank
Transmission fluid? It depends how dark the smoke is, so give us a clue.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:26 pm
by Shore claret
Head gasket?

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:40 pm
by ClaretEngineer
What colour smoke?

Black and sooty - overfuelling / poor combustion if it's a diesel

White smoke - water vapour in the exhaust gas / head gasket.

Blue smoke - oil entering the combustion chamber - worn piston rings / valve stem seals.

Have you checked under the oil cap for "mayo" - emulsified oil and water mixture?

Have you checked the coolant reservoir for pressurisation?

Could also be that you have a cylinder down (if it's a petrol) and it's running on three. Now this could be because coil or plug lead has gone or it could be because the gasket has blown.

Of course it could be something simple.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:45 pm
by Bin Ont Turf
cutsy123 wrote: Any ideas?
Yes.

It involves Jenna Coleman, a skipping rope and bucket of ice cream.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:03 pm
by john'sroseyspecs
Bin Ont Turf wrote:Yes.

It involves Jenna Coleman, a skipping rope and bucket of ice cream.
Back to my earlier suggestion?

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:06 pm
by Bin Ont Turf
john'sroseyspecs wrote:Back to my earlier suggestion?
A bit too filthy for me John, even if it did make me chuckle. :)

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:08 pm
by tim_noone
It be some chap low life stuck something up your exhaust pipe?

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:13 pm
by yorkyclaret
Are you sure it's smoke not steam? When was its last service? Is the engine making a knocking sound or does it sound OK?

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:28 pm
by BennyD
Diesel or petrol?

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:44 am
by COYC73
Could be your HT leads as well......

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:52 am
by Damo
What size engine is it?. Can you here a chain like rattle from the engine bay?

Edit to say, I think you can check for fault codes on the corsa c without plugging it into a diagnostic machine. Here's a link that explains the procedure

http://www.corsa-c.co.uk/forum/showthre ... ics/134139" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:19 am
by Sidney1st
Well the op is about as vague as they can be with that one :lol:

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:23 am
by cutsy123
Sorry posted a bit late

White smoke/steam could be moisture. Having to keep filling coolant tank with water every other day so could be a leak.

Car shakes at a stand still and the steam/smoke chugs out.

Recently changed all 4 spark plugs and had a new water tank fitted. Oil level good but il check for mayo this morning under oil cap

Thing is its hit n miss. Some mornings fine but then some evenings it chugs and smokes

Takin it garage at dinner. Hope its not gasket.

Runs well for me its my a to b work car. I use the other at wkends

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:24 am
by cutsy123
Damo wrote:What size engine is it?. Can you here a chain like rattle from the engine bay?

Edit to say, I think you can check for fault codes on the corsa c without plugging it into a diagnostic machine. Here's a link that explains the procedure

http://www.corsa-c.co.uk/forum/showthre ... ics/134139" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1.2 04 plate

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:25 am
by cutsy123
Caballo wrote:Have you just fuelled up?
Filled up a few days ago full tank

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:26 am
by cutsy123
yorkyclaret wrote:Are you sure it's smoke not steam? When was its last service? Is the engine making a knocking sound or does it sound OK?
Jus shakes a bit at a standstill. Its due for MOT in coupla weeks been a yr or so

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:26 am
by cutsy123
BennyD wrote:Diesel or petrol?
Petrol

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:49 am
by cutsy123
ClaretEngineer wrote:What colour smoke?

Black and sooty - overfuelling / poor combustion if it's a diesel

White smoke - water vapour in the exhaust gas / head gasket.

Blue smoke - oil entering the combustion chamber - worn piston rings / valve stem seals.

Have you checked under the oil cap for "mayo" - emulsified oil and water mixture?

Have you checked the coolant reservoir for pressurisation?

Could also be that you have a cylinder down (if it's a petrol) and it's running on three. Now this could be because coil or plug lead has gone or it could be because the gasket has blown.

Of course it could be something simple.
I can confirm there IS mayo type brown substance under oil cap. What does that mean.

Took a couple of efforts to start but when it did no shaking this morning. Had to refill coolant again tho

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:52 am
by Sidney1st
Potentially it's the head gasket, BUT some cars do just gather the mayo type brown stuff by the Oil Filler cap with age.

Keep an eye on the coolant level, if it drops again then it could well be the head gasket is knackered, but you'd need someone to have a proper look to confirm it.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:26 am
by starting_11
cutsy123 wrote: 2004 corsa.
Only 13 and smoking already.... kids these days!

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:59 am
by ClaretEngineer
Sidney1st wrote:Potentially it's the head gasket, BUT some cars do just gather the mayo type brown stuff by the Oil Filler cap with age.

Keep an eye on the coolant level, if it drops again then it could well be the head gasket is knackered, but you'd need someone to have a proper look to confirm it.
Very true.

If its only a thin film its often just condensation build up underneath the rocker cover.

You might get away with dropping a dog turd* in the coolant to seal up the gasket.

*not an actual dog turd - Holts Radseal or similar.

I love gasket jobs.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:19 am
by elwaclaret
Put you heaters on is it blowing cold even on max? If so along with oily smoke suggests the cooling system - leaking radiator - check for leaks under the car as you fill the water. The engine will substitute water for oil as a coolant when there is no water- but it needs fixing, nothing surer than the head gasket will blow if you keep running it like that. So get it fixed, it won't be far from a write off if that blows as it will take half your engine out when it blows.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:22 am
by joey13
Check that Richard Chaplaw hasn't put a banana down the pipe.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:36 am
by cutsy123
Sidney1st wrote:Potentially it's the head gasket, BUT some cars do just gather the mayo type brown stuff by the Oil Filler cap with age.

Keep an eye on the coolant level, if it drops again then it could well be the head gasket is knackered, but you'd need someone to have a proper look to confirm it.
Coolant is dropping every other day. Ive left it at garage this morning for a proper look. I only do about 10 miles a day too

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:38 am
by cutsy123
joey13 wrote:Check that Richard Chaplaw hasn't put a banana down the pipe.
Check that you know how to spell his name first haha

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:39 am
by cutsy123
elwaclaret wrote:Put you heaters on is it blowing cold even on max? If so along with oily smoke suggests the cooling system - leaking radiator - check for leaks under the car as you fill the water. The engine will substitute water for oil as a coolant when there is no water- but it needs fixing, nothing surer than the head gasket will blow if you keep running it like that. So get it fixed, it won't be far from a write off if that blows as it will take half your engine out when it blows.
Its with my mate to have a look at today in his garage. See what he says

There was a leak previously a few wks ago and i changed the water pump. Could it be that?

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:59 am
by Juan Tanamera
If you've just filled up with petrol, the good news is you've probably doubled the value of the car. :D

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:30 am
by Imploding Turtle
cutsy123 wrote:And car shaking at a standstill.

2004 corsa.

Any ideas?

I'm really good at cars. First thing you need to do is turn the car on and then open the lid at the front. Poke around with something like a stick and figure out if anything is loose. Do this for about half an hour until you're sure nothing is loose. Now open the garage door and ask a neighbour for help.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:06 pm
by yorkyclaret
You should hope it is the gasket, anything else would be worse.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:12 pm
by CnBtruntru
cutsy123 wrote:And car shaking at a standstill.

2004 corsa.

Any ideas?
Give it a Cuddle it must be scared of all them big trucks.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:46 pm
by elwaclaret
cutsy123 wrote:Its with my mate to have a look at today in his garage. See what he says

There was a leak previously a few wks ago and i changed the water pump. Could it be that?
It could be leaking from anywhere in the cooling system - the pump would most likely show itself when the car is running, but for me the most likely first stop would be a hole in the radiator. A quick top up and look under the car will tell you if its the radiator or one of the lines that's split. While water pumps can themselves be a leak, normally I wouldn't expect a pump fault to keep emptying your coolant tank - it more often leads to engine overheating, because its not pumping it around the system. Its also a lot harder to detect a pump - usually the way you get to the bottom of a faulty/temperamental pump by ruling everything else out. Or at least that's how it used to be with all the diagnostic kit these days, it could well be different.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:48 pm
by Imploding Turtle
Bin Ont Turf wrote:Yes.

It involves Jenna Coleman, a skipping rope and bucket of ice cream.

Did someone say Jenna Coleman?

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Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:51 pm
by Rick_Muller
Imploding Turtle wrote:Did someone say Jenna Coleman?

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I'm more interested in the bucket of ice cream, had enough of precocious women in my life

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:58 pm
by ClaretEngineer
elwaclaret wrote:It could be leaking from anywhere in the cooling system - the pump would most likely show itself when the car is running, but for me the most likely first stop would be a hole in the radiator. A quick top up and look under the car will tell you if its the radiator or one of the lines that's split. While water pumps can themselves be a leak, normally I wouldn't expect a pump fault to keep emptying your coolant tank - it more often leads to engine overheating, because its not pumping it around the system. Its also a lot harder to detect a pump - usually the way you get to the bottom of a faulty/temperamental pump by ruling everything else out. Or at least that's how it used to be with all the diagnostic kit these days, it could well be different.
Water pumps are a common fault on Mini's (along with the thermostat housing)

I chased coolant pressurisation and leakage around in circles. Never manifested itself at idle or after a decent run. Only decided to lose coolant when I attempted to return the car to its owner. Twice.

Turns out the water was tracking around the pump to the exhaust manifold and evaporating before a it could drip off the car.

I swear I went grey if not bald.

A compression test of the cylinders should confirm if the gasket has gone.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:38 pm
by Damo
ClaretEngineer wrote:Water pumps are a common fault on Mini's (along with the thermostat housing)

I chased coolant pressurisation and leakage around in circles. Never manifested itself at idle or after a decent run. Only decided to lose coolant when I attempted to return the car to its owner. Twice.

Turns out the water was tracking around the pump to the exhaust manifold and evaporating before a it could drip off the car.

I swear I went grey if not bald.

A compression test of the cylinders should confirm if the gasket has gone.
Add a red food dye to the coolant. Once evaporated, the dye stains should give a good indication as to where the leak may be

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:07 pm
by Bfcis4me
I remembery chimney being done and they did a smoke test. Can you do that with a car? Big smoke filled the front room. It wasn't nice and they man left without doing chimne. We ended up being sick from the chimne being blocked.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:21 pm
by elwaclaret
Bfcis4me wrote:I remembery chimney being done and they did a smoke test. Can you do that with a car? Big smoke filled the front room. It wasn't nice and they man left without doing chimne. We ended up being sick from the chimne being blocked.
With a chimney its the same principle - by stationing people by the stackon different levels (lounge / bedroom / attic. You will usually be given an indication of where the blockage is on the stack (if there is one)- you can't avoid the smoke unfortunately, but sounds like you had a chancer if he just left you with it :o

With the car you are looking for similar signs - or any engineering usually, it wont fix anything but half the job is pinpointing where and what the problem is.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:28 pm
by HatfieldClaret
Ask any 'engineer'

:(

If you can't fix it with a hammer.... it's broken.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:30 pm
by ClaretEngineer
HatfieldClaret wrote:Ask any 'engineer'

:(

If you can't fix it with a hammer.... it's broken.
OH! SHOTS FIRED!

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:32 pm
by MarkGreen
cutsy123 wrote:And car shaking at a standstill.

2004 corsa.

Any ideas?
Time of the month? Mine also has the exact same issue (2007 1.2 Corsa)

Had mine diagnosed as the coil pack on its way out, quoted £120 to replace with new spark plugs.

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:50 pm
by cutsy123
Timing chain and gasket

Mot due next week too

RIP CORSA

Re: Exhaust smoking

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:04 pm
by Sidney1st
Ouch that's expensive.