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Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:27 pm
by Quickenthetempo
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Here they are celebrating with our inflatable trophy from Charlton.

Congratulations to them

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:31 pm
by Marney&Mee
Are they the first team of professionals to win it?

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:36 pm
by Quickenthetempo
Marney&Mee wrote:Are they the first team of professionals to win it?
I don't think so, Rammy and Burnley have won titles recently.

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:37 pm
by Funkydrummer
Hope they are proud of themselves - I, for one, find it very distasteful.

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:46 pm
by 100percentclaret
From LL website
"However a protest against Clitheroe is still pending meaning that title celebrations will have to be on hold for the time being"

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:47 pm
by Quickenthetempo
Funkydrummer wrote:Hope they are proud of themselves - I, for one, find it very distasteful.
It's only based on rumours so far.

Leaving Kurt out of the side for title winning games is very shoddy by the Lancs league. Innocent until proven guilty in this country.

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:23 pm
by DavidFishwicksDad
What happens if they are found guilty for paying their players utc

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:35 pm
by Quickenthetempo
DavidFishwicksDad wrote:What happens if they are found guilty for paying their players utc
They will probably apply to join the Liverpool league. It's an open league and a step up in quality for them.

In terms of punishment 12 point fine maybe? Expulsion would be harsh. I think a disciplinary committee would decide and then maybe the clubs vote on it.

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:46 pm
by DavidFishwicksDad
How can clubs vote on it when other clubs are paying players as well utc

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:04 pm
by Quickenthetempo
DavidFishwicksDad wrote:How can clubs vote on it when other clubs are paying players as well utc
That's what happens in the Ribb league, as the league belongs to the clubs.

Others on here will know more about how the Lancs league do it.

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:59 pm
by RocketLawnChair
Quickenthetempo wrote:It's only based on rumours so far.

Leaving Kurt out of the side for title winning games is very shoddy by the Lancs league. Innocent until proven guilty in this country.
Clitheroe suspended the player not the league.

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:05 pm
by bfcmik
Congratulations to them.

Whether they, or any other clubs, have broken the rules I don't know and whether any rule breaking was sufficient to have the title taken from them remains to be seen. But they have been the best team in the LL this season.

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:14 pm
by sotw
Quickenthetempo » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:36 pm

Marney&Mee wrote:
Are they the first team of professionals to win it?

I don't think so, Rammy and Burnley have won titles recently.

Why have you mentioned Ramsbottom CC . Are you inferring that they pay players? Can you say which ones other than the Pro and the official coach (Jon Fielding) which has been sanctioned by the league. The coaching position is open to all other clubs to make use of and to point out that he is a Rammy lad as well.

I await your response.

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:37 pm
by DavidFishwicksDad
So what you are saying rammy have two pros that Can not be good for cricket the league should stop that rule straight away pay one pro then nobody else then as the saying goes if theys grass on wicket let's play cricket utc

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:39 pm
by Quickenthetempo
RocketLawnChair wrote:Clitheroe suspended the player not the league.
According to the Telegraph which is what I'm going off, the league have advised Clitheroe not to play him which we all know what that means.

In regards to Rammy- Paying players that coach or groundstaff is all the same to me.

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:55 pm
by sotw
So what you are saying rammy have two pros that Can not be good for cricket the league should stop that rule straight away pay one pro then nobody else then as the saying goes if theys grass on wicket let's play cricket utc

If the league stop it that's fine. As the league rules stand he can be paid as a coach and play for RCC. That applies to every club in the league. For someone to say, or insinuate, that Ramsbottom are acting in an underhand way is totally wrong. At least Ramsbottom are open about it and sought permission from the league.

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:03 pm
by Andreshotboots
Problem the new league champs have I think is one player allegedly has been in a conversation saying how much he was On, and other players in the side. Said player didn't realise a league official was in earshot

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:13 pm
by Quickenthetempo
sotw wrote:So what you are saying rammy have two pros that Can not be good for cricket the league should stop that rule straight away pay one pro then nobody else then as the saying goes if theys grass on wicket let's play cricket utc

If the league stop it that's fine. As the league rules stand he can be paid as a coach and play for RCC. That applies to every club in the league. For someone to say, or insinuate, that Ramsbottom are acting in an underhand way is totally wrong. At least Ramsbottom are open about it and sought permission from the league.
For the record it doesn't bother me who gets paid. I watch footballers who earn obscene amounts of money, I shouldn't begrudge working class lads picking up a few extra quid. The equivalent football teams like Padiham and Rammy pay everyone like £100 a week.

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:16 pm
by ralph
No they don't .. I understand the point you are making but you need to revise the figures ;)

The end of the FA Amateur Cup and the introduction of the Vase came about during the attempt by the FA to address the problem of blatant shamateurism in non league football ...

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:26 pm
by Quickenthetempo
ralph wrote:No they don't .. I understand the point you are making but you need to revise the figures ;)

The end of the FA Amateur Cup and the introduction of the Vase came about during the attempt by the FA to address the problem of blatant shamateurism in non league football ...
It was a guess as I have no access to any football clubs figures.

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:33 pm
by ralph
They do vary a lot but the point is they are allowed to as they don't have the pro/amateur distinction .. some pay nothing .. some expenses ... some wages ...one in North Wales pays bigger wages than a certain League club within a few miles of Turf Moor ...

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:58 pm
by Lord Rothbury
Clitheroe joined the league knowing that paying players ,other than the pro ,was outside the rules .Now questions are being asked as to whether they have chosen to ignore that rule .
If these allegations are found to be proven then they have knowingly cheated. Lets hope for the integrity of the league that this comes to a quick and satisfactory conclusion .
No doubt suspicions will also be raised against other clubs .

Re: Clitheroe are Lancs league champions

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:12 pm
by Leisure
[quote="Lord Rothbury"]Clitheroe joined the league knowing that paying players ,other than the pro ,was outside the rules .Now questions are being asked as to whether they have chosen to ignore that rule .
If these allegations are found to be proven then they have knowingly cheated. Lets hope for the integrity of the league that this comes to a quick and satisfactory conclusion .
No doubt suspicions will also be raised against other clubs .[/quote

Any update on the allegations?