Cancelling flights owing to pilots on holiday????

Norwegian Airlines say they have recruited 150 Ryanair pilots this year! So...lack of boots in the sky for Ryanair.

Passengers asked to be co-pilots next, when they choose their seat!

They are a fully CAA compliant airline with a modern fleet and an impeccable safety record.

As for their business model, if you choose to book with them, expect to get what you pay for.

FYI - The Mick O'Leary bashing is about as original and interesting as Donald Trump bashing.

It's in their terms and conditions. I'd rather walk than fly with that Irish ***** airline

I'm flying with them on Saturday. Never had a problem.

I like Ryanair, use them all the time to get home and back to France for around 30 quid, nice air stewards too. Easyjet can go swivel though, they once shafted me at the boarding gate, I'll never fly with that shower for as long as I live.

Don't like O'Leary.

My next door neighbours grandson has just swapped from Ryanair to Norwegian. He said Ryanair treated them like crap.

Happy as Larry now.

O'Leary is reaping what he sowed years ago. He's got loads of aircraft but can't recruit, train and retain pilots fast enough to crew them. It would appear the boys are just using Ryanair as a (very hot) stepping stone for anywhere that treats them better.

HatfieldClaret wrote:Don't like O'Leary.

My next door neighbours grandson has just swapped from Ryanair to Norwegian. He said Ryanair treated them like crap.

Happy as Larry now.

I can believe every word of that quote .

This is O'Leary's Gerald Ratner moment. The chickens are coming home to roost and longer term I think there will be more fragmentation of the budget airline sector as new challengers emerge. I think it is inevitable there will be some casualties. Hopefully the cock sure tosser will be one of them.

Never used them and never will.

I used Ryanair once, a decade ago, to fly from Manchester to Dublin. Although the flight was only 40 minutes, the experience was awful.
I have not used them since.

starting_11 wrote:As for their business model, if you choose to book with them, expect to get what you pay for.

What, like a flight?

Hundreds of flights with them, never had a problem. A lot of the bad headlines are just paper talk and not what you find at the gate.
We have 6 flights in the next month but thankfully haven't been affected.
This situation is outrageous though and totally down to bad management.

You get what you pay for and I have had some very cheap flights over the years. However the man himself has been deliberately provocative over the years. A number of my Irish mates consider him an embarrassment. And that's putting it politely. I would still use them though.

You get what you pay for and I have had some very cheap flights over the years. However the man himself has been deliberately provocative over the years. A number of my Irish mates consider him an embarrassment. And that's putting it politely. I would still use them though.

I often repeat myself. It's my age.

Also been pretty lucky with Ryanair, they are pretty much always on time and I just flew back from Ireland with them at the weekend, so got away with it, but I will avoid them now just because it's not worth the hassle of having to scrat around to find replacements. I've been on six Easyjet flights in the past two months. Five out of the six were delayed, four of which were by two to three hours. So they are another that I'll only use as a last resort.

Maybe a trip on the Isles of Scilly "SkyBus" service is in order for those finding Ryan Air challenging.

An 11 seat "Islander" brought me over last time,flown by what appeared to be an adolescent girl. I was weighed pre-flight and instructed to sit in the tiny seat next to said juvenile.

The following 10 minutes of listening to her schoolgirl exchanges with ATC and observing her puzzled stares at the GPS were the longest of my life, and her later attempts to line the thing up with the runway at Lands End made me shut my eyes for the last traumatic 30 seconds.

A previous experience where one pilot dropped to 300 feet to check out a whale he'd spotted...without bothering to tell the passengers what he was doing, caused some consternation.

Ryan Air told - "'Respect our rules' as the EU wades in, after airline cancels hundreds of flights!

The budget airline has angered travellers after announcing plans to axe between 40 and 50 flights per day until the end of October.

The fiasco will cost O'learys shabby outfit millions of his beloved Euros!!!

And all this from the cheapskate airline. Who's boss probably pleased the Remonars on this message board when he hysterically claimed that, “There is not going to be an interim agreement, there is not going to be a legal basis, we will be cancelling flights, we will be cancelling people’s holidays for summer of 2019.”      

"“This is going to be a real mess,” Mr O’Leary said, before adding, “Brexit will be one of the great economic suicide notes in history.”     

That was early August. Fast forward to today and -

A European Commission spokesman told a press conference in Brussels: "Airlines operating in the EU need to respect the European rules. 

"Passengers whose flights are cancelled have a comprehensive set of rights. We have to check if all this is respected by Ryanair. 

"For instance, you are entitled to reimbursement if you are not warned two weeks in advance."

Poetic justice for the arrogant little democracy denier, who's constantly called for the referendum result to be overturned or ignored    

Hoisted by his own petard. RESULT!!       

Looks like they're about to go bust!

Sounds like Industrial Espionage / sabotage to me. He's admitted they took their eye off the ball and that it will cost Ryanair multi millions to compensate customers. I'm sure senior mangement sackings will follow, but given the mistake I don't see what else they could have done but cancel the flights they couldn't cover (doubtless the less profitable runs mind you)

It's no frills. It's a cheap flight enabling many people over the years to fly who otherwise couldn't afford to. Expect no creature comforts, no extras and no customer service and you won't be disappointed. It is hugely embarrassing for them though and has trarnished their brand further.

fatboy47 wrote:Maybe a trip on the Isles of Scilly "SkyBus" service is in order for those finding Ryan Air challenging.

An 11 seat "Islander" brought me over last time,flown by what appeared to be an adolescent girl. I was weighed pre-flight and instructed to sit in the tiny seat next to said juvenile.

The following 10 minutes of listening to her schoolgirl exchanges with ATC and observing her puzzled stares at the GPS were the longest of my life, and her later attempts to line the thing up with the runway at Lands End made me shut my eyes for the last traumatic 30 seconds.

A previous experience where one pilot dropped to 300 feet to check out a whale he'd spotted...without bothering to tell the passengers what he was doing, caused some consternation.

Hahaha your tale reminds me a holiday in Kenya and flying to the Masai Mara on a light aircraft, probably a 20 seater or similar.
My Brother in Law is rather large and as we were bimbling along just below Kilimanjaro height, he got out of his seat to go to the 'bucket' for his morning constitutional. The Pilot and Co-pilot threw back the curtain seperating them from us and looked with horror as this sudden shift of 300lbs or so of ballast wandered around the seating changing the stability of the plane

Hasn't harmed their share price much

I can see them being squeezed out by other airlines and European rules in the coming years.

Blackrod wrote:I can see them being squeezed out by other airlines and European rules in the coming years.

Why is it only happening to Ryan air?

Cos there a cheap skate outfit who don't pay their pilots emough.

While Mr Remoaner Oleary was at his shambolic press conference claiming we have enough pilots but we don't have enough pilots! His pilots were having meetings to discuss industrial action!!!!

You don't think his pro EU stance and his sponsorship of have a over supply of cheap labour is a coincidence?!

Well it looks like it's bit him on his, privileged, millionaire anti brexit @rse !!

What a good do!! 

RingoMcCartney wrote:Why is it only happening to Ryan air?

Cos there a cheap skate outfit who don't pay their pilots emough.

While Mr Remoaner Oleary was at his shambolic press conference claiming we have enough pilots but we don't have enough pilots! His pilots were having meetings to discuss industrial action!!!!

You don't think his pro EU stance and his sponsorship of have a over supply of cheap labour is a coincidence?!

Well it looks like it's bit him on his, privileged, millionaire anti brexit @rse !!

What a good do!! 

If what you say is true then leaving the EU means the end of cheap flights.

Would you be happy with that?

Are you seriously talking about an oversupply of cheap labour in relation to the profession of Pilot?

Bloody unskilled eastern europeans, coming over here, flying our planes.

UpTheBeehole wrote:Are you seriously talking about an oversupply of cheap labour in relation to the profession of Pilot?

Bloody unskilled eastern europeans, coming over here, flying our planes.

Unless they've got Ryanair written on the side!

Spijed wrote:If what you say is true then leaving the EU means the end of cheap flights.

Would you be happy with that?

You do realise that we don't to be in the EU for planes to take off and fly and fares to be cheap do you!?

Are you Oleary in disguise!?

We used to fly with Ryanair all the time, being on a family budget. But after yet another grubby, late cattle transport trip, I thought it doesn't really make sense saving for a holiday then having a miserable time getting there and back.

Spent a tiny bit more with Monarch this year - still very much a budget airline - but it was loads better. Might have been a one off, but I'll be using them again.

It's cheaper to cancel flights than pay higher compo for delays.

the lists of cancelled flights that ryanair have published don't include every flight that has been cancelled.

so you might still get the email even if your flight isn't on the list.

Lord Beamish wrote:I used Ryanair once, a decade ago, to fly from Manchester to Dublin. Although the flight was only 40 minutes, the experience was awful.
I have not used them since.

For a bit of balance, I flew with Ryanair in July for the first time in 11 years. It was also Manchester to Dublin. I had absolutely no problems at all although we couldn't sit together without paying extra. I was flying with MDWat so that was probably a bonus. It was standard Ryanair, but it was also cheap and the most economical way of getting there.

Flew with them in July was cheapest flight available. They can be arsy with bag measurements but as long as you are prepared for that and don't get conned into their extras they are ok.

My stewardess looked like Natalie Portman (the missus didn't agree, lol) and was nice so that was a bonus!

Erm ... it's not a lack of pilots

They hadn't sold enough seats so it's cheaper to cancel and take the flak

I've flown many times with Ryanair and have never had a problem.

In fact I've never really had a problem with any of the budget airlines, with Jet2 even going so far beyond what they needed to do one time that I emailed them to make sure these particular members of staff were recognised by their bosses.

Of course Jet2's boss also thinks that Brexit will have a 'terrible impact' on the airline industry, but you'll hear nothing of that from the swivel-eyed, O'Leary-obsessed Ringo.

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/busines ... 57302.html

Here`s a current list of upcoming cancelled flights. Out of around 25 per day, around 7 of them are in or out of England.

I`m flying out to Faro with them next Wednesday, daren`t check my emails!


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Walton wrote:I've flown many times with Ryanair and have never had a problem.

In fact I've never really had a problem with any of the budget airlines, with Jet2 even going so far beyond what they needed to do one time that I emailed them to make sure these particular members of staff were recognised by their bosses.

Of course Jet2's boss also thinks that Brexit will have a 'terrible impact' on the airline industry, but you'll hear nothing of that from the swivel-eyed, O'Leary-obsessed Ringo.

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/busines ... 57302.html

Not obsessed at all.

But jet2 can say whatever he likes!

But why is it only happening to Ryan air?

Its cos of his inability to organise a p*** up in a brewery. He's having to ground planes left right and centre! Now the EU rules on basically being s***, have bit him in his entitled @rse. !   

And that after Mr Remoaner, Oleary who the hysterically claimed thatr- " after March 2019 there'll be no flights between the UK and Europe if we don't get a good deal!"

Hoisted by his own petard!

You would think they would be on the phone to the RAF to borrow some pilots for a month or so.
Could be a boost in the coffers for RAF as well. Get a good few million off O Leary for the pleasure.

From what I've heard today it's something to do with when the pilots holidays run from/too.

Most airlines apparently use the calendar year so by March/April the pilots/stewards have accrued enough hours to take holidays and be back to work for the busy summer holidays feeling refreshed etc.

Ryanair run their holidays by the financial year so pilots and stewards aren't able to take time off prior to the busy period and have to take holiday around about now.

Its also claimed Ryanair knew 12 months ago that this was going to happen now but didn't mention anything so they didn't have to refund as many flights etc.

Whether or not it's all correct remains to be seen.

RingoMcCartney wrote:You do realise that we don't to be in the EU for planes to take off and fly and fares to be cheap do you!?

yes you do. it's all to do with landing rights. They are an Irish firm so it won't bother me but flights out of Uk will be lost.

Sidney1st wrote: Its also claimed Ryanair knew 12 months ago that this was going to happen now but didn't mention anything so they didn't have to refund as many flights etc.

If they'd cancelled flights 12 months ago they wouldn't be repaying anybody. The schedule hadn't even been announced.

piston broke wrote:If they'd cancelled flights 12 months ago they wouldn't be repaying anybody. The schedule hadn't even been announced.

I meant they didn't give their customers more notice of intended delays.

piston broke wrote:yes you do. it's all to do with landing rights. They are an Irish firm so it won't bother me but flights out of Uk will be lost.

You're confusing causation and correlation.

If carrying on paying legions of eurocrats, billions of pounds for their fat salaries and pensions. Then let's give em even more and see if it really is the case that "leaving the EU means the end of cheap flights." Cos that'd mean ticket prices would tumble.

If you really really think that Oleary's shabby outfit won't be able to fly post brexit. Don't fret. Cos they'll be plenty of UK based budget airlines ready to take up the slack. I'm sure Ryanair will have a few planes spare.

Poetic justice for the extreme Remoaner Oleary.

RingoMcCartney wrote:You're confusing causation and correlation.

If carrying on paying legions of eurocrats, billions of pounds for their fat salaries and pensions. Then let's give em even more and see if it really is the case that "leaving the EU means the end of cheap flights." Cos that'd mean ticket prices would tumble.

If you really really think that Oleary's shabby outfit won't be able to fly post brexit. Don't fret. Cos they'll be plenty of UK based budget airlines ready to take up the slack. I'm sure Ryanair will have a few planes spare.

Poetic justice for the extreme Remoaner Oleary.

Anyone make any sense of this?

Spain might go bankrupt if flights go up and UK holiday makers stop going in their droves.

martin_p wrote:Anyone make any sense of this?

In short. Being able to fly and land a plane and having cheap flights, is not dependent on being a member of the EU. As was claimed further up this thread.

"Anyone make any sense of this?"

Er, no, the ****'s lost it completely.