ARTICLE: Ross County are the latest club daft enough

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:54 am

I couldn't let it pass without just a few words

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Reckoner · Post by **Reckoner** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:19 pm

You need to grow up

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:31 pm

Why would you give someone who's relegated 4 clubs, yes I include us, a 2 year contract? Daft is the right word.

What's to grow up about. The lying toe rag ripped us apart. I wouldn't give the **** a job in the SPL, and I mean an actual Sunday Pub League!

smudge · Post by **smudge** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:54 pm

RammyClaret61 wrote:Why would you give someone who's relegated 4 clubs, yes I include us, a 2 year contract? Daft is the right word.

What's to grow up about. The lying toe rag ripped us apart. I wouldn't give the **** a job in the SPL, and I mean an actual Sunday Pub League!

I'll repeat what I've said before.
Without Coyle this club would not be where it is now.
Perhaps the way he left could have been handled differently and I'm sure he regrets it now.
These things happen in football get over the.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:29 pm

smudge wrote:I'll repeat what I've said before.
Without Coyle this club would not be where it is now.
Perhaps the way he left could have been handled differently and I'm sure he regrets it now.
These things happen in football get over the.

Don't agree with that at all because the result of what we achieved under Coyle (the promotion) had well and truly gone in every way within a couple of years. The only reason we are where we are now is down to the current manager who took over a club almost five years ago that didn't have any money to improve the squad.

As for him regretting it - I can assure you he doesn't and the only potential affection he might have for us is that he's disliked more by the supporters of Bolton, Wigan & Blackburn.

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:34 pm

We can never, ever stop vilifying him as far as I'm concerned. Been done to death on here many times but the schadenfreude caused by the man's downward career trajectory is delicious.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:45 pm

I don't give him much thought these days, as he quietly drifts back to backwater Scottish football from whence he came.

The 2008/9 season was incredible though and wouldn't have happened without that massive knobhead.

Seasideclaret · Post by **Seasideclaret** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:51 pm

The Ross County players should all look smart if he gets his mate, the ex Wigan kit man a job up there(and he does live in Scotland!), he's already got his other parasitic mate a job there.

smudge · Post by **smudge** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Don't agree with that at all because the result of what we achieved under Coyle (the promotion) had well and truly gone in every way within a couple of years. The only reason we are where we are now is down to the current manager who took over a club almost five years ago that didn't have any money to improve the squad.

As for him regretting it - I can assure you he doesn't and the only potential affection he might have for us is that he's disliked more by the supporters of Bolton, Wigan & Blackburn.

The promotion season under Coyle was one of the greatest achievements in recent years.
He produced a minor miracle that season.
The financial rewards set Burnley on the road to where we are today.
Todays manager must surely have some benefit from that.
What ever as happened since that season Coyle was the start of it.
Itwas a wonderful time to be a Burnley supporter one I'll never forget.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:01 pm

He was even lucky to get a job with us. St. Johnstone were considering potting him just before he Weasled his way out.

He is a bullshitter who managed to get our squad believing in themselves. It quickly went Pete tong though which comes as no surprise to any one who knows anything about football.

International class · Post by **International class** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:02 pm

So Ross County sack the man who brought them two top six finishes and the only major silverware in their history for this useless man.

Football..........it's a funny old game!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:05 pm

The season was ace, and it was because of him.

You either cope with that, or you permanently destroy any credibility you ever had by claiming anything else.

And he relegated the bastards! FFS, what more do you lot want?

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:06 pm

The promotion season under Coyle was a special one, the promotion, the league cup run, the penalties at Chelsea etc. The team, a collection of players who never really got any higher, yet many favourites amongst fans.

Since then, his record must be one of, if not the worst of all the managers in the UK during the same period.

We must remember that season for what it was, I'm sure he does, and not let what happened after it tarnish the memory.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:08 pm

Right_winger wrote:He was even lucky to get a job with us. St. Johnstone were considering potting him just before he Weasled his way out.

He is a bullshitter who managed to get our squad believing in themselves. It quickly went Pete tong though which comes as no surprise to any one who knows anything about football.

Nothing like revisionism is there?

Coyle took St Johnstone to a cup final and left to join Burnley before that final was played.

And there's you saying they were about to sack him.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:10 pm

smudge wrote:The financial rewards set Burnley on the road to where we are today.
Todays manager must surely have some benefit from that.
What ever as happened since that season Coyle was the start of it.
Itwas a wonderful time to be a Burnley supporter one I'll never forget.

Then you clearly don't believe a word the current manager says because he's said it time and time again that there wasn't anything left at all from the first Premier League season when he got here. It was gone, every last drop of it, and we were scraping around for money and having to sell players again.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:13 pm

Well, there were the parachute payments...

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:15 pm

Well in that case surely he left us where he found us, in the Championship.

All the blame for having run out of money can't surely be pinned Coyle's door, the Board surely have their stake in that claim. After all they are the ones in charge.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:31 pm

ClaretEngineer wrote:Well in that case surely he left us where he found us, in the Championship.

All the blame for having run out of money can't surely be pinned Coyle's door, the Board surely have their stake in that claim. After all they are the ones in charge.

Not blaming him for that but pointing out that we were in a financial mess again four years after we’d won that promotion. The money had gone for a variety of reasons but our current situation is solely due to winning promotion on a shoestring in 2014 with a manager who understood the club.

Rodneyyouplonker · Post by **Rodneyyouplonker** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:40 pm

Some people just can't let it go can they.

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Not blaming him for that but pointing out that we were in a financial mess again four years after we’d won that promotion. The money had gone for a variety of reasons but our current situation is solely due to winning promotion on a shoestring in 2014 with a manager who understood the club.

You are absolutely correct on your last point, I don't think anyone can trace any lineage to Dyche's success from Coyle. Maybe the a tenuous link, in that those in charge had learned some difficult financial lessons.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:02 pm

Didn't the Austin money save us from possibly going into administration?

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:03 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Then you clearly don't believe a word the current manager says because he's said it time and time again that there wasn't anything left at all from the first Premier League season when he got here. It was gone, every last drop of it, and we were scraping around for money and having to sell players again.

Surely there were a number of reasons for that which weren't just down to Coyle:

Repayment of director's debts.
Free season tickets.
Dyche came in after Howe.
Purchase of players like Austin, Ings and others that gave us a pretty capable side.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Then you clearly don't believe a word the current manager says because he's said it time and time again that there wasn't anything left at all from the first Premier League season when he got here. It was gone, every last drop of it, and we were scraping around for money and having to sell players again.

On a basic level that's correct. In reality though the situation would have been significantly different if we hadn't been promoted under Coyle. We were on a downwards trend of recording losses each year and the creditors mounting up. Getting promoted reversed that trend and allowed us to clear out some debt. We were struggling for money somewhat when Dyche came in but without the promotion it would have been significantly worse financially.

There is no chance that when Dyche came in we would have had players of the calibre of Trippier, Shackell, Marney, Ings, Vokes etc without that Premier League money, we would not have been able to maintain that level of wages or fees.

Like it or not, Coyle contributed significantly to where we are now. It is possible to appreciate what he did at the time and still feel amused at the downward spiral his career has taken since.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:00 pm

People can try to re-write history all they like but Coyle's period was an important part of the last 10 years of BFC history and without it who knows where we would be now.

You know, managers leave football clubs. I didn't like the way he went about it but I do think there comes a time when you have to let it go.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:08 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Then you clearly don't believe a word the current manager says because he's said it time and time again that there wasn't anything left at all from the first Premier League season when he got here. It was gone, every last drop of it, and we were scraping around for money and having to sell players again.

Eddie Howe spent well with the money generated from Coyles promotion which enabled us to get promoted under Dyche.....

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:09 pm

There's little doubt that Coyle had an indirect impact on our current situation.

What's not in doubt is that as a man he is an utter turd.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:12 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:Didn't the Austin money save us from possibly going into administration?

The Austin money which Coyle generated for the club. I'm sorry but people are delusional if they think Howe would've been able to spend £3-4M on Austin, Shackell and Ings without the promotion under Coyle.

3 players all vital to our first promotion with Dyche in their own way. Add in Mee, Trippier, Vokes and Treacy to that list too.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:13 pm

If Coyle did anything more than bring a huge slice of luck to us in 2008/9 how do you explain his career since?
It was a great time, sure, but then at that time most of us thought we'd never see the Clarets in the Premier league so it was special. But we won through on a wave of momentum...I'm not re-writing history when I say we went through a four week period when we hit the net every game with a worldie, not through good all-round play. And how Sheff United didn't get a penalty at Wembley I'll never know. But it was great!

Since May 09 he's been (very) crap with us, Bolton, Wigan, Houston, and Blackburn leaving each club in a crap position.

How likely is it that he was anything other than extremely lucky for a year with us, when everywhere else his spectacular incompetence has shone through? Virtually impossible I'd say.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:16 pm

Guich wrote:If Coyle did anything more than bring a huge slice of luck to us in 2008/9 how do you explain his career since?
It was a great time, sure, but then at that time most of us thought we'd never see the Clarets in the Premier league so it was special. But we won through on a wave of momentum...I'm not re-writing history when I say we went through a four week period when we hit the net every game with a worldie, not through good all-round play. And how Sheff United didn't get a penalty at Wembley I'll never know. But it was great!

Since May 09 he's been (very) crap with us, Bolton, Wigan, Houston, and Blackburn leaving each club in a crap position.

How likely is it that he was anything other than extremely lucky for a year with us, when everywhere else his spectacular incompetence has shone through? Virtually impossible I'd say.

Id suggest you're stupid if you think that season was lucky, no promotion is lucky. I'm sure we played over 60 games that year with a tiny squad, we absolutely deserved everything we got, the cup run included.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:20 pm

KRBFC wrote:Id suggest you're stupid if you think that season was lucky, no promotion is lucky. I'm sure we played over 60 games that year with a tiny squad, we absolutely deserved everything we got, the cup run included.

I admire your faith KRBFC. But one season sticks out like a sore thumb. It defies logic to say it wasn't a fluke.

And please don't intimate I'm stupid because you disagree with me.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:23 pm

Now if you were to say a talented group of players over-achieved magnificently despite the nob in charge, then we may have some common ground.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:23 pm

KRBFC wrote:The Austin money which Coyle generated for the club. I'm sorry but people are delusional if they think Howe would've been able to spend £3-4M on Austin, Shackell and Ings without the promotion under Coyle.

3 players all vital to our first promotion with Dyche in their own way. Add in Mee, Trippier, Vokes and Treacy to that list too.

I completely agree with this. There may have been no money left from the premier league for Dyche, but it does not mean Coyle's time had no bearing on where we are now. Ings, Austin, Trippier, Mee, Shackell, Marney and most of the rest of the team were purchased using the remaining money. We might not have established ourselves as a Prem club off the back of that first miracle, but it did lay the foundations.

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:30 pm

You can't sweep a 60 odd million income under the carpet and say it had no bearing on the following years.

We'd have been a damn site worse off without it in those subsequent years

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:35 pm

Jeez Guich, even Claret Tony acknowledges the role Coyle had in that season.

Its more than churlish to think otherwise if we are being honest.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:39 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Nothing like revisionism is there?

Coyle took St Johnstone to a cup final and left to join Burnley before that final was played.

And there's you saying they were about to sack him.

No revisionism what so ever. I'd suggest you actually are aware of what your talking about before polishing things up. That cup final would have been the Scottish league challenge cup. Basically the Scottish equivalent to the vanarama cup ( or whatever it's called) but much less prestigious. St. Johnstone at that time were the Barlcelona of the first division in terms of resources. Yes Gretna pumped in money on wages but they never had the off field set up close to St. Johnstone. Coyle was very close to getting the boot. St.Johnstone were falling over themselves that we actually paid £150k for his services.

My sources on this of which there are several, let's just say were involved in the deal when we made an approach for Coyle.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:39 pm

Laughable that people still refuse to give Coyle credit for what he achieved here.
Dyche wouldn't have been taking over a Championship team with some excellent players had Coyle not earned us around £80m.

He **** on us after and everyone is glad he's failing but he was still fantastic for this club.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:58 pm

Right_winger wrote:No revisionism what so ever. I'd suggest you actually are aware of what your talking about before polishing things up. That cup final would have been the Scottish league challenge cup. Basically the Scottish equivalent to the vanarama cup ( or whatever it's called) but much less prestigious. St. Johnstone at that time were the Barlcelona of the first division in terms of resources. Yes Gretna pumped in money on wages but they never had the off field set up close to St. Johnstone. Coyle was very close to getting the boot. St.Johnstone were falling over themselves that we actually paid £150k for his services.

My sources on this of which there are several, let's just say were involved in the deal when we made an approach for Coyle.

Why did they initially refuse us permission to talk to him then?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:00 pm

Guich wrote:Now if you were to say a talented group of players over-achieved magnificently despite the nob in charge, then we may have some common ground.

A thin bare squad that over achieved with Coyle in charge yet you're giving Coyle no credit by claiming it was a fluke. I don't care what he's done since but he was an incredible manager for us at the time.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:20 pm

In his reign there's no doubt that he brought jubilation to 35 thousand of us at Wembley stadium in that merry day in May
But I was also at MK Dons on that faiteful day when the lying Scotsman sent out Stewart to address more of his lies
Knowing full well where his interest lied with Gartslime
When our club was crying out for stability and guidance he single handerly ripped the heart of the club out
And for me wiped out anything good about what he achieved here
Once a Judus always a Judus

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:36 pm

If a great lover then sh*ts on you you don't remember the loving just the sh*ting. It was the facade of lies on top of this. Enjoyed Wembley but hell I enjoyed his return with Bolton in the cup.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:37 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Jeez Guich, even Claret Tony acknowledges the role Coyle had in that season.

Its more than churlish to think otherwise if we are being honest.

You're right. I'm letting my total disdain for the turd get in the way of rational judgement

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:46 pm

Made me want to watch football again. I don't think the adoration at the start of the premier league season was any less than we have for dyche now. But the classless way he left and took the players due to join us means I will always smile at his misfortune.

Like many I think with Wilshire Holden and Weiss we would have had enough to stay up.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:05 pm

Guich wrote:You're right. I'm letting my total disdain for the turd get in the way of rational judgement

I believe it's totally OK to dislike anyone, for any reason and for as long as you choose to.
For what it's worth, I put a gypsy type curse on him when he jumped ship, and bad luck will follow him wherever he goes

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:11 pm

Coyles 'values and ethics are very much in line with where the club is' according to Ross County's chairman. Chairman normally have good things to say about their own club.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:30 pm

Coyle did well for us FOR 1 SEASON. Sure it was a rollercoaster ride with the cup semi and playoffs etc after that it was horrific. Not sure if the stat above "he earnt us 80million" is totally? though granted he did get us to the prem so deserves a note for 1 decent season as manager. After that he's brought horrific trail of debt and destruction and relegated or hugely contributed to it (us for example) at everywhere he's been since. He even left Houston in a mess. likes to bugger off when the chips are down.

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:31 pm

Bolton wanderers are years ahead of Burnley so he does one ,now Ross country are a million miles away from Burnley !!!. Coyle you will never get back what you had at Burnley you made the biggest mistake of your life and you know it I bet sandy Stewart is ****** off moving house again coyle you had the dream you lost it with lies after mk Dons match oh I'm going to see my parents oh yeah at the rebock u lier only good thing I apploud you for is for helping sending bastards down anyway rant over hope you enjoy telling Ross county boys how they are best team in Scotland all I can say now is .....Sean dyche s claret n blue army .

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:55 pm

If I am honest I have to admit he was good up to 2009. The cup run and the purple patch to get us into the Premier League were brilliant. After a reasonable start in the top league he seemed to go from bad to worse. I was upset with his lying and effectively dumping Burnley for his own career but never thought he would sink as bad as he did. Shame really.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:09 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I couldn't let it pass without just a few words

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Quite pathetic when you realise what a great job he did for us.
Welcome back anytime as far as i'm concerned.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:13 pm

bartons baggage wrote:Quite pathetic when you realise what a great job he did for us.
Welcome back anytime as far as i'm concerned.

I think you missed the smiley

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:22 pm

Believe me, Coyle gave me the greatest season ever following the clarets. That night at Reading, Chelsea, Spurs at home, and Wembley of course. Absolute incredible times. I thank him for that, I'm sure we all do, no one is denying that he brought us success. It's what happened next that shoots down every inch of his credibility for me. I was at the shareholders meeting when he stated he was here to stay, he loved the place. I cheered and applauded. Again when he said Barry Kilby was running Burnley FC the correct way financially. He would be at Turf Moor "as long as Barry wanted him here". Oh and he wasn't motivated by money!
10 days later all the above was proven to be lies. He'd gone. Not only that, he pursuaded every other member of staff to go with him. Leaving us completely ripped apart. That is why I'll be forever on his case.
Nothing to do with the success he brought, he took all the plaudits for that, and rightly so. So for his actions after that he can continue to take all the stick he deserves.... he's earned it! UTC.