Definitely Penalty

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:55 pm

Just watched it from several angles, Wood touched the ball first away from Hart, he's then wiped out. Liner and ref missed that one.

claretjohn33505 · Post by **claretjohn33505** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:00 pm

belive it or not,
Phil Bird thought so.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:02 pm

I stand corrected then, I thought it wasn't from my view.

Thought Wood was looking for it and dragged his feet onto Hart, also looked to be going away from goal and Hart got a hand on it.

So Atwell got everything erong then..

CHEWBACCA · Post by **CHEWBACCA** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:07 pm

beddie wrote:Just watched it from several angles, Wood touched the ball first away from Hart, he's then wiped out. Liner and ref missed that one.

Have you got a link please?

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:21 pm

And Watford score from a penalty that was a clear dive, hope the cheating **** gets banned for two games.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:27 pm

MACCA wrote:I stand corrected then, I thought it wasn't from my view.

Thought Wood was looking for it and dragged his feet onto Hart, also looked to be going away from goal and Hart got a hand on it.

So Atwell got everything erong then..

Seeing as he either let most stuff go or missed it completely that's no surprise at all. He even got the sending off wrong - Carroll clearly leads with his elbow intentionally. Straight red. Hell, he telegraphed it by charging half way across the pitch before jumping in.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:36 pm

Stonewall pen. Wood got there first. Hart did not touch ball then wiped out Wood !!!

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:37 pm

I also thought it would have been soft from JHU, but the replay on sky app shows a definite penalty.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:39 pm

Looked a defo pen form CF stand..... couldn't believe it when it wasn't given to be honest

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:42 pm

Yep stone wall pen, watched it on sky app about an hour ago.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:45 pm

I watched live on NBC and it was 100% pen You guys will be ****** off when you see replay

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:26 pm

Had a decent view of it from the CFS and to be honest thought Hart had clearly taken the ball.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:28 pm

Not clear from where I was but thought Hart might have got there first.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:41 pm

Either a pen .... Or a goal kick .....

The lino on that side bottled it today big time too - he had no reaction for Defours yellow which had nothing wrong with it.

Hernandez ran out with it and got a throw in - the pen - They took a foul throw there .... Thats all I can remember. Shocking officiating at Prem level.

strayclaret · Post by **strayclaret** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:48 pm

Thought so from my view a long way in Bob Lord, now seen it on my sky app, absolutely as they say nowadays

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:51 pm

Up in the middle of the JHU, we thought Wood was lucky not to get booked for diving.

Still, glad that we were wrong but I guess it does show how hard these things are to call

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:54 pm

I mentioned it on the match thread. The radio London West Ham commentary team looked it over on the replays and were in disbelief that a penalty wasn’t given.

nyclaret · Post by **nyclaret** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:11 pm

It was a clear penalty.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:38 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Up in the middle of the JHU, we thought Wood was lucky not to get booked for diving.

Still, glad that we were wrong but I guess it does show how hard these things are to call

We sit at the back of the J Mac upper (I know), and initial thoughts were a penalty but then if not, shouldn't Wood gave been booked?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:49 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:We sit at the back of the J Mac upper (I know), and initial thoughts were a penalty but then if not, shouldn't Wood gave been booked?

No. In spite of the current refereeing trends, it's still possible to make a fair tackle and the player you're tackling falls over.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:50 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:We sit at the back of the J Mac upper (I know), and initial thoughts were a penalty but then if not, shouldn't Wood gave been booked?

The ref gave a corner anyway, so definitely not

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:07 pm

Looked to me from the JMU that Hart got the ball first, although I did wonder if he'd then lifted his arm to make sure that Wood went over. Seems he didn't even touch the ball.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:36 pm

Having seen it in motd, am I the only one who thinks Hart played the ball with his elbow?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:37 pm

Wasn't sure at the time as too far away, but certainly should've been a penalty

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:40 pm

clear cut penalty, no excusing the officials for that. Blatant, and it robbed us of two points. Horrendous decision.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:43 pm

I would say the replays on MOTD are pretty conclusive.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:54 pm

Yep definite penalty.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:58 pm

A stone bonker penalty.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:47 am

Let's not forget that this is the ref who has in the past awarded a goal for a shot that went wide.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:44 am

SD explained it well post match.
Whilst saying he was a distance away the fact that Hart had withdrawn his arms before he contacted Wood led him to believe it was a pen.
Very professional view but shouldn't the ref be thinking like that?

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:59 am

It was a pen all day. Really bad reffing. Cost us two very important points.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:05 am

Normally I would say it's too simple to say it cost us two points but the way the game went we would've definitely win had we scored before half time. Shame

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:05 am

scouseclaret wrote:Having seen it in motd, am I the only one who thinks Hart played the ball with his elbow?

Having watched a few slo-mo replays now I think Hart does play it with his elbow but has made contact with Wood a fraction before and at the speed both players were going for the ball there was no way Woody could avoid going to ground.

Hart knew what he was doing there and took a bit of a gamble and got away with it unfortunately for us.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:01 am

Hard for the officials and unless you are certain you should not give it. I think it is impossible for the ref to know who got to the ball first so it is up to the refs assistant. Pleased we didn't behave the way WHU players would have had it been the other way round.

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:02 am

Good view in the cricketfield stand- most of us thought it was a good save/he got there first. Wood moved the ball away looking for contact and keeper got it right. Still to see the reply

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:12 am

The sooner we have instant video replays for penalties and goals the better. Too much diving and poor decisions nowadays that have a massive effect on the game.

The Watford penalty against Arsenal was a another good example yesterday.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:22 am

Just watched MOTD and as I'm sure what has already been mentioned, the replay shows that Wood nicks the ball a split second before Hart makes contact, so yeah a definite penalty.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:22 am

After all the crap Hart was getting from the fans, football karma would have probably struck anyway and he'd have saved it.

Claret_Jules · Post by **Claret_Jules** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:26 pm

scouseclaret wrote:Having seen it in motd, am I the only one who thinks Hart played the ball with his elbow?

No, you're not. Hart clearly plays the ball with his elbow. I'm amazed nearly everyone on here is saying it was a pen.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:26 pm

There was never a doubt. Even from the top of the Longside it was obvious. Tv conclusive. Hart poor timing. Mistake. Referee did not want to give pen against England keeper. Ref woefully weak.

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:30 pm

In the refs defence I assume he thought it wasn't a penalty due to the angle that the ball came off Wood. He must have presumed that Hart got the ball.

From what I saw he did get a touch on the ball but only after he'd clattered Wood out of the way. It was therefore a foul as he brought the player down first so it should have been a penalty