I just don't see how he'll ever become this great defender that some people are proclaiming.

I don't think he'll ever become as good as Rio Ferdinand or John Terry were in their prime.

From reports I've read he's playing better than he was last season.

Is that not the case?

Who said he was going to be as good as Rio? With City's attack he doesn't need to be. A far better defender than Keane will ever be despite some of the wild claims on here throughout Keanes time with us. I guess the fact Stones left Everton to further his development and Keane joined Everton kind of says it all.

Ferdinand and Terry were good at defending, but times have moved on. I think if you're with a side like Man City, it's about control, turning and distribution. John Terry took about 3 minutes 20 seconds to turn, he was that slow. Defending he was great, but I don't think guardiola ranks that as his priority. He wants defenders who can turn quickly and release the ball. Neither Ferdinand or Terry could do that quick enough.

He was very good indeed today, some great passing

Stones went from Barnsley, to Everton to City...

Keane left Utd reserves to become first choice with us and then on to Everton.

Once the manager at Everton gets his act together and sorts his team out, Keane will be better protected and may eventually move on again to a better team.

Stones last season was left massively exposed by a poorly organised City team, no regular CB partner and lesser quality full backs etc.

Can you see the similarities KRBFC or are you going to ignore them?

I thought he was excellent today, although we didn't give him a lot of defending to do.

KRBFC wrote:Who said he was going to be as good as Rio? With City's attack he doesn't need to be. A far better defender than Keane will ever be despite some of the wild claims on here throughout Keanes time with us. I guess the fact Stones left Everton to further his development and Keane joined Everton kind of says it all.

Logically, all it says to me is that Everton sold a defender to Man City, so they needed to buy a new one. Is that all you were also trying to say, KRBFC?

Sidney1st wrote:Stones went from Barnsley, to Everton to City...

Keane left Utd reserves to become first choice with us and then on to Everton.

Once the manager at Everton gets his act together and sorts his team out, Keane will be better protected and may eventually move on again to a better team.

Stones last season was left massively exposed by a poorly organised City team, no regular CB partner and lesser quality full backs etc.

Can you see the similarities KRBFC or are you going to ignore them?

Yeah you're talking in "ifs and buts" again, I'm typing what I see, no "coulda woulda shoulda" nonsense.

KRBFC wrote:Yeah you're talking in "ifs and buts" again, I'm typing what I see, no "coulda woulda shoulda" nonsense.

You see what you want to see as per usual.

Everton aren't playing as a unit, meaning their defence isn't getting protected.
This means their defenders are more likely to make mistakes under pressure.
That's all it is.

If the manager can sort that out their defence won't leak as many goals, because as everyone knows a defence needs protection.

You should know this fact, but I'm guessing it doesn't suit your blinkered view?

Sidney1st wrote:You see what you want to see as per usual.

Everton aren't playing as a unit, meaning their defence isn't getting protected.
This means their defenders are more likely to make mistakes under pressure.
That's all it is.

If the manager can sort that out their defence won't leak as many goals, because as everyone knows a defence needs protection.

You should know this fact, but I'm guessing it doesn't suit your blinkered view?

Everton play with 2 holding midfielders, I'm not sure what more protection the defenders need but it suggests to me individually they simply aren't good enough to play for Everton.

One of Everton's issues will also be the number of new personnel, they're still getting used to each other.

They're also missing Lukaku, who's movement etc helped to keep opposition players occupied.
It all adds up and leads to gaps across how the team plays.

One day you'll understand all that.

KRBFC wrote:Who said he was going to be as good as Rio? With City's attack he doesn't need to be. A far better defender than Keane will ever be despite some of the wild claims on here throughout Keanes time with us. I guess the fact Stones left Everton to further his development and Keane joined Everton kind of says it all.

You really are the biggest attention seeker to ever hit this board or Claretsmad!

I'd be tearing my hair out in games if I was a Man City fan watching the defenders and goalie unnecessarily tip tapping it about in the box.

That's utter shite whoever your defenders and goalkeeper are.

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I'd be tearing my hair out in games if I was a Man City fan watching the defenders and goalie unnecessarily tip tapping it about in the box.

That's utter shite whoever your defenders and goalkeeper are.

We had the deflected chance with Arfield when we intercepted the ball on the edge of their box.

Suicidal defending and they are very lucky they can score the goals because in tight games it could cost them.

Wilsdenclaret wrote:He was very good indeed today, some great passing

We made him look good today.

Anyone can pass the ball when no one is challenging you.

KRBFC wrote:A far better defender than Keane will ever be despite some of the wild claims on here throughout Keanes time with us.

Totally agree. Laughable what some of the simpletons on here were saying last season

mohamed69 wrote:Totally agree. Laughable what some of the simpletons on here were saying last season

Keane is the future England captain according to some on here despite not even being our captain. The delusional lot on here couldn't get enough of Keane's decent display for England against ??? (who was it again? San Marino?)


Apparently I was negative for suggesting Keane was overrated, now it looks like I was 100% correct the entire time. I call it realistic, others call it negative..... Maybe I'm just smarter than the majority on here.

Sometimes a defender is only as good as the framework around him.

If the team isn't set up or performing well, the defenders have more to do and can often make more mistakes.

It isn't rocket science to the majority of us, just a few..

KRBFC wrote:Keane is the future England captain according to some on here despite not even being our captain. The delusional lot on here couldn't get enough of Keane's decent display for England against ??? (who was it again? San Marino?)


Apparently I was negative for suggesting Keane was overrated, now it looks like I was 100% correct the entire time. I call it realistic, others call it negative..... Maybe I'm just smarter than the majority on here.

Me and you both. We should start our own forum and have an IQ test to gain entry. May not be many members from here though!

How do you put more than one quote in a message on here?
It just seems to me that mohammed69 and KRBFC seem to be talking to themselves.
Surely they're not the....... no they couldn't be, could they?

Juan Tanamera wrote:How do you put more than one quote in a message on here?
It just seems to me that mohammed69 and KRBFC seem to be talking to themselves.
Surely they're not the....... no they couldn't be, could they?

Seems like you're the one talking to yourself!

I was asking questions, on a forum.
How would I be talking to my self?

Juan Tanamera wrote:I was asking questions, on a forum.
How would I be talking to my self?

Ignore him mate,comes on every Saturday night wether we win lose or draw,just to have a pop at the team and do a bit of trolling,he really should be doing his homework instead of being on here.

Steve1956 wrote:Ignore him mate,comes on every Saturday night wether we win lose or draw,just to have a pop at the team and do a bit of trolling,he really should be doing his homework instead of being on here.

Again, the wit. Mind blowing.

mohamed69 wrote:Again, the wit. Mind blowing.

"The wit"
Something you will ever be accused of.

Juan Tanamera wrote:"The wit"
Something you will ever be accused of.

Could you please try to make sense? Thanks.