Dyche to stay

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:27 pm

Don't worry.
He's our man for the foreseeable future.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:46 pm

Hooray! Optimism at last.

icu81b4 · Post by **icu81b4** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:57 pm

Just like we thought a certain Mr Coyle was.... Although I'm not comparing the two, just saying that money talks.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:02 pm

icu81b4 wrote:Just like we thought a certain Mr Coyle was.... Although I'm not comparing the two, just saying that money talks.

First, we have no idea of the terms of Sean Dyche's contract, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't on a very high salary in the PL.
Second, the only clubs he's being linked with (and then, basically only by us fans) are clubs in trouble.
The longer he stays at Burnley the higher his value; SD isn't stupid, that's why I can't see him leaving this season.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:27 pm

Sean is extremely well compensated right where he is, plus he has unlimited job security. It's taken him this long to get where he is with us, and at this point I'm not exactly sure what it would take to get him to jump ship. It's a lot like Eddie Howe at Bournemouth.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:28 pm

And don't EVER use Sean Dyche and Judas Horseface in the same sentence again. Thank you.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:47 pm

Why would Dyche go to Leicester, West Ham or Everton?

He has built something very special at Burnley.

A top ten Premier League club backed by the best board of directors in the country.

He has overseen the rebuilding of Gawthorpe and leads his team out to a full house at the Turf every other week for the first time in decades.

The players seem to have 100% respect for him and vice versa and that is something that he has built during the years that he has been with the club.

Would he want to walk away from that for a few extra quid to start again with a group of prima donnas at the risk of the sack after four defeats?

I can't see the sides in trouble at the moment enticing him.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:57 pm

You've said it all, tybfc.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:01 pm

icu81b4 wrote:I'm not comparing the two

I'm really happy that you're not comparing them. One is a honest and upright guy. The other manages a 2nd rate Scottish Club.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:06 pm

tybfc wrote:Why would Dyche go to Leicester, West Ham or Everton?

He has built something very special at Burnley.

A top ten Premier League club backed by the best board of directors in the country.

He has overseen the rebuilding of Gawthorpe and leads his team out to a full house at the Turf every other week for the first time in decades.

The players seem to have 100% respect for him and vice versa and that is something that he has built during the years that he has been with the club.

Would he want to walk away from that for a few extra quid to start again with a group of prima donnas at the risk of the sack after four defeats?

I can't see the sides in trouble at the moment enticing him.

He has also built his self belief as a manager and possibly wouldn't contemplate a worst case scenario at another club.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:09 pm

Saxoman wrote:He has also built his self belief as a manager and possibly wouldn't contemplate a worst case scenario at another club.

Not sure that's the case.
Sean Dyche has, among his many attributes, a very "calculating" mentality...he really does look at everything.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:11 pm

I dont think he would leave for Leicester. But people who think he wouldnt leave for West Ham, Everton or similar are blinkered, naive or in denial!

Hopefully he is here at least until the end of the season. Ideally for the next ten!

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:14 pm

[quote="cricketfieldclarets"]I dont think he would leave for Leicester. But people who think he wouldnt leave for West Ham, Everton or similar are blinkered, naive or in denial!

Or perhaps you are?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:18 pm

tybfc wrote:

I hope I am!

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:42 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Not sure that's the case.
Sean Dyche has, among his many attributes, a very "calculating" mentality...he really does look at everything.

Someone on television said that before each away game Dyche paces the distance between the penalty areas to gauge the size of the pitch. This is because the listed dimension aren't necessarily correct and it enables him to calculate how long players can play.

Has anyone noticed this?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:58 pm

It'll be a very sad day when he does go, that's for sure.

Hipper wrote: Has anyone noticed this?

No Burnley fan ever at an away ground has been there early enough.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:00 pm

Hipper wrote:Someone on television said that before each away game Dyche paces the distance between the penalty areas to gauge the size of the pitch. This is because the listed dimension aren't necessarily correct and it enables him to calculate how long players can play.

Has anyone noticed this?

Yes saw him do it at Leicester a couple of seasons ago and commented on his attention to detail. Wasnt sure why he did it but could tell it was something tactical and not just a gentle stroll. Not that he does gentle strolls. He power works purposefully everywhere!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:01 pm

In fact I noticed it at Southampton last season too.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:19 pm

the worry is that unlike arsenal or man utd when they ditch a manager, the money keeps pouring in, the next bloke just carries on where the last left it, they never fear relegation. Burnley seem to be wholly reliant on sean dyche. I love what he's done, so much so I can't see beyond his tenure.
Most fans realistically expected us to either fail this season or just about cling on with our fingernails. As it stands we are looking very strong so far.
The issue would be whether its a house of cards, impressive , but very much on a knife edge.
My view is that if he stayed we will progress , if he has to be replaced then it's likely we will be backsliding very rapidly.
Dyche is that good, not likely that even a higher profile manager coming in would be able to maintain our status.
Maybe if we could stay in this division for about five years and become financially robust, it may just be enough to compete if we had a great coach in to carry on in the same vein. No idea at all who could do this though.
Best thing is for him to stay put for decades.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:25 pm

The difference is this time the club overall is a far more attractive proposition to any number of potential manager.

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:33 pm

Hipper wrote:Someone on television said that before each away game Dyche paces the distance between the penalty areas to gauge the size of the pitch. This is because the listed dimension aren't necessarily correct and it enables him to calculate how long players can play.

Has anyone noticed this?

Pat Nevin in part of the good article linked below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41670800

Enjoy!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:53 pm

Sidney1st wrote:The difference is this time the club overall is a far more attractive proposition to any number of potential manager.

That could be seen as a bad thing as much as a good thing.

The biggest thing would be a manager that could keep the continuity to a certain extent. Too much change in style, tactics and ethos could see us go backwards very quickly.

A Eddie Howe type or a foreign manager who wanted to play out from the back say, would takes ages (and a fair amount of new players) to make it work after Dyche going.

Not that I think that the board would go down that route, but plenty of choice isn't always a good thing.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:56 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:That could be seen as a bad thing as much as a good thing.

The biggest thing would be a manager that could keep the continuity to a certain extent. Too much change in style, tactics and ethos could see us go backwards very quickly.

A Eddie Howe type or a foreign manager who wanted to play out from the back say, would takes ages (and a fair amount of new players) to make it work after Dyche going.

Not that I think that the board would go down that route, but plenty of choice isn't always a good thing.

Very good. I agree.

Jimmymaccer · Post by **Jimmymaccer** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:24 pm

The risk is he becomes complacent and too comfortable but I don’t think that’s the case. A very level headed man with strong values.

Leicester, foreign owners with no real true connection to what SD May see as what really matters to him. Everton, a great club but he’d be starting the same journey but with bigger bricks, and possibly less involvement in day to day matters- may appeal, but right now, given what he’s doing at Burnley?

If he goes,can’t blame him, but if I were advising him, I don’t think the reasons to go to the clubs being mentioned would be the best move - stay, develop us further, bring on a successor and then go ....

Bullabill · Post by **Bullabill** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:39 am

I watched him walk purposely from the half-way line to the corner of the penalty area, clearly counting his steps, and then he turned and did the same from the 18-yard line to the touchline," Nevin explained.

Purposely ?? Surely he didn't think he would do it accidentally?

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:58 am

He will leave when he has taught Duff all his secrets.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:59 am

The only niggle I have with Sean is that he has never shown any inclination to move his family up here and settle in the area.
It must be a real pain driving backwards and forwards to and from the Northampton area.
I would feel more confident about him staying with the club if he did settle in this area.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:06 am

He's done it for 5yrs, driving up and down from Northampton.

His families happiness is clearly important too him and uprooting them would probably cause issues he doesn't want to create.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:57 am

Sidney1st wrote:He's done it for 5yrs, driving up and down from Northampton.

His families happiness is clearly important too him and uprooting them would probably cause issues he doesn't want to create.

y

Yes I can understand and appreciate that.I suppose if he is content and happy to do that then fine....I know at one period in my working life i had to drive down to Milton Keynes on a Monday morning from Burnley and back again on Friday evening.I did that for almost 3 years and it nearly drove me mad .

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:19 am

Hipper wrote:Someone on television said that before each away game Dyche paces the distance between the penalty areas to gauge the size of the pitch. This is because the listed dimension aren't necessarily correct and it enables him to calculate how long players can play.

Has anyone noticed this?

Must be a very precise calculation considering he makes all his subs between the 80th and 90th minute.

Can't see him leaving for a club in trouble during the season myself. It took him until after he had a summer to work with here to get the team playing his way and I can't see him forgetting about that and wanting to go have teething issues at a club with someone else's players, when PL teams are so trigger happy getting rid of managers.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:12 am

The Enclosure wrote:y

Yes I can understand and appreciate that.I suppose if he is content and happy to do that then fine....I know at one period in my working life i had to drive down to Milton Keynes on a Monday morning from Burnley and back again on Friday evening.I did that for almost 3 years and it nearly drove me mad .

And I bet you were earning as much per year as Sean is in a week.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:30 am

Probably not even that much houseboy.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:29 am

The only way he could truly make his family unhappy would be by moving them to Blackburn.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:01 am

tybfc wrote:Why would Dyche go to Leicester, West Ham or Everton?

He has built something very special at Burnley.

A top ten Premier League club backed by the best board of directors in the country.

He has overseen the rebuilding of Gawthorpe and leads his team out to a full house at the Turf every other week for the first time in decades.

The players seem to have 100% respect for him and vice versa and that is something that he has built during the years that he has been with the club.

Would he want to walk away from that for a few extra quid to start again with a group of prima donnas at the risk of the sack after four defeats?

I can't see the sides in trouble at the moment enticing him.

All well and good, John, but that's a wonderful pair of tits, the temptress Everton has.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:06 am

Sidney1st wrote:He's done it for 5yrs, driving up and down from Northampton.

His families happiness is clearly important too him and uprooting them would probably cause issues he doesn't want to create.

How many families does he have?

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:45 am

Puel expected to be unveiled as new Leicester manager today. One down...

SandyLaneClaret · Post by **SandyLaneClaret** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:06 am

The Enclosure wrote:The only niggle I have with Sean is that he has never shown any inclination to move his family up here and settle in the area.
It must be a real pain driving backwards and forwards to and from the Northampton area.
I would feel more confident about him staying with the club if he did settle in this area.

I thought he'd bought a house in Lothersdale?

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:45 am

tybfc wrote:Why would Dyche go to Leicester, West Ham or Everton?

He has built something very special at Burnley.

A top ten Premier League club backed by the best board of directors in the country.

He has overseen the rebuilding of Gawthorpe and leads his team out to a full house at the Turf every other week for the first time in decades.

The players seem to have 100% respect for him and vice versa and that is something that he has built during the years that he has been with the club.

Would he want to walk away from that for a few extra quid to start again with a group of prima donnas at the risk of the sack after four defeats?

I can't see the sides in trouble at the moment enticing him.

Whilst I’d really love to believe this, it’s precisely because of these achievements that I think he will leave. He may well think he’s taken the club as far as he can, both in terms of league position and the improvements to the club’s infrastructure. And as far as being “clubs in trouble” is concerned, does any one seriously believe SD won’t be able to keep that Everton team up? Sean Dyche won’t think that - that’s for sure.

The only thing that shouldn’t be a concern is money. He is by far our most valuable employee and we should be prepared to match the financial package offered by ANY other club.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:01 am

Five years of hard work, the club he is custodian of has no debt, owns its ground and training facilities. Has a fantastic refurbished and rebuilt training ground. Players he wanted to buy and work with plus a real chance of finishing mid table in the PL. He has had the backing of the Board after relegation and been shown loyalty so often missing in football. "SD to stay" would be an early Christmas Present, he has so much respect from my family who swore we would never get taken in by a manager ever again after the SuBo fiasco, well we have and are firmly in the camp Dyche to Stay. UTC

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:02 am

Two games coming up in less than 1 week, starting with Newcastle on Monday, then a 2 week break after the Southampton game. I can see Dyche being named the Everton manager after the Southampton game.

If so, Dyche would already have told the board of his decision. This this will give us a little more time to install a new manager, complete with back room staff

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:10 am

scouseclaret wrote:Whilst I’d really love to believe this, it’s precisely because of these achievements that I think he will leave. He may well think he’s taken the club as far as he can, both in terms of league position and the improvements to the club’s infrastructure. And as far as being “clubs in trouble” is concerned, does any one seriously believe SD won’t be able to keep that Everton team up? Sean Dyche won’t think that - that’s for sure.

The only thing that shouldn’t be a concern is money. He is by far our most valuable employee and we should be prepared to match the financial package offered by ANY other club.

How has he 'taken us as far as he can'? Last season we finished 16th, currently we're top ten, as long as we finish the season 15th or higher he'll have taken us further. Do you think he really doubts himself enough to think he won't top last season's finishing position from here?!

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:45 am

It appears most everyone thinks this is a nailed on certainty that Everton only have SD in their sight. There are so many Managers around, many without a job and with far more experience than SD I doubt they have finished their short list of candidates, let alone interviews.

What about Eddie Howe, Chris Hughton and Marco Silva? Their stock is just as high as SD but because the punditry aren't talking about them it isn't a fact Everton aren't interested.

Will he go? Nobody on here knows but IF he does then we shouldn't be too judgmental. He owes us nothing but we owe him a lot for his dedication and sheer hard graft that has helped to transform the club from a mid range Championship side to what we are now.

One thing is certain, we will still be here and so will Burnley Football Club.

UTC

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:47 am

If he doesn't go to Everton, then he won't be going anywhere else unless we continue to get better and better.

Which, lets face it, is a win-win for us and for him.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:50 am

JohnMac wrote:It appears most everyone thinks this is a nailed on certainty that Everton only have SD in their sight. There are so many Managers around, many without a job and with far more experience than SD I doubt they have finished their short list of candidates, let alone interviews.

What about Eddie Howe, Chris Hughton and Marco Silva? Their stock is just as high as SD but because the punditry aren't talking about them it isn't a fact Everton aren't interested.

Will he go? Nobody on here knows but IF he does then we shouldn't be too judgmental. He owes us nothing but we owe him a lot for his dedication and sheer hard graft that has helped to transform the club from a mid range Championship side to what we are now.

One thing is certain, we will still be here and so will Burnley Football Club.

UTC

I read it differently in that many people think Dyche would be most likely to leave IF Everton offered him the job.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:53 am

I've considered the possibility (probability) that the media (SKY) are peddling a "firm favourite" to go to Everton purely because they want to control the betting markets, of which they also have a financial interest in. Often with situations such as this a single target is often peddled in the media to generate a betting market to make fools part with their money.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:17 am

're his family in Northampton I think most managers spend a lot of time away from home due to watching matches scouting etc so I think that's not uncommon.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:18 am

taio wrote:I read it differently in that many people think Dyche would be most likely to leave IF Everton offered him the job.

Could not agree more. It is a huge IF.

For all the right reasons most of us think Dyche is a superhero, but the fact remains that his best ever performance is 16th in the PL.

That really is not good enough for Clubs who aspire to play in European competitions and this includes Everton, Leicester and West Ham.

So there is a two stage equation here. Will he be offered the job, probably not. Will he accept, maybe but unlikely.

IMHO I think he will be here for the rest of the season, and next summer is the time for sleepless nights.

One last point. The Board, with the exception of Laws, who may have been the best of a bad bunch of applicants, have a seriously good track record of appointing the right man

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:18 am

BFCmaj wrote:How many families does he have?

His real family and the Burnley fanbase.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:25 am

Naturally I would love Dyche to think of his fans at Burnley and rule himself out of the running for the Everton job, sooner rather than later. I had a serious schizophrenia/suicidal moment last night over this, no kidding. This has made me really ill. It's the only bit of mental peace I have right now, knowing Dyche is in charge at Burnley. It's just the one thing in my life I felt secure about, mentally at the moment and to have that up in the air is really causing me grief. I realize that sounds ridiculous, but that's mental illness for you, it's a tsunami in the head that one cannot stop.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:29 am

There's to much doom and gloom surrounding this all Dyche to Everton lark.

If he leaves we may well just look back in 10 years and see what he did as another SC stability job. We could get a replacement who takes us to incredible things, cup finals, Europe and so on.

Chin up