Our inability to create much at home and score/win has concerned me for ages. Maybe the time has come to try something different. Something that allows us to keep our defensive strength, but provide more of a threat at the other end.

So for the next few homes games I would like us to try this system/team.

Pope

Tarks Mee Ward

Lowton Defour Cork Hendrick Brady

Wells Wood

Thoughts?

summitclaret wrote:Thoughts?

None you'd care to hear.

Oh go on.

Got to be worth a try. Anything's better than the fare served up at home since January - I think we've only won twice at home since then?

Not so sure about Ward at centre back. It would be good to try 3 at the back but doubt dyche would allow it. I would like a 4132 if we aren't to try 3 at the back.

Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee Ward
Cork
Gudmundsson Defour Brady
Wood Wells?

I feel we would have more of an attacking threat with cork staying back for defensive duties and defour allowed to roam. Wingers wide, playing directly and crossing/shooting often. I think Wood and Wells could be good as both are decent with their feet, one is Quicker and one is tall for balls in the air. A bit of an upgrade on Vokes/Gray or Vokes/Barnes partnerships.

We went 3 at the back against West Ham in the final part of the game, looks like we have already trained for it but I would expect it to be a reactive formation rather than a proactive one.

summitclaret wrote:Our inability to create much at home and score/win has concerned me for ages. Maybe the time has come to try something different. Something that allows us to keep our defensive strength, but provide more of a threat at the other end.

So for the next few homes games I would like us to try this system/team.

Pope

Tarks Mee Ward

Lowton Defour Cork Hendrick Brady

Wells Wood

Thoughts?

My thought... file this under the many reasons fans are not managers.

Dyche out!

The OP has basically dropped Arfield/JBG for Wells and pushed Lowton forward.
As both our FBs are getting forward more than they used to we are more flexible anyway.
I'll leave it to SD for the forseeable future.

summitclaret wrote:Our inability to create much at home and score/win has concerned me for ages. Maybe the time has come to try something different. Something that allows us to keep our defensive strength, but provide more of a threat at the other end.

So for the next few homes games I would like us to try this system/team.

Pope

Tarks Mee Ward

Lowton Defour Cork Hendrick Brady

Wells Wood

Thoughts?

Maybe not to start with, but if we're losing a game....

summitclaret wrote:Our inability to create much at home and score/win has concerned me for ages

I can only assume you are far too easily concerned. Sit back and enjoy it - we're 8th in the Premier League.

If we had got off to a great start at home, there would be some posters writing "We're due a downturn in form...it can't last!"

Ask Michael Keane if he thinks that's a good idea.

we need to play 4 across the back, ok mix and match midfield and up top a little, but why risk what we are good at, and for now lets enjoy being in 8th and let mr. dyche do his job

Bring in ABC as our attacking advisor

I can't believe just how easily lead some people are. It is just the latest "fad" in football management, because it was successful for one club, everyone now suddenly thinks they have to play 3 at the back.

Just like the 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 of a couple of seasons ago / last season. Soon another foreign "genius" will "re-invent" the 4-4-2 and suddenly everyone will be back to doing that again.

Lets play to our strengths which at the moment I believe is the 4-5-1 Dyche has been favouring with the option of a potential 4-4-2 once Wells is fit.

Don’t get this mediocre Home form issue to be honest. We started last year with a loss, a win, a draw and a win. This year it’s L,W,D,D so not a huge difference (-2prs). Also our points v West Ham and West Brom at home is the same as last year. Let’s see how the Home form pans out.

People need to relax and enjoy the ride.

So you are thinking of playing Thoughts as a lone striker then? We will never get away with that.

I think the following can be at best described as mediocre form, but maybe I am too hard to please. I am certainly not a happy clapper.

Home results since we beat Leicester on 31/01/2017

Chelsea D
LIncoln L Cup
Spurs L
Stoke W
MU L
WBA D
WHU L
WBA L
CP W
Leeds L (On pens) Cup
Hudds D
WHU D

That' is home ratios of:-

win 17%
loss 50%
draw 33%

If extrapolated over a full season it would get us about 16 points at home. Which would mean that we woud have to get 24 points at away to be safe. That is nearly 4x what we got away last season.

Can't be arsed to assess goals scored, but it ain't many.

summitclaret wrote:I think the following can be at best described as mediocre form, but maybe I am too hard to please. I am certainly not a happy clapper.

Home results since we beat Leicester on 31/01/2017

Chelsea D
LIncoln L Cup
Spurs L
Stoke W
MU L
WBA D
WHU L
WBA L
CP W
Leeds L (On pens) Cup
Hudds D
WHU D

That' is home ratios of:-

win 17%
loss 50%
draw 33%

If extrapolated over a full season it would get us about 16 points at home. Which would mean that we woud have to get 24 points at away to be safe. That is nearly 4x what we got away last season.

Can't be arsed to assess goals scored, but it ain't many.

What's the point of extrapolating: at this point in time; if you get your numbers wrong (where the hell did you get 16 pts from?); and take no account of results away from home?

Without looking back and my memory isn't always the best but didn't we only play WBA at home once last season? You have us both drawing and losing to them?

summitclaret wrote:I think the following can be at best described as mediocre form, but maybe I am too hard to please. I am certainly not a happy clapper.

Home results since we beat Leicester on 31/01/2017

Chelsea D
LIncoln L Cup
Spurs L
Stoke W
MU L
WBA D
WHU L
WBA L
CP W
Leeds L (On pens) Cup
Hudds D
WHU D

That' is home ratios of:-

win 17%
loss 50%
draw 33%

If extrapolated over a full season it would get us about 16 points at home. Which would mean that we woud have to get 24 points at away to be safe. That is nearly 4x what we got away last season.

Can't be arsed to assess goals scored, but it ain't many.

Well, I suppose it means you are not moaning about the away form, so for balance,

Hull D
Swansea L
Liverpool L
Sunderland D
Middlesbrough D
Everton L
Crystal Palace W
Bournemouth L
Chelsea W
Blackburn W
Tottenham D
Liverpool D
Everton W
Man City L

win 29%
loss 36%
draw 36%

thank god you arnt a maths teacher I can prove our form is better than last season for home results.
so lets ignore the Leicester result and concentrate on the league we had 6 home games drew 2 won 1 so 5 pts thats .83 pts at home per game.
win ratio 16% loss 50% draw 34%. This season 4 games won 1 drew 2 lost 1 so 5 pts so 1.25 pts per game with win ratio 25% loss 25% draw 50%
so over the season 22.5 pts at home only need 41 pts to stay up (usually) so away form 18.5 pts required and we have 8 so far and of the 22.5 at home we have 5.
WOW maybe just maybe Sean knows what he is doing we are improving each season UTC

My issue is that our last 12 home games provide strong evidence that we are really struggling to win at home and that whatever we are doing at home needs changing because it ain't working. The simple answer to not creating/scoring enough at home is to play more than 1 striker, get crosses in from the byline, whilst still keeping control of central midfield and without weaking our ability to defend well. Hence my suggested team.

I think SD is a great manager, but even he was behind he curve about getting Mee in at CB and Ward at left back.

summitclaret wrote:My issue is that our last 12 home games provide strong evidence that we are really struggling to win at home and that whatever we are doing at home needs changing because it ain't working. The simple answer to not creating/scoring enough at home is to play more than 1 striker, get crosses in from the byline, whilst still keeping control of central midfield and without weaking our ability to defend well. Hence my suggested team.

I think SD is a great manager, but even he was behind he curve about getting Mee in at CB and Ward at left back.

On your two points, on the first personally I don't agree with your suggested team, particularly Ward as CH and Lowton as RM, and I think your second is just extremely poor for the three reasons mentioned.

As was said last season when everyone was moaning about away form, why does it matter whether we get the points from home or away games as long as we're getting them?

I have a Man City season ticket holding nephew, he was explaining before the game last week how City have gone two at the back which then floods midfield and attack. He challenged me to watch for it and sure enough when they get the ball they are playing just two at the back. May I suggest this plan be added to the daft possibilities (see above) never to be tried for BFC and that SD should stick to what is a very good back 5.

The content brigade is coming out in full and I hope your lack of concern with our home form is correct. However, if we don't change the system, then surely people recognise that we need to get the 1 behind Wood in our current 4411 to be someone better at that role at home than Hendrick. For example Brady or JBG.

summitclaret wrote:My issue is that our last 12 home games provide strong evidence that we are really struggling to win at home and that whatever we are doing at home needs changing because it ain't working.

What a treat we have when it does start working then. With something that doesn’t work we are 8th in the Premier League. Talk about looking for negatives.

summitclaret wrote:The content brigade is coming out in full and I hope your lack of concern with our home form is correct. However, if we don't change the system, then surely people recognise that we need to get the 1 behind Wood in our current 4411 to be someone better at that role at home than Hendrick. For example Brady or JBG.

I didn't mean to like this post.

- I hope our home form will improve
- I think our away form will dip
- I'm part if the content brigade coz we are 8th in the league
- your analysis was poor.

I looking for improvement not negatives. Just imagine where we would be if our home form was better than that of a bottom 6 team because of our amazing away form this season.

We're currently 8th

If you extrapolate every team's results from the first 9 games over the course of a full season (i.e. multiply everyone's points by 4) we finish 8th

That's the problem with this extrapolation thing

Of course if we had won our last 5 games instead of 3 draws 1 win and 1 loss we would be joint top of the prem league.
But due to goal difference we would be 2nd, ohh no thats depressing.
But another thought if Oranges are called Oranges because they are Orange then why arn't Bananas called Yellows ( not forgetting the chlorophyll )

summitclaret wrote:I looking for improvement not negatives. Just imagine where we would be if our home form was better than that of a bottom 6 team because of our amazing away form this season.

You are not. You are looking for and finding any negative you can possibly find. Such as shame you are not enjoying what's happening at our club. Just imagine where we would be had we not had brilliant home form and away form in our two promotion seasons. You are doing nothing other than looking for negatives.

summitclaret wrote:The content brigade is coming out in full and I hope your lack of concern with our home form is correct. However, if we don't change the system, then surely people recognise that we need to get the 1 behind Wood in our current 4411 to be someone better at that role at home than Hendrick. For example Brady or JBG.

I actually feel quite sorry for you. While the rest of us are enjoying what has been a brilliant start to the season, all you can do is concern yourself with home results and formations and accuse those of us who enjoy being 8th in the Premier League as the content brigade. Too bloody true I'm content.

2 wins at home in 9 months isn't a concern, infact I'm just delighted we still have a club to support.

KRBFC wrote:2 wins at home in 9 months isn't a concern, infact I'm just delighted we still have a club to support.

Absolutely.
We need to up our home performance because we certainly can't rely on good results away.

I agree that everyone should be enjoying things overall and that our away form is brilliant. I can't believe that people are enjoying our home games. There is very little to get one off one's seat. A handful of chances in 4 games is poor and just 2 goals against 4 bottom third teams is a worry, unless you are not in the real world.