Everton forum saying that Unsworth has been appointed manager until end of season

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Longsider wrote:Everton forum saying that Unsworth has been appointed manager until end of season

I like David Unsworth, he did a great job for us... but if this is true I think Everton will be in for a long hard season.

I genuinely can't understand why Unsworth is even in the frame. He has literally nothing on his cv to suggest he's qualified for one of the top manager jobs in the country. It'd be like National Express appointing their longest serving driver as chief executive just because he's quite popular with the passengers.

realistically none of us know much about him, of course dim headed barton had to get his ridiculous nose into it by slagging off the blokes weight.
Naturally his new employers at talk ***** were all over it to kick the man when he was down.****.

Unsworth was doing his badges when he was here at Burnley.
He worked with our under 18's and the ones I spoke to talked very highly about him and his coaching.

Just may be he is good enough to keep them up, they can then reassess in the summer.
Dyche will be available on a free then.

Makes me wonder if both Everton and WH are thinking they might get SD at the end of the season.

Dyche is on a rolling contract so the compo has always to be paid

To be honest, this might be a win-win for us.

From our point of view, we want to keep Dyche very minimum til the end of the season. If his stock rises, which I'm sure it will do, and he wants to go after cementing us another year in the PL, we can appoint another manager post season with time to build on the squad.

From a West Ham/Everton/Swansea/Leicester (and to less extent Watford) point of view, they want to make sure that survival is achieved by whatever means and then if so, build on that by looking towards Dyche having solidly proved his capabilities.

All completely hypothetical of course. It only takes Rafa to get the sack at Newcastle and all this worry starts all over again

bfcmartin wrote:Dyche is on a rolling contract so the compo has always to be paid

I could be wrong but I really doubt that's true.

Without seeing the contract it's hard to say, but I would think in a rolling contract both parties can walk away at the end of each season without compensation being paid

His odds have gone shorter lately, around 1/2 or 1/3- so it's looking like something has moved the market. May well be that BFS remains adamant that he won't just do it until the end of the season as a stop-gap and Everton wont commit to that.
Unsworth could get it and do a decent job, he's got a fair few decent players when they're all fit and committed.

I don't think Dychio staying with us was ever in doubt. The way he has spoken about the "group" as he called it over the past couple of weeks, would have meant a U-turn that would dwarfed even that of Coyle.

Good to see that PL managers doing a good job at theoretically lesser and smaller clubs are not being lured away mid-season for a relegation battle at the so-called "bigger clubs". I am sure the speculation over SD's future will intensify in the summer.

Lowbankclaret wrote:I could be wrong but I really doubt that's true.

Without seeing the contract it's hard to say, but I would think in a rolling contract both parties can walk away at the end of each season without compensation being paid

Obviously we don't know but that seems even more unlikely if it's a rolling 12 months in the true sense

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Lowbankclaret wrote:I could be wrong but I really doubt that's true.

Without seeing the contract it's hard to say, but I would think in a rolling contract both parties can walk away at the end of each season without compensation being paid

With a rolling 12 month contract I’d imagine that he is under contract until 8th November 2018 at the moment.

Dont think unny will be a saviour at everton , but i hope the lad gets the job, at least it will keep them away from knocking on the front door of the Dyche residence. He got thrown in at the deep end and has a massive task on his hands but the fans and the club like the big fella, they have played slightly better under his wing, although theres a lot to do i think he will keep them up. Should someone else takes over i think they will struggle, not that i care much but good luck unny !!!!

evensteadiereddie wrote:I don't think Dychio staying with us was ever in doubt. The way he has spoken about the "group" as he called it over the past couple of weeks, would have meant a U-turn that would dwarfed even that of Coyle.

how long have we got him for ? till May

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:With a rolling 12 month contract I’d imagine that he is under contract until 8th November 2018 at the moment.

I would suggest a rolling 12 month contract means June to June, when both parties sit down and agree to another year or not.

But you could be right, not sure how it benefits either party.

That would be a 12 month contract. If it's rolling it's normally for the next 12 months at any point in time.

Lowbankclaret wrote:Dyche will be available on a free then.

He won’t. He’s on a rolling contract so never reaches that point where he’s free to go.

As for Unsworth. They are clearly looking for a manager until end of season so they can then bring in Silva or Simione.

ClaretTony wrote:He won’t. He’s on a rolling contract so never reaches that point where he’s free to go.

As for Unsworth. They are clearly looking for a manager until end of season so they can then bring in Silva or Simione.

I agree. If they really wanted Dyche, gentlemen's agreement about poaching notwithstanding, then they would have gone for him. I reckon that Kenwright and Moshiri can't agree who they want and have picked Unsworth as a compromise. Then in summer they can get the big name that Moshiri wants and the experienced candidate that suits Kenwright - ie. Silva or Simeone. And I don't care which.

There is no gentlemen’s agreement

ClaretTony wrote:There is no gentlemen’s agreement

There must be, how else have West Ham been forced to appoint David Moyes?

So he's on a never ending contract. No escape unless sacked or someone pays 2.5 million for him.

Not sure he thought that one through.

Well done Burnley for getting him to sign that.

Lowbankclaret wrote:So he's on a never ending contract. No escape unless sacked or someone pays 2.5 million for him.

Not sure he thought that one through.

Well done Burnley for getting him to sign that.

No, in a year's rolling contract either party can give notice that the year stops rolling. So it's like signing a new 1-year contract every day.

ClaretTony wrote:There is no gentlemen’s agreement

There is Boden confirmed it

Lowbankclaret wrote:Not sure he thought that one through.

Well done Burnley for getting him to sign that.

Wasn't this type of contract Sean Dyche's idea?

That will work in football, not.

Dyche working a years notice or a year on gardening leave.

I am not getting the benefit for him, he is always a year from getting a new job unless 2.5 million is paid.

Seriously I still think it will be summer to summer or all the benefits are on the clubs side. He is cleverer than that.

Presumably he agreed it on the basis he'd get a decent amount of compensation in the event he got sacked.

Steve Coppell used to be on a rolling contract at Reading, it was summer to summer.

When he was being linked with Palace early in the summer it was reported that they'd have to pay 12 months compensation. A rolling 12 month contract is usually just that.

KRBFC wrote:There is Boden confirmed it

On above logic. Rolling contract and gentlemans agreement Dyche can never leave us for a Premier League club.

I'll drink to that!

Lowbankclaret wrote:Steve Coppell used to be on a rolling contract at Reading, it was summer to summer.

It wasn't a rolling contract then. It was a 12-month contract which he renewed each summer.

Edit - I have no idea what contract SD is on, or even whether rolling contracts are a thing for football managers, but you seem to be struggling with the definition here.

Lowbankclaret wrote:So he's on a never ending contract. No escape unless sacked or someone pays 2.5 million for him.

Not sure he thought that one through.

Well done Burnley for getting him to sign that.

He’s on a one year rolling contract. Lot of managers are now on that kind of contract. I’d say he and his advisors have very definitely thought it through.

If there is a £2.5million compo clause it would be a reasonable guess that SD is on £50k/week

KRBFC wrote:There is Boden confirmed it

There is no agreement - Everton have already tried to bring in Marco Silva.

Lowbankclaret wrote:That will work in football, not.

Dyche working a years notice or a year on gardening leave.

I am not getting the benefit for him, he is always a year from getting a new job unless 2.5 million is paid.

Seriously I still think it will be summer to summer or all the benefits are on the clubs side. He is cleverer than that.

With your example neither side have any security beyond the end of the season though, both parties would be better signing a three year contract with a get out clause built in. I really can’t see it being a one year contract signed every year.

Lowbankclaret wrote:Steve Coppell used to be on a rolling contract at Reading, it was summer to summer.

It wasn’t and neither is Dyche’s. Rolling contracts don’t terminate at the end of the season.

Dyche signed a two and a half year contract when he first joined us but his next deal was signed after the first promotion. He’s been on a rolling contract ever since which means if we want to terminate it at any time he’s entitled to a year’s pay and if he wants to terminate it to join another club there is an agreed clause that would allow him to move on for whatever figure is in that clause.

mdd2 wrote:If there is a £2.5million compo clause it would be a reasonable guess that SD is on £50k/week

It would be a very wild guess. I can’t imagine the compo figure relates to his salary. I’d certainly expect it to be considerably higher than his salary figure.

ClaretTony wrote:It would be a very wild guess. I can’t imagine the compo figure relates to his salary. I’d certainly expect it to be considerably higher than his salary figure.

So why pay him 2.5 mill to buy him out of his contract if we sack him when it is a 12 month contract? Stands to reason we pay him a years wages?

2.5 mill is nothing, he is the clubs most vital asset.Far more valuable than the millions players are worth. Lose Keane and Ings and we hardly notice, lose Dyche and its a totally different story.

I don't understand, if they give it Unsworth why not just keep Koeman.

ClaretTony wrote:It would be a very wild guess. I can’t imagine the compo figure relates to his salary. I’d certainly expect it to be considerably higher than his salary figure.

Then any other prem club will pay higher

Greenmile wrote:It wasn't a rolling contract then. It was a 12-month contract which he renewed each summer.

Edit - I have no idea what contract SD is on, or even whether rolling contracts are a thing for football managers, but you seem to be struggling with the definition here.

Nope not struggling.

If I was a rising person in a profession that sacks people at the drop of a hat. I would not sign a contract that holds me into 12 months to them.

Looks like I am obviously wrong but his advisers need sacking. IMHO

I’m sure he’s bright enough not to agree to it if it doesn’t benefit him.

Lowbankclaret wrote:Nope not struggling.

If I was a rising person in a profession that sacks people at the drop of a hat. I would not sign a contract that holds me into 12 months to them.

Looks like I am obviously wrong but his advisers need sacking. IMHO

You'd want a shorter contract? With less compensation if you were sacked?

Lowbankclaret wrote:Nope not struggling.

If I was a rising person in a profession that sacks people at the drop of a hat. I would not sign a contract that holds me into 12 months to them.

Looks like I am obviously wrong but his advisers need sacking. IMHO

You’re on the windup here, right?

Nixon seems to think that Dyche is on very good terms here

I'd be surprised if Dyche isn't on at least £2m p.a., and quite possibly (if the £2.5m exit clause is correct) £2.5m. For one thing, he's apparently sugned three new contracts in his five years, the most recent one last summer - and by now, he can surely write down his terms and present them to the Board; and unless he takes the michael, the Board will accept them. And for another, I'd be astonished if there isn't a clause to say Dyche gets paid at least as much as the highest paid player. (There certainly would be if I was Dyche, or for that matter if I was on the Board of Directors.)

Dyche is no fool; he knows his worth. The Board aren't fools; they know Dyche's worth. He'll surely be on a very comparable salary by non-top-six standards.

Archer wrote:You’re on the windup here, right?

No not really.

The benefit is all on the clubs side.

Currently I have been offered several jobs with up to 8-9k more a year than I earn now. However my pension uplift is about 15 k a year meaning I am stuck in my current job.

The contract you all think SD is on, ties him to the club more than I think he is cleaver enough to sign up to.

As always I could be way wrong and will accept that in the future if I am wrong

mybloodisclaret wrote:So why pay him 2.5 mill to buy him out of his contract if we sack him when it is a 12 month contract? Stands to reason we pay him a years wages?

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure the club wishing to employ Dyche whilst under contract would have to pay the £2.5m compensation to release him from his contract. Not sure why Dyche’s salary would have any bearing on that figure.