Winger replacements

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:27 pm

With Brady looking to be out for a while, who do you think we could bring in, maybe look at Snodgrass or Grosiki again?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:29 pm

Promote from within maybe? Some on here weren't happy with his efforts anyway.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:30 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:With Brady looking to be out for a while, who do you think we could bring in, maybe look at Snodgrass or Grosiki again?

Can't bring anyone in until January and I wouldn't imagine we'd be looking at either of those two. Lennon was the one we were keen on in August but he's back in the Everton team just now.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:32 pm

I can't see us going back in for Grosiki. I think what's likely to happen is he'll stick with Arfield until someone such as Taylor shows that he's a better option. Dyche isn't likely to suddenly start someone like Taylor left-mid without making sub appearances for Arfield, first, unfortunately. It'll take a few games before Arfield is replaced.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:34 pm

I hope we aren't looking at any of the 3 mentioned here.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:37 pm

Wells or Taylor from in the team. Don't think arfield is good enough unfortunatel. Hendrick has played out wide for ireland.

In January: I've said on the other thread but I'll say again:
I'd like a CAM/Winger - almost like JBG. Someone who could do a good job for us on the wing and when Brady comes back could challenge Hendrick in the CAM position.

I have also said this before but I'll say it again - Flourine Andone would be a great signing.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:38 pm

tim_noone wrote:Promote from within maybe? Some on here weren't happy with his efforts anyway.

About 2 weeks ago there were people on here suggesting he was a bad signing.

In a week he is injured and we have a crisis.

SD, will have a plan

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:42 pm

Step forward Mr Walters.......

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:43 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:About 2 weeks ago there were people on here suggesting he was a bad signing.

I’m a week he is injured and we have a crisis.

SD, will have a plan

Maybe some on here were clueless. He's a very important player for us despite one or two thinking he's rubbish and so we do have a bit of a crisis unless we sign someone in January.
That's if he is badly injured.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:45 pm

I don't remember people saying he was rubbish, but I remember posters saying he was lacking consistency and that was why he was here and not at a bigger club.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:45 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:Maybe some on here were clueless. He's a very important player for us despite one or two thinking he's rubbish and so we do have a bit of a crisis unless we sign someone in January.
That's if he is badly injured.

Agreed

We have options though, it’s time for someone else to get a chance

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:46 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:About 2 weeks ago there were people on here suggesting he was a bad signing.

I’m a week he is injured and we have a crisis.

SD, will have a plan

Indeed they were...

and Sean dyche having a plan B as evolved with the team.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:51 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I don't remember people saying he was rubbish, but I remember posters saying he was lacking consistency and that was why he was here and not at a bigger club.

And your consistent with your facts.on this occasion your correct.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:17 am

We are going to miss him that's for sure
His deliveries are top notch his link up play was starting to build our midfield engine room and he's free kicks and goals he scores are special.
Was just turning the screw into the Robbie Brady we craved for.
This month is essential with games coming thick and fast we certainly could have done without losing his abilities that he brings to the team.
When he went off we lost a lot of our creative play and we will certainly lose him in our set peice department.
Hope it's not to long term we thankfully have accumulated a nice gap with our points on board and we have what looks like a nice run of games to come which could lessen the blow.
I am sure Mr Dyche will work something out and Marney's return might just a company something of a help with a shuffty round a bit we will work on it and be reight UTC

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:20 am

Lets hope the gap widens against Watford next week...they're no mugs.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:24 am

Maybe one for the future more but would like us to go in for the young lad at Norwich Maddison. Seen him a few times and looks a real prospect. Plus with Norwich stating this week if promotion wasnt achieved this year serious changes would need to be made. Maybe pich him up for 3/4 million.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:43 am

with brady out of the team, we will lose our shape fairly quickly. this is a bit of a crisis I'm afraid. Key player and no mistake.

OrientMascot · Post by **OrientMascot** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:52 am

Calm the **** down. He’s not been that good! Got better over the last 3/4 games granted and will be missed but we’re not a one trick pony.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:59 am

Jarred Bowen from Hull, young direct and has double digits atm in a struggling Hull side.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:40 am

Last season I would say Arfield was a shoe in next week, it'll be interesting to see what Dyche does as I think he's been a bit braver in terms of selection this season.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:58 am

Pritchard at Norwich.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:52 am

JBG, Defour, Westwood, Cork, Hendrick as a five across the middle wouldn't be too bad.
Taylor could always come in at LB and play;
Ward, Defour, Cork, JBG,
Hendrick,
Wood.
Just two of many combinations that would be quite workable.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:08 am

We have to look at these bad incidents as an opportunity to improve the team, not weaken it, so now we have three across the middle I would get Florin Andone and put him in there. He is a striker but one who plays out wide a lot, and he seems to have the energy to cover back. At a guess he would cost £20m.

One thing is for sure we need to retain the dynamic attacking edge we have had, which means our flair players combine, we get the best out of Gudmundsson when Brady is an option too, Brady was involved in most of our goals, even the ones he didn’t officially “assist”.

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:15 am

Walters will hopefully be fit soon. He seems the obvious choice.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:48 am

We need a fit Wells for Brady's position.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:26 am

We could always try and get Georgie back. He should be fit in January.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:30 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:We have to look at these bad incidents as an opportunity to improve the team, not weaken it, so now we have three across the middle I would get Florin Andone and put him in there. He is a striker but one who plays out wide a lot, and he seems to have the energy to cover back. At a guess he would cost £20m.

One thing is for sure we need to retain the dynamic attacking edge we have had, which means our flair players combine, we get the best out of Gudmundsson when Brady is an option too, Brady was involved in most of our goals, even the ones he didn’t officially “assist”.

100% agree. Break our transfer record for andone. He can play out wide, and when Brady is back can challenge Hendrick for that CAM position as he seems like that kind of player - he's very similar to Ings. He's fairly quick, creative, very skilful and has a bit of flaire.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:36 am

No Ney Never wrote:JBG, Defour, Westwood, Cork, Hendrick as a five across the middle wouldn't be too bad.
Taylor could always come in at LB and play;
Ward, Defour, Cork, JBG,
Hendrick,
Wood.
Just two of many combinations that would be quite workable.

100% that ^^^^^^^^^^

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:40 am

No Ney Never wrote:JBG, Defour, Westwood, Cork, Hendrick as a five across the middle wouldn't be too bad.
Taylor could always come in at LB and play;
Ward, Defour, Cork, JBG,
Hendrick,
Wood.
Just two of many combinations that would be quite workable.

Ward on the right wing?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:53 am

beddie wrote:We need a fit Wells for Brady's position.

wells is a striker ...

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:54 am

claretandy wrote:wells is a striker ...

Who can play wide in a 433

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:57 am

Walton wrote:Ward on the right wing?

That would make for interesting tactics, but no, it's just the way you're reading it.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:05 am

No Ney Never wrote:That would make for interesting tactics, but no, it's just the way you're reading it.

I'm reading it the way you've written it, with Hendrick and then Wood ahead of midfield.

Or are you proposing Hendrick plays defensive midfield and Wood plays sweeper?

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:12 am

Grosiki??? A Big gamble

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:20 am

The Enclosure wrote:Grosiki??? A Big gamble

No way. Simply not good enough, young enough. He's played in Sngland for almost a year yet he's still be a gamble. I think we should take a calculated risk on someone foreign. Someone young. Like Andone but he may be too pricey. Grosiki hasn't been great and has a bad attitude apparently.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:29 am

Completely baffled by the lengths some people will go to to avoid getting Arfield into the team. He's the natural replacement for Brady, he's played 50-odd Premier League games for us, and he was man of the match in one if not both of our away games he played at Spurs and Liverpool earlier in the season.

He's not the ideal man for that wide role in our 4-5-1 because he likes to drift infield and lacks a yard of pace that Brady has, but he's a good solid player and he deserves the chance to play in a really good, slick Burnley team because his movement is terrific and we've never fully capitalised on it because we haven't had passers in midfield as good as Defour and Cork before.

We're into a run of home games against teams who will come to Burnley and open out - Watford, Stoke, Spurs and Liverpool to take us into the new year - and so I think there's a fair argument that we'll be less hampered by Arfield replacing Brady in those games than in those games previously against teams like Swansea and Newcastle who came to defend, and he's also more than good enough to do the job in away games at Brighton and Huddersfield.

Of course this is an area we will need to strengthen in the January transfer window, but for now we're lucky to have as reliable and consistent a performer as Arfield to step in, and I also agree that Wells is another potential option should we want to inject more attacking threat into the team. All is not lost.

upanatem · Post by **upanatem** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:36 am

claretspice wrote:Completely baffled by the lengths some people will go to to avoid getting Arfield into the team. He's the natural replacement for Brady, he's played 50-odd Premier League games for us, and he was man of the match in one if not both of our away games he played at Spurs and Liverpool earlier in the season.

He's not the ideal man for that wide role in our 4-5-1 because he likes to drift infield and lacks a yard of pace that Brady has, but he's a good solid player and he deserves the chance to play in a really good, slick Burnley team because his movement is terrific and we've never fully capitalised on it because we haven't had passers in midfield as good as Defour and Cork before.

We're into a run of home games against teams who will come to Burnley and open out - Watford, Stoke, Spurs and Liverpool to take us into the new year - and so I think there's a fair argument that we'll be less hampered by Arfield replacing Brady in those games than in those games previously against teams like Swansea and Newcastle who came to defend, and he's also more than good enough to do the job in away games at Brighton and Huddersfield.

Of course this is an area we will need to strengthen in the January transfer window, but for now we're lucky to have as reliable and consistent a performer as Arfield to step in, and I also agree that Wells is another potential option should we want to inject more attacking threat into the team. All is not lost.

Spice, you argue the case well for Arfield. Yesterday against Leicester he had the opportunity to do exactly as you suggest. But, from what I saw, he was very much the weak link in the side. He had nowhere near the penetration of Brady.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:50 am

upanatem wrote:Spice, you argue the case well for Arfield. Yesterday against Leicester he had the opportunity to do exactly as you suggest. But, from what I saw, he was very much the weak link in the side. He had nowhere near the penetration of Brady.

Maybe - but lets be fair. Firstly, starting games is very different to coming on as sub and having to pick up the pace of the game. Arfield is generally one of those players who has rarely shown his best as a sub - its a skill and some players are better at it than others (Barnes is one who excels at it). Secondly, that was his first serious football in nearly 2 months. Are we really therefore expecting him to hit his straps immediately? Really?

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:46 am

Big fan of Scotty's and we know he will never let us down in terms of commitment and work rate but just don't think he has that same creative flair that Robbie has bought to the team recently in addition to those same attributes.

Fair comment about Scotty not being at his best from the bench though and maybe with a few starts under his belt he'll do ok if indeed it is SD's intention to start with him in 5 man midfield for the foreseeable.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:05 pm

I hope the club are looking for potential cover for Brady but we have 5 or 6 games before a newbie can land so the priority must be to shuffle the squad first. If that works then no need to buy a winger in January and money can be spent on original targets

In the squad we have Marney Wells Walters and a versatile Hendrick. Maybe there is a solution among these players. There has to be for rest of December, then let’s see.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:09 pm

Walton wrote:I'm reading it the way you've written it, with Hendrick and then Wood ahead of midfield.

Or are you proposing Hendrick plays defensive midfield and Wood plays sweeper?

You are either being a bit of a d*ck this morning or being pedantic? I'll guess at pedantic. Surely you are capable of working it out without me having to write it as an exact formation.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:10 pm

The solution is Taylor. Just wait and see.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:26 pm

Vintage Claret wrote:Big fan of Scotty's and we know he will never let us down in terms of commitment and work rate but just don't think he has that same creative flair that Robbie has bought to the team recently in addition to those same attributes.

Fair comment about Scotty not being at his best from the bench though and maybe with a few starts under his belt he'll do ok if indeed it is SD's intention to start with him in 5 man midfield for the foreseeable.

He won't replace the delivery and tricksiness of Brady, that's for sure. But he has plenty of qualities, he uses the ball well and one thing he will do that may help us occasionally is get into the box and into goalscoring positions. You can make an argument that some times, the one criticism you can make of us this is season is we've not got enough men into goalscoring positions.

I still maintain Arfield is unfairly maligned and overlooked by Burnley fans. He's better equipped to be our first option in that wide position than any of Taylor, Wells or Walters who have been mentioned on this thread and who might be able to do a job out wide, albeit playing out of position. And the idea that playing Hendrick or Marney rank out of position rather than playing Arfield is bizarre. Scotty deserves the chance to show what he can do in a side in which JBG, Cork and Defour are all on song and making us a completely different proposition in possession to any other Burnley team Arfield's played in.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:15 pm

claretspice wrote:He won't replace the delivery and tricksiness of Brady, that's for sure. But he has plenty of qualities, he uses the ball well and one thing he will do that may help us occasionally is get into the box and into goalscoring positions. You can make an argument that some times, the one criticism you can make of us this is season is we've not got enough men into goalscoring positions.

I still maintain Arfield is unfairly maligned and overlooked by Burnley fans. He's better equipped to be our first option in that wide position than any of Taylor, Wells or Walters who have been mentioned on this thread and who might be able to do a job out wide, albeit playing out of position. And the idea that playing Hendrick or Marney rank out of position rather than playing Arfield is bizarre. Scotty deserves the chance to show what he can do in a side in which JBG, Cork and Defour are all on song and making us a completely different proposition in possession to any other Burnley team Arfield's played in.

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Sorry Claretspice but I think playing alongside the likes of JBG, Cork and Defour will highlight how woefully out of his depth Arfield is at this level. I know you'll defend him to the hilt but in his four and and a half years with us I've not seen anything to suggest he is capable of playing regularly at this level. The fact that it looks like we are willing to let him leave for nothing this summer suggests even Dyche has maybe lost a bit of faith in him. I realise there's a chance that Scotty might play out of his skin the next few weeks and make me look stupid!

Mansfield-Claret · Post by **Mansfield-Claret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:26 pm

taylor job done and next please

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:33 pm

claretspice wrote:He won't replace the delivery and tricksiness of Brady, that's for sure. But he has plenty of qualities, he uses the ball well and one thing he will do that may help us occasionally is get into the box and into goalscoring positions. You can make an argument that some times, the one criticism you can make of us this is season is we've not got enough men into goalscoring positions.

I still maintain Arfield is unfairly maligned and overlooked by Burnley fans. He's better equipped to be our first option in that wide position than any of Taylor, Wells or Walters who have been mentioned on this thread and who might be able to do a job out wide, albeit playing out of position. And the idea that playing Hendrick or Marney rank out of position rather than playing Arfield is bizarre. Scotty deserves the chance to show what he can do in a side in which JBG, Cork and Defour are all on song and making us a completely different proposition in possession to any other Burnley team Arfield's played in.

All fair points.
But I can't help thinking that Arfield did his best work in a midfield four, and not in a really wide position.
I would be very surprised, however, if SD doesn't put Scot in as a direct replacement for robbie next weekend.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:34 pm

jrgbfc wrote:.

Sorry Claretspice but I think playing alongside the likes of JBG, Cork and Defour will highlight how woefully out of his depth Arfield is at this level. I know you'll defend him to the hilt but in his four and and a half years with us I've not seen anything to suggest he is capable of playing regularly at this level. The fact that it looks like we are willing to let him leave for nothing this summer suggests even Dyche has maybe lost a bit of faith in him. I realise there's a chance that Scotty might play out of his skin the next few weeks and make me look stupid!

The first but by no means only issue with this is that I'm virtually certain we weren't willing to let Arfield leave for free. I think you've made that up.

Was Arfield out of his depth when he was MOTM at Spurs?

Boatshed - valid observation that Arfield may be more comfortable wide in a 4 than a 5, although given the fluidity with which we've attacked in the last two or three games would mitigate that.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:41 pm

Of course we’ll miss Brady as he was starting to come good .that said Westwood is an excellent midfielder ,Wells is around ,Taylor etc ,though Taylor is a left back and will in time be a cracking replacemt for Ward.

While Scotty will never let us down he really doesn’t create at this level and yesterday we quickly turned into “Burnley 2016/2017” dogged but very limited .

When we’re 100% we’ve shown we can compete with the best ,though our general lack of speed and creativity really shows when we lose a “ main cog” like RB.That said we do have a few options which we quite simply didn’t last season and surely money to spend in the window ?

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:41 pm

Listening to Saints Bournmouth.

James Ward Prouse a player I rate highly, 23 and excellent at set pieces. Criminal he's only got about 350 minutes this season, should try and poach him with the promise of regular game time.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:45 pm

The fact that we haven't offered him a contract extension yet and it expires this summer suggests to me he'll be on his way. Dyche usually doesn't let them get into their final year if it's someone he wants to keep.