Time to buy in the young blood
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Time to buy in the young blood
The club has never had a better opportunity to tempt in young players of talent to secure our future for the next few years. Let's hope the recruitment squad have been busy scouring the land and even Europe?
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Re: Time to buy in the young blood
I think We have always looked to try and bring in young blood. Yes we may look more appealing looking at the table but I don't think SD will up or lower the intensity of scouting based on that. They will know the targets for the next transfer window already.
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Have any players been developed from the ''development squad'' yet
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I give it a couple of hours at the most.
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On this thread abc you're championing the idea of buying in young talent. . And on your other thread advocating shipping young talent out on loan..
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The two are compatible.Woonderbah wrote:On this thread abc you're championing the idea of buying in young talent. . And on your other thread advocating shipping young talent out on loan..
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Hold on, are you saying we should be shopping in Europe despite all your previous guff stating we aren't good enough to do so?
Ha well played Mr Two Faced.
Ha well played Mr Two Faced.
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There was a hint of irony there Sidney, but yes for young players who have been researched I have no problem.
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Why don't you nip down to Gawthorpe and tell em?
I'm sure they won't have considered this for a moment yet.
I'm sure they won't have considered this for a moment yet.
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Just shush, you don't want us to buy from abroad, you've made that perfectly clear over the last few transfer windows, and you're probably one of the few who're gutted that Defour has ended up being a quality player for usablueclaret wrote:There was a hint of irony there Sidney, but yes for young players who have been researched I have no problem.
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If only we could.
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He is right, we do need to buy in younger players, BUT it's laughable that there's a mention of Europe.
Plus he's no idea what our current crop our like.
Plus he's no idea what our current crop our like.
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This is not just about development players but players like Taylor who will be pushing for a place in the side
Ideally these players should be squad players who don't have to ply their trade in the outer wilderness of the development squad, looking in but never finding the entrance door.
As for European players yes if we have the scouting network (Belgian Claret) in place we should be looking to recruit young players with potential.
I was against European imports because we were so woeful at recruitment, I'm delighted Defour is now a great success after a touch and go season. My concern about him was not his skill which was not in doubt but whether he would fit into the lifestyle and how big an impact his injuries would have. Thankfully both concerns have now become unimportant.
Ideally these players should be squad players who don't have to ply their trade in the outer wilderness of the development squad, looking in but never finding the entrance door.
As for European players yes if we have the scouting network (Belgian Claret) in place we should be looking to recruit young players with potential.
I was against European imports because we were so woeful at recruitment, I'm delighted Defour is now a great success after a touch and go season. My concern about him was not his skill which was not in doubt but whether he would fit into the lifestyle and how big an impact his injuries would have. Thankfully both concerns have now become unimportant.
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By young I'm talking up to 25, which gives 3 years until many footballers reach their prime, although of course the very best have often peaked some time before.
There must be a lot of frustrated young players in the top 6 squads that we could provide a home for, who up until now might, despite Mee Trippier and Keane, have looked on us unfavourably. They must now see us as the back door to a successful career and way into international football. I hope we are making full use of that approach.
There must be a lot of frustrated young players in the top 6 squads that we could provide a home for, who up until now might, despite Mee Trippier and Keane, have looked on us unfavourably. They must now see us as the back door to a successful career and way into international football. I hope we are making full use of that approach.
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I agree. Chelsea/City etc get a hard time with the amount of young players they have/let go. But for us it's fantastic. They've been brought up on big club ethics, determination to be the best and whilst not being good enough for bigger clubs they could be for us. There are plenty more Keanes and Mees out there!
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Taylor?
He knows he has to wait, but he's patient enough and it's working for him.
You fail to understand that Dyche in all likelihood makes it clear that a player may have to wait when they sign and players are still signing...
Yes we all know about young players at the bigger squads, but some are on ridiculous wages already and aren't worth the money in all fairness when we can pick up better or more seasoned players for less in wages and/or transfer fees.
He knows he has to wait, but he's patient enough and it's working for him.
You fail to understand that Dyche in all likelihood makes it clear that a player may have to wait when they sign and players are still signing...
Yes we all know about young players at the bigger squads, but some are on ridiculous wages already and aren't worth the money in all fairness when we can pick up better or more seasoned players for less in wages and/or transfer fees.
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I criticised the purchase of Bardsley and Walters because I thought we should recruit younger players.
Some might argue Bardsley was an astute signing and has saved us from a dip in form, but for me he isn't the way forward and I would have preferred to see a young challenger to Lowton.
Signing older players on relatively long contracts concerns me.
Some might argue Bardsley was an astute signing and has saved us from a dip in form, but for me he isn't the way forward and I would have preferred to see a young challenger to Lowton.
Signing older players on relatively long contracts concerns me.
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He came to us with experience of the PL that you can't just go out and buy with nearly 250 PL appearances before we signed him.ablueclaret wrote:I criticised the purchase of Bardsley and Walters because I thought we should recruit younger players.
Some might argue Bardsley was an astute signing and has saved us from a dip in form, but for me he isn't the way forward and I would have preferred to see a young challenger to Lowton.
Signing older players on relatively long contracts concerns me.
He's an upgrade on Darikwa, has slotted straight in and is a steady head from what I saw at Brighton and Bournemouth games.
He's also only on a 2 yr contract, hardly bank busting.
Walters can provide the same when he's fit again.
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If you actually went games you would have seen on Saturday the difference between Bardsley & Taylor.
For a full debutant Taylor had a pretty decent game especially considering he was up against the very slippery Knokeart, however Bardsley was more composed and more tuned in to the speed of the EPL game. He also drew on his experience & made a pretty amazing goal line clearance. He looked more effective going forward as well.
Unfortunately the EPL isn't a place to blood rookies any more unless they are exceptionally talented and have similar players around them.
For a full debutant Taylor had a pretty decent game especially considering he was up against the very slippery Knokeart, however Bardsley was more composed and more tuned in to the speed of the EPL game. He also drew on his experience & made a pretty amazing goal line clearance. He looked more effective going forward as well.
Unfortunately the EPL isn't a place to blood rookies any more unless they are exceptionally talented and have similar players around them.
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Re: Time to buy in the young blood
I also agree with ablue on this one - now we have decent money available I would prefer us to purchase younger players with a decent reputation that will hopefully have some re-sale value.
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The idea you can't blood youngsters in the Premier League is nonsense, yes of course they will have ups and downs but the whole point of having a framework is to allow players time to develop. Taylor like Mee Tarka and Keane before him will gradually find his feet and develop into a player with a good future.
Bardsley may give us 2-3 good years if we are lucky but beyond that? The older the player the more likely they are to become injury prone.
Bardsley may give us 2-3 good years if we are lucky but beyond that? The older the player the more likely they are to become injury prone.
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Hold on, you've just said we need to send Taylor out on loan..
As for Bardsley, he's a back up on a 2 yr deal.
That's all we need from him, so stop whining about it.
You've never really understood what Dyche does with his transfers you're always at odds with it regardless of what he does and yet we are still in the upper echelons of the PL surprisingly.
As for Bardsley, he's a back up on a 2 yr deal.
That's all we need from him, so stop whining about it.
You've never really understood what Dyche does with his transfers you're always at odds with it regardless of what he does and yet we are still in the upper echelons of the PL surprisingly.
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Seems a bit of a non-statement. Obviously we want to buy good young players, so does everybody else.
We need to continue to buy better players than we have, both young and older.
Only difference this season is signing for Burnley is a bigger deal than any other year for the player.
It's always nice to have a young player, but how many of those good young players stay with us more than 3 years, so Bardsley for 2-3 years is no different in terms of what we get, just different in profit.
We need to continue to buy better players than we have, both young and older.
Only difference this season is signing for Burnley is a bigger deal than any other year for the player.
It's always nice to have a young player, but how many of those good young players stay with us more than 3 years, so Bardsley for 2-3 years is no different in terms of what we get, just different in profit.
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I think the number one priority each year is getting in players who can help us stay up. There is so much money involved each season that the short term has to be prioritised over the long term. Phil Bardsley, for example, has been an excellent acquisition for that very reason. It will certainly be a good idea to buy in young players and develop them, but as has been said already that is easier said than done. The way the finances are stacked these days, the next season has to be the overwhelming priority.
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We have young blood in Ageyi Long O'Neill and Ginnelly yet loan them out rather than use them as subs.
It's difficult to break through for our youngsters but patience is a key for them and this is the dilemma.
Kevin Long had to wait years to get in and looks ready.
It's difficult to break through for our youngsters but patience is a key for them and this is the dilemma.
Kevin Long had to wait years to get in and looks ready.
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Exactly, we are regularly adding young players to the development squad.Woodleyclaret wrote:We have young blood in Ageyi Long O'Neill and Ginnelly yet loan them out rather than use them as subs.
It's difficult to break through for our youngsters but patience is a key for them and this is the dilemma.
Kevin Long had to wait years to get in and looks ready.
Whether they can make the grade at EPL level is a bit of an issue, though.
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He waited years because he was either injured or not good enough.Woodleyclaret wrote:We have young blood in Ageyi Long O'Neill and Ginnelly yet loan them out rather than use them as subs.
It's difficult to break through for our youngsters but patience is a key for them and this is the dilemma.
Kevin Long had to wait years to get in and looks ready.
He's played well these last couple of games, but he's hardly going to be 1st choice based on that.
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Well he's going to be playing in the next three gamesSidney1st wrote:He waited years because he was either injured or not good enough.
He's played well these last couple of games, but he's hardly going to be 1st choice based on that.
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That's fine if that's the case, but ultimately he hasn't been good enough for years, it wasn't about waiting for his chance as someone bizarrely implied.
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We have had some pretty good centre halves of late and very few injuries. Long remains a decent player who can operate at this level.
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The OP actually makes a valid point - January, and indeed hopefully the summer, ought to give us a real platform to go out and bring in some really bold business.
We did it last January when we brought in Brady - but our league position gives us an opportunity to step up a level this time around.
We did it last January when we brought in Brady - but our league position gives us an opportunity to step up a level this time around.
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Re: Time to buy in the young blood
That's not the point he was making though.claretspice wrote:The OP actually makes a valid point - January, and indeed hopefully the summer, ought to give us a real platform to go out and bring in some really bold business.
We did it last January when we brought in Brady - but our league position gives us an opportunity to step up a level this time around.
He's doing his usual obsessing over a bygone era when Burnley brought in youth from all over the land. Times have changed.
Time to buy in an attacking midfielder/No 10, a centre back and a winger/wide midfielder.
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Isn't the investment into the academy all part of regenerating a conveyor belt of talent, if it's just for the sake of looking professional with no end product then it's a hugely wasteful white elephant.
We are able to think medium term at present for the first time at this level and we need to make use of that window of opportunity.
We are able to think medium term at present for the first time at this level and we need to make use of that window of opportunity.
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It needs TIME to start working though, the academy.ablueclaret wrote:Isn't the investment into the academy all part of regenerating a conveyor belt of talent, if it's just for the sake of looking professional with no end product then it's a hugely wasteful white elephant.
We are able to think medium term at present for the first time at this level and we need to make use of that window of opportunity.
The younger players will be signed, some will be let go and over time the standard will improve.
It may take 5-6yrs yet before regular first team quality players appear.
Chelsea & City hardly produce any of sufficient quality for their first team.
A large number of clubs don't, or do so rarely.
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"Time to buy in an attacking midfielder/No 10, a centre back and a winger/wide midfielder."
It was in the Summer and it certainly is now. Just do it BFC and you may be surprised at how far we can go. Don't do it we could have have peaked. Simples.
I will be very annoyed if we don't use a one in a generation opportunity to get 3 more top players here, as we have another 4/1/2 years of PL money almost guaranteed.
It was in the Summer and it certainly is now. Just do it BFC and you may be surprised at how far we can go. Don't do it we could have have peaked. Simples.
I will be very annoyed if we don't use a one in a generation opportunity to get 3 more top players here, as we have another 4/1/2 years of PL money almost guaranteed.
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I think we should be looking at Chelsea and City lads that haven't quite made it there. Particular those who have been loaned out and done well.
Although currently injured, someone like Chalobah could be a bargin
Although currently injured, someone like Chalobah could be a bargin
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I'm all for attracting young talent to the club but you need some balance.
Without Defour 29 & Cork 28 we most certainly would not be going so great in the prem.
Without Defour 29 & Cork 28 we most certainly would not be going so great in the prem.
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We don’t have balance that’s the whole point. There’s not a single player in the squad under 24 and does anyone seriously think that the likes of Ginnelly and Chris Long are going to be good enough for the PL ?3putt wrote:I'm all for attracting young talent to the club but you need some balance.
Without Defour 29 & Cork 28 we most certainly would not be going so great in the prem.
We do need to invest in some youth that can at least be on the fringes of the first team. January might not be the best time but it’s something that certainly needs to be addressed in summer.
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My choice of word with balance was probably the wrong one. For continued success, in the main we need to carry on sourcing and buying proven talent at relatively low prices - Defour and Cork.SkiptonClaret wrote:We don’t have balance that’s the whole point. There’s not a single player in the squad under 24 and does anyone seriously think that the likes of Ginnelly and Chris Long are going to be good enough for the PL ?
We do need to invest in some youth that can at least be on the fringes of the first team. January might not be the best time but it’s something that certainly needs to be addressed in summer.
Investing in youth is good and any that come through will be the icing on the cake.