Transfer window- How much should we spend?

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:45 am

Or how much should Dyche be given to spend?

Most managers want more money. I am sure Dyche wouldn't say "no I don't want 50 million to spend in Jan, it could ruin the club". Although big wages could upset players earning less

We are more or less guaranteed another massive pot of gold as I cannot see us going down. I would like us to give Dyche 50 million and see what he can do. I don't think that's a huge figure given what we spent in the summer. The problem as always is wages. At some point the cap we have (no idea what it is) needs to be lifted so we can ensure we can attract players.

50 million would give Dyche a pat on the back saying we trust you to spend this and continue improving the club.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:46 am

Mike Garlick be like

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:00 am

It isn't in our DNA to overspend and despite the protestation of fans every window I don't see much activity happening personally.

We don't use 'speedy wingers' but the same requests reappear time after time.

I'll go for under £5m if anything is spent at all.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:03 am

40 mil on 2 players

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:06 am

bet the ranch and go for europe

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:16 am

What would it cost to get a wide man to give support to Arfield and JBG and a 4th choice centre half?

Well, that

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:52 am

i was thinking we may come out of the next window with a small profit.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:18 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:What would it cost to get a wide man to give support to Arfield and JBG and a 4th choice centre half?

Well, that

We have enough squad players. If we spend any money at all it would have to be on a first teamer who then puts the guy he replaces as back up. That's how we get stronger.

Personally I would be trying to get a CAM from one of the big boys on loan for the season. We have the finances to put say 6-8m at it.

Mata
Mkhitaryan
Vlasic
Klassen
Foden

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:25 pm

The answer to the OPs question is, think, whatever we actually need to spend in order to get the two or three signings Dyche really wants to help keep us progressing that don't involve smashing our wage structure.

My guess is that the marquee signing is a wide player - the fact Aaron Lennon was top of our list last deadline day suggests Dyche wanted pace in wide areas too - but it's likely Dyche will want back up at centre back if of the right player is available, and possibly another forward depending on what the view on Walters and Wells is. I did think better back up to Pope might be on the agenda but he's done well enough that we might leave that.

But within the confines of our wage structure, whatever Dyche wants he should get. Transfer fees aren't really an object for us right now and we won't be 6th in the Premier League with this good a manager that often. He's earned the right to pretty much dictate terms this January.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:28 pm

If we want to keep within our wage structure which at a total guess is about 35k a week, I suspect we will need to look abroad to find value

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:30 pm

Or the best of the Championship. Which has been profitable enough for us in the past.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:33 pm

At least 10m on buying the cricket club, the rest are bonus purchases

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:34 pm

True, although that could be more costly. Are there any decent wingers in the Championship who are not playing for teams with serious promotion ambitions? I don't want much of the Championship anymore

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:39 pm

We have never been better placed to get a marquee signing nor we likely to be if we keep shopping in the championship.

We are currently placed 10 places higher than we finished last season which would be another 14m or so in the prize fund earnings. We need to do all we can to make it happen.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:44 pm

Can't say I know too many of them, but there will always be one or two. For a start, there's a lad at Forest, Barrie McKay, who has a big reputation, and Grant Ward at Ipswich was always had a decent rep as a kid at Spurs and I hear is doing quite well.

But we should be capable of scouting the fringes of most premier league teams these days - we signed Cork in the summer don't forget and I thought that was a bit of a watershed. I think we're a bit more competitive in wages than we think.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:46 pm

We don't need a marquee, the cricket club pavilion will do nicely....
Seriously though, I'd be astonished if we buy anyone other than a couple of outstanding championship players.
I expect we'll sell too.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:53 pm

It could well be that Swansea could be tempted to offload a couple more: Nathan Dyer could be the pacy winger we crave, Leroy Fer as the tall Hendrick alternative, we were previously after Narsingh...

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:01 pm

I would say McLean and possibly Brunt at WBA, neither of whom fit obviously into Pardew's set up, are more realistic Cork-type signings. It's a while since Dyer pulled up any trees and Fer and Narsingh don't especially convince. Klassen isn't a bad a bad shout though.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:13 pm

Whatever it takes within our ever increasing wage structure to get:-

A third choice cb
A proper nr 10 so we can link midfield to our lone striker better and get say 8 to 10 goals a season from that position, to go straight into the team
A right-footed winger to go straight into the team as Brady is out all season
Another winger on loan

Do this and we could finish around were we currently are, whilst moving forward. Some on here won't agree, but the most important of the above 4 is another cb to correct a massive error last Summer, after many months of notice of the vacancy were not used effectively.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:40 pm

It's a bit of a double edged sword the January window. Based on where we are and the points we've got we could spend money now instead of in the Summer, giving the players longer to bed in etc. The other side of that is that player values in January tend to sky rocket and we will overpay.

As a fan you'd want us to sign the players, as a chairman you'd probably rather wait until summer for better deals. I suspect that's what we will do.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:45 pm

An obvious type of target for January is Scott Sinclair. Hes rekindled his career in Scotland and at 28, ought to to want one more crack at proving himself in England, and he's precisely in the mould you'd have thought we might want.

In fact id be pretty happy to ruin their January- their top target is reportedly Liam Moore, who I think is s decent shout for our vacancy at centre back and as Tarkowski's long term replacement.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:47 pm

Fifteen quid.

And I don't think SD does "marquee signings".
Nor should he. Were doing fine with the current recruiting strategy.

As our PL position suggests. So let's not drown the baby with too much bath water.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:49 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Fifteen quid.

And I don't think SD does "marquee signings".
Nor should he. Were doing fine with the current recruiting strategy.

As our PL position suggests. So let's not drown the baby with too much bath water.

Depends what you mean by a marquee signing. I'd argue Wood, Brady, Hendrick, Defour and Cork all amount to marquee signings.

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:51 pm

They were talking on the radio about Everton going in for a winger and Lennon might be on his way out. He might have changed his mind about coming now we are in the top six.

OssyClaret · Post by **OssyClaret** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:53 pm

Whatever the balance is from buying:

CB - Dawson, Zouma, Keane or someone less proven but the next on the conveyor belt.
Wide - McClean, Bolaise or similar
Most Importantly - Someone who can play in between the lines of our midfield and striker better than Hendrick can
The Cricket Club
The Park View

and selling:

Ulvestad
Walters or Wells

Probably about £60m!

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:00 pm

claretspice wrote:Depends what you mean by a marquee signing. I'd argue Wood, Brady, Hendrick, Defour and Cork all amount to marquee signings.

Nope. Maybe one man ridge-tent signings. But not marquee.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:06 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Nope. Maybe one man ridge-tent signings. But not marquee.

Who do you suggest?

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:08 pm

Brady was a marquee signing undoubtedly. I'd also argue Defour was, it's not everyday that a player of his pedigree and calibre come to Burnley.

Cork maybe not, although he was to me as I rated him after his last spell and thought he'd be a massive upgrade. Marquee signings are not always about the money spent.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:08 pm

No idea, spijed.

I suggest leaving it to you-know-who.

Sound fair?

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:04 pm

I'd be very surprised if we bring in more than one or two in January
unless we suddenly lose one or two more to long term injuries.

Another centre back would help give us enough cover unless we lose
Tarkowski and then possibly one additional one.

We seemed reasonably well covered in midfield and full back so possibly another
forward or attacking midfielder might help.

Whatever, I'm sure Dyche has a good idea of where we need strengthening.
It's whether the right player/s are available and at the right wage as don't think the fee
will be that much of an issue.

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:14 pm

We need a Centre Half. No doubt on that one. Someone who'll be happy to play number 3 or 4 though and learn how we work and get Dyche fit. I wouldn't expect them to play much this season and would expect us to spend no more that 10 million on that sort of signing.

We need another Brady, someone who can defend and has a bit of creativity too and that's not going to come cheap because we need him to slot in and play more or less immediately. I'd love to see someone with the trickery of Yannick Bolasie but he's not fit and he's out of our price range. I'd be surprised if we spend more than 20 million.

I'd expect our spend to be somewhere between 20 and 30 million again. We need to keep building.

Im_not_Robbie_Blake · Post by **Im_not_Robbie_Blake** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:18 pm

Nathan Dyer was mentioned - not for me, I think he's had his day and is no longer good enough for us.

A 4th centre back and that's all, say I!

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:24 am

I can see the argument that we are doing ok at the moment so don't urgently require any extra bodies particularly. However, I can also see the argument that our squad is still very think in some areas and now has to be the best time to attract some very good players with the position we find ourselves in.

For me, I'd like to see a 3rd choice Centre Half signed (ala Tarkowski in Jan 2016), an extra option out wide as JBG and Arfield are currently our ONLY real options and I would also like to see a 'No 10'. Hendrick has done very well and he is a player I really like but having the option of a player with a bit more flair and creativity in that 'No 10' role could really move the team/squad on to the next level.

The winger and 'No 10' could be buys or loans (or loans with option to buy) but I would like us to sign another Centre Half permanently. Maybe loans with options to buy might be the most sensible option - particularly if the player comes in from abroad.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:33 am

Winger, no 10 and CB whatever that costs. May need to look abroad or Championship for some if not all of these.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:59 am

I think we have to be very careful. One of the reasons we are doing so well is the togetherness of the group which means players like Tarks, Pope, Long (to name just a few) have been willing to wait their turn. Bringing in players over others' heads could damage that ethos by far more than the perceived advantage of a new player in the squad.

I am not suggesting that we spend no money, just that Dyche has managed these issues brilliantly to date and only he knows how to balance things off.

It is patience and proper analysis that brings in the right players not shedloads of cash ( Cork, Ward, Tarks, Barnes and some). SD will continue to add value to the squad AND maintain the balance that has got us where we are, just like he has for the last 5 years.

I would not be surprised if our spending is limited to a 4th (or 3rd) choice CB. Other potential signings will depend upon the availability of those right minded players and not on a desire to splash the cash. IDWT!

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:11 am

A new left back Bryan at Bristol looks a decent bet

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:12 am

If we were to spend £30million (for example) however it had to be either at Christmas or in the Summer (not split over both), which transfer window would you choose?

Given we are not buying to stay in desperation ie to stay in the Premier League, would it be better to wait until the end of the Season?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:30 pm

I'd buy in January every time. Apart from anything else it means that that player hits the ground running for the next season after a run in period this season and a full season. Summer signings miss out on most of pre season generally, let alone this season. No coincidence Brady is five times the player this season as last season. For all it can be an expensive time to buy, it can result in better value for money too (the market contract length is also a minimum of 3.5 years too so the potential for resale is greater.

I note we've been linked with Nicolas De Preville (now of Bordeaux) again - he was strongly linked in the summer. Loose forward/attacking midfielder who can play all across the front line, including wide left. Seemingly we've had scouts at Bordeaux games.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:37 pm

A young keeper
A young centre half
A young creative midfielder.
A predatory striker

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:57 pm

claretspice wrote:I note we've been linked with Nicolas De Preville (now of Bordeaux) again - he was strongly linked in the summer. Loose forward/attacking midfielder who can play all across the front line, including wide left. Seemingly we've had scouts at Bordeaux games.

Have we? Where/when? Must have missed that.

Is he even playing for Bordeaux? Not a player I know much about...

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:06 pm

January is about buying in to cover injuries or buying replacements for those you are planning or think you will lose in the summer - let them grow to understand the ethos and tactical set-up before a full pre-season to be Dyche fit (which I take to be both physically and mentally).

Naturally finding the right players with the right attributes takes time and still don't think our European scouting will kick into significant purchases until next summer at the earliest - though there must be the odd guy out there looking at Defour this season and thinking that could be me

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:34 pm

and a winger with pace and a cross.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:35 pm

And the sale of 3/4 players to make room for incomers.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:41 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:Have we? Where/when? Must have missed that.

Is he even playing for Bordeaux? Not a player I know much about...

Linked in the Daily Mail (an underrated source of accurate news about us) and also suggested on Twitter we have watched him. Can't say I know much about him, beyond what I saw and read in the summer, save that it's suggested he hasn't really really settled at Bordeaux after a summer move (although he has been playing).

Same article suggested we also had MacLean and Jordan Jones of Kilmarnock on a shortlist.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:24 pm

ablueclaret wrote:A young keeper
A young centre half
A young creative midfielder.
A predatory striker

Depending on how you define "young":
Connor Mitchell, Aiden Stone, Connor King
Harry Flowers, Oliver Younger
Aiden O'Neill
Harry Limb.

I thought you were the champion of our development squad, now you are advocating buying in players to push those already here down the pecking order

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:30 pm

Steady as she goes.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:55 pm

summitclaret wrote:Whatever it takes within our ever increasing wage structure to get:-

A third choice cb
A proper nr 10 so we can link midfield to our lone striker better and get say 8 to 10 goals a season from that position, to go straight into the team
A right-footed winger to go straight into the team as Brady is out all season
Another winger on loan

Do this and we could finish around were we currently are, whilst moving forward. Some on here won't agree, but the most important of the above 4 is another cb to correct a massive error last Summer, after many months of notice of the vacancy were not used effectively.

Agree about a proper number 10. But also a winger.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:32 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:If we were to spend £30million (for example) however it had to be either at Christmas or in the Summer (not split over both), which transfer window would you choose?

Given we are not buying to stay in desperation ie to stay in the Premier League, would it be better to wait until the end of the Season?

I’d spend it in Jan and I would spend more than 30 million. Squad is down to the bare bones but x2 decent additions can help us to maintain a 6/7 place finish. We have the money and have never had a better chance to qualify for Europe. Not not In my life. Lets go for it, if we spend 50 million we are not going to be broke

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:40 pm

I'd love the development squad to work but so far it just appears to halt players progress, so buying in young talent appears the only real option.
A few years ago I highlighted the dilemma facing the club and posed the idea that perhaps we should abandon youth sides and just recruit young players from other clubs, ideally into a reserve side.
I think our thinking on young players has been muddled and we really haven't got the mechanisms right, but we have been more successful bringing on other sides young players than our own.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:41 pm

Personally I’d buy McClean for two reasons.1. He is very good, hard working and has quality. 2. It would **** off the poppy mafia, which is alright with me

I really rate McClean and think he’s been wasted at West Brom. Given the right management I think he could be our best winger. Would cost about 20-30m depending on his contract length