Twisting facts to make a story

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:25 pm

This is the worst I have seen in some time - Brexit and far right undertones all over this story about our club

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Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:36 pm

Perhaps Johnathan should drop the w. Pandering to the demographic of their readership, they'll love it! File under Sherwood, Twunt!

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:40 pm

Look up some rarely used words, string them into a useless hyperbole and QED... instant ******** !

Obviously a Chelsea supporter stuck up his own rear end !

Lazy and pretentious twaddle from "Hacksville"

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:42 pm

Gruesome reading.
Complete and utter piffle but the undertone is both disturbing and unpleasant.

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:42 pm

Chester Perry wrote:This is the worst I have seen in some time - Brexit and far right undertones all over this story about our club

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 24456.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Independent was seen as broadly centrist albeit with a leftist bent, according to wikipedia. The story stinks of left wing rubbish, buy him he's black like a BBC ad don't want you if you are white. These cretins can never forgive the town of Burnley for returning BNP councillors and the can never accept that we still live in a democratic country.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:43 pm

Some people think that the internet-only Independent is still a respected source of news and journalism.

This is silly left wing tabloidism dressed up as a serious critical article. Worse still, it panders to many prejudices about "uneducated northerners" as well as completely mis-representing Burnley FC under Sean Dyche.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:47 pm

what a load of phookin drivel,has Saxo taken up journalism.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:47 pm

Having read it properly ... it's even worse than that.

It's lowbrow journalism at its worst.

Insinuating and implying without ever actually saying anything. It doesn't deserve the time of day.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:47 pm

That's odd. I was reading it as a right-wing piece of journalism. The writer seems quite proud towards its finale of lil ol' Burnley appearing to be the last bastion of so-called "British" standards.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:48 pm

Rowls wrote:Some people think that the internet-only Independent is still a respected source of news and journalism.

This is silly left wing tabloidism dressed up as a serious critical article. Worse still, it panders to many prejudices about "uneducated northerners" as well as completely mis-representing Burnley FC under Sean Dyche.

I think there is some right wing tabloidism thrown in as well.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:49 pm

conyoviejo wrote:I think there is some right wing tabloidism thrown in as well.

No.

There isn't.

Not in the Independent.

If your point is "some tabloids are right wing" then that's valid.

It's just a tiny, wee bit of an oblique point to be making though.

For example, some dogs are brown.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:51 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:That's odd. I was reading it as a right-wing piece of journalism..

Oh dear.

In the (so called) Independent?????

You think right wingers will have started reading it en masse?

What did you think the journalist meant when he said, "You might infer a certain distaste in all this"????

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:51 pm

Wow!! Talk about extrapolation beyond the data. Brilliant.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:54 pm

Well I normally think there some truth in most stories, but that’s just diatribe.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:54 pm

Doesn’t stop far short of accusing our club, our manager and our town of being hard line racists.

Disgraceful “journalism”.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:55 pm

Either way, it's a dreadful piece of writing.
Defour, Gudmunsson, Ward, Hendrick, Walters and so on must be wondering wtf ?
Even better if you use "English" instead of "British".

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:55 pm

It's just one big sneer. Arsehole.

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:57 pm

A "repressive regime" the author describes Dyche's approach.
What a complete load of old s***

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:58 pm

You missed a bit, rowls.

"

You might infer a certain distaste in all this. Not really."

I think THAT'S what the journo meant.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:02 pm

In this day and age (the age of “player power”), there’s no way we operate a repressive regime. They wouldn’t stand for it. Could you see a certain Joseph Barton putting up with that sort of thing?

Utter, utter dross.

It’s actually managed to wind me right up.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:02 pm

The author has been in a few twitter scrapes recently, one calling the 1992 Burnley commentating Rob Palmer a Racist I think?

Sounds like a pratt.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:06 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:You missed a bit, rowls.
"
You might infer a certain distaste in all this. Not really."
I think THAT'S what the journo meant.

Think you're being niave eddie.

It's an entire article of sneering. Then there's that one sentence which essentially says "you might think I'm sneering... Not Really"

Of course he's not sneering. He's just making an observation in a long sneering manner. Without passing judgement.

Yeah right.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:07 pm

I thought Guerrero made a league start for us?

Anyway, what a bizarre article that is and yes we already know we don't have many coloured players, but it isn't really an issue is it?

I don't really know what to make of that article...

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:10 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I don't really know what to make of that article...

Simple - don't waste your time reading the Independent anymore.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:15 pm

Copying my post from the "brexit - good news" thread

claretandy wrote:
Interesting article, Burnley is brexit Britain

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 24456.html

A disgrace of an article about Burnley Football Club and a disgrace or an article trying to create an negative character out of the progress of Burnley FC and the referendum count in the town of Burnley.

So, "not a single Premier League minute this season has been played by a non-white footballer" and" the club has never signed a player from Asia or north Africa. Their only Latin American (goalkeeper Diego Penny) made just one league start a decade ago."

What happened to Andre Gray, Clarke Carlisle, Ian Wright (to pick out a few first teamers)? What about all the "non-white" players in the squads below the first team? What about our Greek goalie of a few years back?

"Never signed a player from Asia or north Africa..." How many football clubs have got the money to do that?

And, it seems for Jonathan Liew, the club's team bonding, discipline and ethics are just "a curiously repressive regime, characterised by petty rules, arbitrary punishments and a culture of secret denunciation."

I'm sure every single one of Burnley's fans - whatever their views re brexit - is looking forward to Burnley Football Club playing in Europe.

UTC

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:16 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I thought Guerrero made a league start for us?

Anyway, what a bizarre article that is and yes we already know we don't have many coloured players, but it isn't really an issue is it?

I don't really know what to make of that article...

Josh Ginnelly, Ali Koiki, Rahin Nabi, Khius Metz, Olatunde Bayode, Kwazinkosi Mpofu, Terry Mupariwa, Tinashe Chakwara, Akin Samms, Christian N'Guessan and Richard Taylor.All on our books

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:18 pm

What utter $hyte.

Either that or you are all just a bunch of ignorant, racist, little Englander Brexiteers.

Hang on, I think i've seen those descriptions on here already !

This chap doesn't post on here, does he? Plagiarism.

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:24 pm

It doesn’t have right wing or left wing undertones, it’s just a shite piece of journalism patronising our club.

Perhaps we should stop our petty political squabbles and all agree the article’s a load of codswallop!

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:25 pm

Always ironic when in writing an article that sneers at the perceived narrow mindedness of the objects of the article, the author displays his own prejudice and ignorance instead of the intellectual superiority he was aiming for.

Only one person comes out of this article looking really bad, And fortunely for Burnley, its the author. Absolute car crash of an article.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:28 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Josh Ginnelly, Ali Koiki, Rahin Nabi, Khius Metz, Olatunde Bayode, Kwazinkosi Mpofu, Terry Mupariwa, Tinashe Chakwara, Akin Samms, Christian N'Guessan and Richard Taylor.All on our books

forget about on our books now - what about our heroes Eli, Francis the sublime Mitchel Thomas et al - players we took to our hearts as they helped turn the fortunes of our club around

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:34 pm

Maybe a Burnley fan with some sports journalism connections (I think we have one or two on here...) can contact Jonathan Liew and arrange an invite to Gawthorpe/Barnfield so that Liew can see some of the squads in action.

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:40 pm

To say that guy who wrote it is the Indy's chief sports writer, It's a pretty poor representation of the progress of our club and a spiteful piece regarding the selection of our players.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:42 pm

Then you get folk like Stephen Hawking bemoaning Brexit because it will fail to attract foreign talent to Oxbridge, whilst the UK, as the most creative nation on the planet, has its geniuses on the dole so that the perceived demographic victims of 'multicultural fair play world' can have a go instead, be educated instead of the elite.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:02 pm

Not often on here that most people are in agreement on anything.

For a Chief Sports writer it's an abject piece journalism.

Maybe as he is a Spurs fan, he is on a wind up.

Perhaps he will be at the game tomorrow, I am sure in the spirit of Christmas, someone could offer him a pint and a friendly chat.

Goody1975 · Post by **Goody1975** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:14 pm

I can cope with an article about why Burnley have so many British and Irish players in it's squad when the rest of the Premier League are so multinational (i.e. comparing the two philosophies) but the comment about the skin colour of our players is an absolute disgrace and the Independent should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for printing it.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:16 pm

He may as well have wrote no pakis or blacks allowed at Burnley FC.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:22 pm

He had\has an agenda quite a sad way to earn a living.

LAM · Post by **LAM** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:32 pm

Dreadful piece.

To point specifically at zero ‘North’ African players in our history, omitting the fact we have had other African players such as Gnohere and Diallo, confirms he has some strange agenda.

Also failing to mention the cornerstone of our promotion back to the Premier league was a black player, who was lauded by our fans.

If the author was fishing, he has hooked me in. Annoyed me has this

bpgburn · Post by **bpgburn** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:39 pm

"I have no idea what Dyche or anyone at Burnley thinks about Brexit."

Should have stopped at "I have no Idea.." as that was evident from the start, what a dicklick!

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:47 pm

This comment sums up the type of person this story is aimed at

"edsmith1
Burnley might have a good season but usually in relegation zone or relegated. From that point of view the comparison with Brexit is apt. Decline and demotion is around the corner and we’ll never win the Premier League"

The type of person so rabidly pro remain that he will throw his own club under a bus over Brexit.

Nonsense case

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:50 pm

I think Bexit was a vote to say NO to becoming a bit part in the creation of the 4th Reich of Eurasia. One can't really say the same of BFC who have dafabet as their shirt sponsor, unless it's a case of 'we'll take you money anyway' as nobody give a Ffffffff about dafabet or even knows what it is or even cares. I'll still walk into the shop on the High St. to place my yearly bet on us to win at Arsenal or whatever the impossible dream is.

Erasmus · Post by **Erasmus** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:59 pm

I suppose with all the praise we have been getting it seems like a clever idea to have a go at Burnley. It's a way of getting attention. But he might have looked at it from a proper sporting perspective. The reason we have recruited mostly British and Irish players is a good sporting story, which this rubbish isn't. We are the only club in England that has been able to do what we have done. That is being a smallish club with no major financial backers that has managed to remain in the Premier League on its own self-generated resources. I always believed that clubs of our size just couldn't do it, not possible. It's never been done before. Could Preston or Barnsley do it?

The way this has been achieved is by adopting a style of play that is the most furthest removed from the approach to games seen in other leagues. We close down relentlessly, we work on team work and team spirit and we give the opposition no peace. We break quickly and effectively, defend superbly and score enough goals to win us the points. Players from other parts of the world just don't understand this approach. Steven Defour is a brilliant player but it has taken him a year to learn how to play effectively for Burnley. That is the real story, how we have managed to do what is virtually impossible, by developing a particularly modern style of football. That is a sport story worth reading and writing. This is just very, very silly with a nasty twist to it.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:10 pm

This is the same guy who accused a Sky Sports commentator of racism for describing a midfielder as a beast.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:18 pm

I saw Robinson on that Bein sports video - nowhere was it suggested it was a repressive regime but rather one where team discipline and respect was fostered and togetherness acheived by use of a "system of punishment using karaoke".

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:21 pm

He used to write for The Daily Telegraph.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:35 pm

Can’t believe how easily offended people are by a online article.

Snowflakes

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:46 pm

What a scumbag. Sad thing is, these types of b.s narratives are currency and many will lap it up, reinforcing their own prejudices all wrapped up in perceived virtue. Perpetual victims of imaginary nonsense. Undercover C U next Tuesdays of high calibre. Anyone on here would demolish him in a one on one conversation. Toxic, poisonous, devisive, dangerous. The folk who write crap like this do nothing for the good of anything.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:47 pm

Jonathan Liew has a thing about "nativeism", about a month ago he wrote a piece condemning Craig Overton for telling a "British passport holder" to go back to where you came from".

As sledging goes it is a tad tame but clearly outraged Jonathan.

It is also strange because last week he wrote a piece praising Burnley's defensive framework.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:48 pm

He wants a good hiding for that.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:26 pm

If Middlesbrough had not smashed their transfer record to beat us to the signing of Britt Assombalonga this story would probably not even have been written.

Burnley have traditionally had the smallest transfer budget in the PL.

What is the average price of North African players plying their trade in the PL?

Ban journalists from this rag from attending Burnley press conferences. Utter garbage.