Basically, Hark The Herald Angels Sing, is a song celebrating the birth of an alien in human form (Jesus Christ.) Therefore the basic premise is not so much a question of whether one beleives in God but whether one believes in alien life and an alien that has come to tell us everything might be OK in an afterlife if one believes in and values the idea of a supreme creator and to venerate his creation as the ultimate mastery in comparision to our more paltry efforts.

In Today's Daily Telegraph, Mr. Elizondo of the AATIP (Advanced Aviation Threat Indentification Program) at the Pentagon has stated that there is beyond resonable doubt that UFOs exist and have been documented, although much of the information is classified.

A few years ago, I was walking on the outskirts of Canterbury when I saw a dark grey metallic disc fly overhead. It looked to be about 20ft across and was flying about 200 yards above me, making no noise. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera and because I've a mental illness, I never reported it.

I've just been talking to my mother and she said that a gardener at the time, pointed to the sky in exclamation and she looked up to see a jet trail that had a perfect square in it.

Modern Art (particularly the early modernism 1890 to 1920) is a search to see if one can reveal a 'higher order of things' beyond mere sense. I have developed this theory further but the fundamental property of this is as follows: A 2D square might represent a trapezoidal 3D form for example, in perspectival projection but it is very difficult to perceive any such form because it looks like a square, in other words we generally see what appears to be.

Previously, I've put some drawings on this site to guage reaction to my search to reveal a 'transcendental order' that may be related to higher forms of intelligence and perhaps alien life. Some scoff and some are interested. I might send some to the Pentagon next year but I don't want any further zapping from the X-men.

Merry Christmas folks, hope you've enjoyed this OP and may the force be with you!

P.S. The story of the AATIP is in today's DT on the front page and page 4.

Cool story bro

Merry Christmas Pstotto.

Merry Christmas, Pstotto and all fellow Clarets.

Pstotto wrote:Basically, Hark The Herald Angels Sing, is a song celebrating the birth of an alien in human form (Jesus Christ.) Therefore the basic premise is not so much a question of whether one beleives in God but whether one believes in alien life and an alien that has come to tell us everything might be OK in an afterlife if one believes in and values the idea of a supreme creator and to venerate his creation as the ultimate mastery in comparision to our more paltry efforts.

In Today's Daily Telegraph, Mr. Elizondo of the AATIP (Advanced Aviation Threat Indentification Program) at the Pentagon has stated that there is beyond resonable doubt that UFOs exist and have been documented, although much of the information is classified.

A few years ago, I was walking on the outskirts of Canterbury when I saw a dark grey metallic disc fly overhead. It looked to be about 20ft across and was flying about 200 yards above me, making no noise. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera and because I've a mental illness, I never reported it.

I've just been talking to my mother and she said that a gardener at the time, pointed to the sky in exclamation and she looked up to see a jet trail that had a perfect square in it.

Modern Art (particularly the early modernism 1890 to 1920) is a search to see if one can reveal a 'higher order of things' beyond mere sense. I have developed this theory further but the fundamental property of this is as follows: A 2D square might represent a trapezoidal 3D form for example, in perspectival projection but it is very difficult to perceive any such form because it looks like a square, in other words we generally see what appears to be.

Previously, I've put some drawings on this site to guage reaction to my search to reveal a 'transcendental order' that may be related to higher forms of intelligence and perhaps alien life. Some scoff and some are interested. I might send some to the Pentagon next year but I don't want any further zapping from the X-men.

Merry Christmas folks, hope you've enjoyed this OP and may the force be with you!

P.S. The story of the AATIP is in today's DT on the front page and page 4.

I was on the Turf yesterday and witnessed,what I can only describe as, some form of rapid white and blue air borne, missile. That had self launched itself, independent of any kind of human influence what so ever, at an incredible projection through the atmosphere.

I've since looked on the official meteorological office website and, according to other reports of the same incident, it appears to have been some form of Unidentified Flying Alli !

Thanks and good cheer! ... Meanwhile the girl on the checkout at Tesco this afternoon exclaimed that she 'had never felt more unchristmassy in her life.' I bet Shakespeare wished that he could have been a time traveller and put that line in one of his plays.

Merry Christmas to you too Pstotto

Nice one, have a great monday.

Two thousand years of Christianity unravelled and explained by a drug taking mental artist. Some of man kinds greatest thinkers who fell for it have a lot to learn.

At least I've got my sanity...

I don't know how my simple theory (I am a published academic regarding this) has never been deduced in so matter-a-fact a way before, but the facts of form representation mean that for any amount of visual chaos, there must a priori be a transcendental order because shape represents form.

It is based on the first lesson of the life drawing class and as it turns out, it's the last word on art methinks.

How far that random order can be extended to anything meaningful is still open to question, but there is always something that looks a bit like something else and so meaning accrues. 'Transformers' is a simulacrum of it, or those picture made up of other pictures.

Anyway, I'm very pleased about this AATIP as it establishes a great context for my stories of image research and the search for alien life via images. After all, the basic make-up of stuff is claimed to be universal, even if our visual sense organs and the cognitions attached are thought not to be the apotheosis of possibility.

Don’t give up your day job and in future drink some cold water with it

Cant wait for IT to reply. Let battle commence. Merry Xmas

A day job? Cold water? Cheer up Spike, it can be all that bad. Go and have a nice Vodka and tonic and maybe Scrooge will join you and bring some nice presents!

Anyway, wasn’t Jesus born at the end of September or something...? Christmas is a stolen pagan ritual...

I don't know if anybody saw the BBC4 program on the making of Star Wars last week (great championing of UK creative talent,) but after there was a program about what inspired George Lucas to make the film and it was a book by (can't remember) a bloke who had analyzed every major story and myth from every culture that he could find and the human story was essentially the same.

Nobody really knows what the story of Jesus is, but all the mythical stories of cultures seem to intermingle and adopt any celebration they can for their own ends. Currently trending now for example, is the usurpation of the Star Wars franchise for pc facist political ideology.

My essential understanding of the Christmas festival is the gift of 'the present' to us from a mysterious source, that gives us the time and space to be in our cosmic oasis that is planet Earth.

Pstotto wrote:A day job? Cold water? Cheer up Spike, it can be all that bad. Go and have a nice Vodka and tonic and maybe Scrooge will join you and bring some nice presents!

Vodka and coke please!

Merry Christmas UTC

Rick_Muller wrote:Anyway, wasn’t Jesus born at the end of September or something...? Christmas is a stolen pagan ritual...

Most religious festivals are stolen from another one.
Islam and Christianity are both made up using bits of other religions, Inc Judaism.

They latch onto pagan holidays because they're already being used and it's probably just easier to usurp an existing holiday/god.

Praise The Sun

I don't like it but is this the real reason the sun

We have had Christmas for forty years at are house found this on you tube

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The cosmos is also beyond the Sun and the Moon. Don't forget the stardust and that we may as life, come from other galaxies.

Sorry got to call B S on that one

Pstotto wrote:The cosmos is also beyond the Sun and the Moon. Don't forget the stardust and that we may as life, come from other galaxies.

You need to check out some of internet postings of Nick Pope. Seriously, he's an 'expert' on all this guff about aliens.

B S?????? Man of kent you're being lazy, if you've got info then deliver. I'll stick to finding out about the AATIP.

Pstotto wrote:Basically, Hark The Herald Angels Sing, is a song celebrating the birth of an alien in human form (Jesus Christ.) Therefore the basic premise is not so much a question of whether one beleives in God but whether one believes in alien life and an alien that has come to tell us everything might be OK in an afterlife if one believes in and values the idea of a supreme creator and to venerate his creation as the ultimate mastery in comparision to our more paltry efforts.

In Today's Daily Telegraph, Mr. Elizondo of the AATIP (Advanced Aviation Threat Indentification Program) at the Pentagon has stated that there is beyond resonable doubt that UFOs exist and have been documented, although much of the information is classified.

A few years ago, I was walking on the outskirts of Canterbury when I saw a dark grey metallic disc fly overhead. It looked to be about 20ft across and was flying about 200 yards above me, making no noise. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera and because I've a mental illness, I never reported it.

I've just been talking to my mother and she said that a gardener at the time, pointed to the sky in exclamation and she looked up to see a jet trail that had a perfect square in it.

Modern Art (particularly the early modernism 1890 to 1920) is a search to see if one can reveal a 'higher order of things' beyond mere sense. I have developed this theory further but the fundamental property of this is as follows: A 2D square might represent a trapezoidal 3D form for example, in perspectival projection but it is very difficult to perceive any such form because it looks like a square, in other words we generally see what appears to be.

Previously, I've put some drawings on this site to guage reaction to my search to reveal a 'transcendental order' that may be related to higher forms of intelligence and perhaps alien life. Some scoff and some are interested. I might send some to the Pentagon next year but I don't want any further zapping from the X-men.

Merry Christmas folks, hope you've enjoyed this OP and may the force be with you!

P.S. The story of the AATIP is in today's DT on the front page and page 4.

Doubt it pal i think it was a muppet.

... And the hand of God?

JC wasn't born on 25th December though, so all a bit naff.

How do you know, you weren't there. And the silly video (OK some of it is interesting content) posted by six fingers goes on about texts that point to him being born in warm weather, but as a lot of the stories were written several hundred years after the event, they could also be made-up stories just as much as the Muslims saying their bible was the word of God. In the words of Christine Keeler: 'Well he would say that, wouldn't he?'

I'm so happy this post has appeared, I haven't read any articles as mentioned but I started to put together my understandings in the early part of 1980 because on the 7th November 1979 my life changed forever and 10 years ago I finished my 300 page portfolio on our 'alien God'. This document gets added to as discoveries and scientific advances are made and when we develop the 'invisible SIM card' we will understand what we refer to as the human spirit after all when you compare what we are to a smart phone it's easy to see where we are going. The human body wears out with usage and age, like my phone my phone has a super fast processor like my brain my phone won't do a great deal without it's SIM card but my SIM card will still be active after the phones life is ended. All organised religions involve a 'BRIGHT LIGHT' beginning, Christianity, Islam, Latter Day saints etc. The Mormon founder kept visiting the end of his farm to speak to Jesus who appeared as a bright light, the wise men followed a star, slowly, a ufo and Mohamed saw the light in a cave another ufo prior to organised religions the Gods were on earth all of the time, hieroglyphics depict these 'aliens' throughout the world so why did they leave and allow us to be left in the dark because it's an experiment and we are in a big petri dish. Personally I waited with an anxious expectancy on the results of the hadron collider in Cern the sub atomic discovery will lead the way to dematerialisation and the invisible SIM card we will discover how to neutralise the harmful effects of radiation in atomic power production it's only physics and all is possible. I can't put my 300 pages on this site but I do know we not alone because in the early hours of that November morning I was given the opportunity to see, not briefly but for almost 30 minutes
something that wasn't ours. My car stopped, a new car, and what I saw was my whole panoramic vision I noted the light arrangements and unusual colours I watched as this monster rose after 15 mins to be nothing more than the size of a large helicopter exposing a lower light arrangement, this happened in less than a blink something so huge moving at that speed, we can't do that - yet! I hired a measure wheel and triangulated the distances from where my vehicle was to the extremes of the vessel it gave me a minimum of 380 metres in length, I searched books for years until I found one with an artists impression of what I saw, I have it I have contacted people throughout the world, much simpler since the advent of the web, with the same experiences and we know what we know we are agreed Jesus is the son of God if the 'aliens' are our God a test tube baby, a virgin birth a miracle - then not now any virgin can have a child and don't forget who came to impregnate Mary yep an angel another bright light. I have never read THE CHARIOTS OF THE GODS but people who have say my thesis sounds similar well ask Eric von Dannacken what he has seen. We don't have accidental scientific or medical breakthroughs like penicillin when we are heading of in the wrong direction THEY intervene, it's great to believe, HAPPY NEW YEAR everybody, it will be.

Interesting. As a researcher into this subject via visual data I have had many visions of transcendental order. What I have been percieving is a 'vehicular' structure but it might be the structure of consciousness itself (which is as yet an unknow thing,) after all what is perceived to be without is generally now thought (gestalt isomorphics) to be something created within the mind from recieved sense information.

If you go to the 'Star Wars-The Last Jedi' thread and scroll down to post 27, I've put a drawing there which I think is quite convincing regarding a revelation of a transcendental order. Even if it is a conceit based on the geometric logic of 2D data representing various architectonic forms, it seems to work on all manner of 2d information I have tried the experiments, albeit over many years of struggle and practice and drug-damage to my psyche. This particular drawing was done without the aid of stimulants. I can now do this type of drawing at will.

God appears in three forms
The father
The son Yahshua
The Holy Spirit
Shepherds gave lambs as presants
The lamb of god


Not born a Christmas

Six fingers, you're going off what other people say and how would they know? One can't say that he wasn't born at Christmas because all the 'facts' contained in the stories that point to him not being born at Christmas, are just as much a part of a story and as such, are subject to just as much possible innaccuracy as all the rest of it.

Date chosen to coincide with Pagan festival, to get their attention.

That's the theory now prevalent but one can't say for sure, because all the stories about Christ may have been made up, including all the stories that point to him being born in a warmer time of the year. Those stories could just as easily have been made to coincide with historical events, such as the census ordered by Octavian,or whoever it was i.e. so that the story of Christ was registered as a fact.

It's always the crackpots who see UFOs isn't it.

... Not according to the AATIP and the Pentagon ( post 1.)

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4:20 wrote:Praise The Sun

If only I could be so grossly incandescent!

Apparently the three wise men read The Daily Star.