What an arrogant berk. According to one of this morning's papers, Lingard reckons United were five or ten minutes away from winning against us.
What a shame a game only lasts 90 minutes plus added, eh ?
Mind you, Jesse lad, if games were only 85 minutes long, you'd have lost it for sure.
Funny old game.

Sorry about the typo.

ah, but if he claims victoery, that's something else altogether.

evensteadiereddie wrote:What an arrogant berk. According to one of this morning's papers, Lingard reckons United were five or ten minutes away from winning against us.
Funny old game.

I'm sure he is correct, but it's a daft comment to make.

And if his speed was five to ten seconds faster he might not be an also ran.

Burnley should have been 3-1 up with 12 minutes to go. Not only does no-one like us they f*****g hate us. Or at least it feels like that sometimes.

They did have an extra 8 minutes....3 minutes injury time in first half and 5 minutes in second half.
Where the hell did that injury time come from ?...3 minutes in the first half especially is unheard of.

They had plenty of help from the referee and still could not win....nearly £300m spent by Moaningrinho and 15 points behind their biggest rivals.

Maybe instead of trying to change the length of a game he should mentioning the fact that they had a £100m midfielder playing deeper than their centre backs....one of which was the other £40m midfielder they bought from Chelsea.

TVC15 wrote:They did have an extra 8 minutes....3 minutes injury time in first half and 5 minutes in second half.
Where the hell did that injury time come from ?...3 minutes in the first half especially is unheard of.
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There was virtually no "injury" time added.
Are you forgetting that there were 11 yellow cards. That's 5 and a half minutes to add on straightaway. Then add on the time for the substitutions in the 2nd half, and 4 goals. I'm not the only person who was relieved that more time was not added on.
3 minutes in the first half: 2 goals, + 4 bookings = minimum 3 minutes.

Heaton's Gloves wrote:Burnley should have been 3-1 up with 12 minutes to go. Not only does no-one like us they f*****g hate us. Or at least it feels like that sometimes.

Why 3-1 up? Didn't see anything on MotD to suggest that.

Maybe he means they won 2-0 while he was on the pitch. It's not Man U's result that counts, it Lingard's result.

Firthy wrote:Why 3-1 up? Didn't see anything on MotD to suggest that.

Vokes was through on goal in a foot race with Pogba. He might have scored, or he might not.

So where is the rule you add 30 seconds for a booking. New one on me that one,

Firthy wrote:Why 3-1 up? Didn't see anything on MotD to suggest that.

That's because MOTD didn't show Vokes' "goal".

Lowbankclaret wrote:So where is the rule you add 30 seconds for a booking. New one on me that one,

According to the guidelines it's a minimum of 30 seconds, - more if the ref considers they are deliberately wasting time.

Not trying to be funny here but do we have a link.
Most yellows are over and done with in 10 seconds.

https://playtheadvantage.com/2014/05/27 ... etermined/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There’s some talk about the “thirty second rule”; many leagues and referees use this as a general rule of thumb to determine how much time to add at the end of a half. Former Irish referee Dermot Gallagher said:

“From Euro 96 we’ve had this standardisation that we’re going to play 30 seconds per substitution, and for excessive goal celebrations we’re to play another 30 seconds – so it starts to tot up, and this is why we find the three or four minutes we have on average at most games.”
But note that this is only a guideline, and not all referees or leagues use it.

I think it's generally been accepted that these guidelines are followed in the PL and EFL.

nil_desperandum wrote:https://playtheadvantage.com/2014/05/27 ... etermined/

I think it's generally been accepted that these guidelines are followed in the PL and EFL.

No mention of bookings in the quote.

24 hours from Tulsa...

With this adding 30 seconds on for subs and goal celebrations, can't there be two watches, and the referee stops one of them when these happen? The ref won't need to second guess then - the whistle stops when a goal is scored and restarted when they kick off again.

I would have thought Burnley's time wasting would be a factor in the added time.

nil_desperandum wrote:https://playtheadvantage.com/2014/05/27 ... etermined/

I think it's generally been accepted that these guidelines are followed in the PL and EFL.

Where does it mention anything about bookings ? Most booking you see add no extra time on at all - the card is given before a player has even got back up off the floor.

There were no substitutions in the first half as is common in most games - which is why the average injury time given at half time is 1 minute - so where did the 3 minutes come from.

If 30 seconds was added on for all substitutions, goals and cards as you indicated there would be a hell of a lot of games with 10 mins injury time (when you add time added on for actual injuries)

It was at Old Trafford and they needed the time. There is a prem rule which states that, 'A referee finding a premier league preferred club is behind in a match against a no preference team or a least preference team, should allow 30 seconds added time for whatever reason he can justify. This should continue unril the preferred team has recovered their position. It is accepted that, on occasion, the preferred club may not be able to take advantage of this opportunity'.

TVC15 wrote:Where does it mention anything about bookings ? Most booking you see add no extra time on at all - the card is given before a player has even got back up off the floor.

There were no substitutions in the first half as is common in most games - which is why the average injury time given at half time is 1 minute - so where did the 3 minutes come from.

If 30 seconds was added on for all substitutions, goals and cards as you indicated there would be a hell of a lot of games with 10 mins injury time (when you add time added on for actual injuries)

You seem to have a major issue with this.
I was definitely under the impression that a yellow card came under the same 30 seconds guidelines as substitutions, goals and goal celebrations, and the following info on the BBC website seems to support this. (See below)
Leaving aside what the actual guidelines are, it seems odd to me that you wouldn't want time added on for stoppages and time-wasting. Watching football is an expensive business, and in recent years we are getting less and less minutes / game for our money. In our home game against WBA it was reported that we only saw 47 minutes and 40 seconds of football.
If we accept your theory that a yellow card only delays the game by about 10 seconds, that would still be almost 2 minutes of added time at Old Trafford yesterday, and then there would be time added for our "time-wasting".

So what are the rules about stoppage time?

The Professional Game Match Officials - the board responsible for providing the Premier League with officials and developing refereeing - provided BBC Sport with some answers.

How do referees keep track of how long an injury takes?

There's two people, one of the assistants and the fourth official. As soon as the physio or trainer comes on, they will monitor how long they are on the pitch.

Does he stop his watch or just note what time the injury has happened?

He doesn't stop his watch, no. It's just a case of monitoring their watch; they never stop the watch.

Is 30 seconds added on for each substitution?

As a rule of thumb, yes. But if a player is doddering, meandering, then extra time can be added. And it's the same for red cards, yellow cards as well.

Is the clock stopped for goals?

No, it's not. But they do add time (to cover celebrations). It's around 30 seconds as a rule of thumb, unless they spend five minutes celebrating. Every situation is different, they'll take each one on its merit.

The rest of the article is interesting too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/20159223" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

nil_desperandum wrote:In our home game against WBA it was reported that we only saw 47 minutes and 40 seconds of football.

I would argue that the total amount of watchable football in that match was much closer to zero than 40+ minutes!

I don’t see in that quote where 30 secs for a yellow card is??

As has been said above, most are over and done with within 10-15 seconds. No need for that.

Edit to say I missed that bit, although it doesn’t expressly say that 30 seconds should be added for each and every yellow card.
That’s probably more for if a player takes his time going off after a red card.

We were 4 minutes away from beating them since they equalised in the first minute of 5 added minutes of time.

nil_desperandum wrote:You seem to have a major issue with this.
I was definitely under the impression that a yellow card came under the same 30 seconds guidelines as substitutions, goals and goal celebrations, and the following info on the BBC website seems to support this. (See below)
Leaving aside what the actual guidelines are, it seems odd to me that you wouldn't want time added on for stoppages and time-wasting. Watching football is an expensive business, and in recent years we are getting less and less minutes / game for our money. In our home game against WBA it was reported that we only saw 47 minutes and 40 seconds of football.
If we accept your theory that a yellow card only delays the game by about 10 seconds, that would still be almost 2 minutes of added time at Old Trafford yesterday, and then there would be time added for our "time-wasting".


The rest of the article is interesting too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/20159223" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I`ve got a major issue ? You are the one still trying to justify your original incorrect reference to the guidelines. Now you are saying that "my theory" is that yellow cards delay the game by 10 seconds (where did i say that ?) and then use this to calculate this to 2 minutes added time....hilarious !!

What I said was that 3 minutes of injury time in the first half were unusual and very rarely do you see this amount of time added on in the first half unless there has been an actual injury...which I do not recall there was at OT.....so I don`t know why the referee added on 3 minutes.

As for time wasting - nearly every team does it when they are winning or hanging on for a draw. What Nick Pope was doing falling to the floor when he makes a save is done by all the keepers. Yes its annoying but there is a big inconsistency amongst referees when adding on time. I was not surprised the ref added on 5 minutes in the second half as we were at OT so it was always going to happen.

The article was also 5 years ago - unless there are very few yellow or red cards in the first half then clearly the guideline is not been adhered to for most matches (if it ever was)

TVC15 wrote:I`ve got a major issue ? You are the one still trying to justify your original incorrect reference to the guidelines. Now you are saying that "my theory" is that yellow cards delay the game by 10 seconds (where did i say that ?) and then use this to calculate this to 2 minutes added time....hilarious !!
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I really didn't come on this thread for any kind of argument, but just to clarify.
You said 10 seconds for each yellow card in post 15
... and 11 yellow cards at 10 seconds each is - as I calculated correctly - ALMOST - 2 minutes. (110 seconds).
Anyway, you deflect from the main point of my argument, which is that added time is STOPPAGE time, not injury time, and modern football is punctuated with far too many stoppages, which according to guidelines referees are encouraged to record and then add on.

Edit: Sincere apologies. it was another poster who said it was 10 seconds, but the rest of my post still stands

TVC15 wrote:I`ve got a major issue.

You do indeed and I wish you all the best in trying to resolve it in 2018 and become a much more balanced individual.

Devils_Advocate wrote:You do indeed and I wish you all the best in trying to resolve it in 2018 and become a much more balanced individual.

Haha - who threw you a nut ?

Nice exclusion of the question mark quoting me - you are so very clever.

Christmas quiz for you. Rearrange these words :
the ; calling ; pot ; black ; kettle

Why don't you respond with your usual 2,000 word response that nobody ever f'in bothers reading you mentalist ?

When Lingard was interviewed aft the game he looked like he was about to go on a school trip!

He's a young footballer, he'll hopefully learn from this and not let his emotions run away from him in the future.

At the end of the day, Man Utd arguably the biggest club on the planet, were running around like they'd won the World Cup, when they equalised in injury time against lil 'ol Burnley, arguable the most improved team in English football.

This from a Utd side featuring Ibra, Matic, De Gea, Lukaku, Rashford, Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Mata, etc (and aargh, bless him, the little Portuguese git has only had £280 million or whatever to spend, life's sooo unfair).

This from a Burnley side MISSING Heaton, Tarkowski, Lowton, Ward, Wood and Brady.

UTC NNN.

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:He's a young footballer, he'll hopefully learn from this and not let his emotions run away from him in the future.

Young or otherwise, he would have a different attitude or (display) if he was managed by SD instead of the special moaning one.

Can anyone confirm what Nick Pope was booked for?

Wasting time?

3putt wrote:Wasting time?

Exactly