Future of BFC

BeijingClaret · Post by **BeijingClaret** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:45 pm

Where do you see Burnley Football Club going? In the next 5 years I expect us to have played ping pong with the EPL and the Championship once but hopefully we establish ourselves as a EPL team that never gets relegated. Then do we need a new stadium or do we major renovations to Turf? Manager? Is Sean Dyche staying forever? Is Dean Marney staying forever ?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:47 pm

EPL? The Championship is in the EFL (or Football League as I still prefer to call it).

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:05 am

ClaretTony wrote:EPL? The Championship is in the EFL (or Football League as I still prefer to call it).

He obviously means flirting with relegation from The English Premier League.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:09 am

FWIW I think we may have a few flirtations. But as long as we are sensible, grow slowly, accept that not all seasons will be like this we could cement our place in this league for years to come.

However we should never get above our station. Be it if we have a bad run or even If Dyche leaves and someone else comes in.

Bigger clubs than us have fallen out of this league and struggled to come back. Bigger clubs than us have fallen out of this league and never come back.

Our aim for the next 5 years should be safety first and foremost. It could set us up for a lifetime, especially if we are financially as sensible as we are now and even more so if others arent and the game goes tits up.

Hopefully in 5 years we will start to reap the rewards of Gawthorpe. Again something else we should be patient with and not expect or demand instant results.

Without being negative, because we should always aim to progress. If someone said we would finish 17th in the premier league for the next 5 years I would probably take it. On the basis that by then we should have accrued enough wealth, talent and know how to be self sufficient at this level for years to come.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:17 am

Dean Marney won’t be here.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:20 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:Dean Marney won’t be here.

I reckon he will.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:30 am

Depends how long Dyche stays.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:34 am

We will be fine untill dyche leaves n then after that it will be all down hill, so let's all enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts untill that grim day! Utc..

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:29 am

We'll probably do a Wigan/Swansea, muddle about in mid-table for a few years, maybe a decent cup run or two, then relegated somewhere down the line and back to being a mid-table Championship team. If I don't get my hopes up, I won't be disappointed...

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:36 am

I don't wish to come over all pessimistic,But to be honest I will be very surprised if we are not relegated at least once in the next 7 or 8 seasons

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:54 am

claretdj wrote:We will be fine untill dyche leaves n then after that it will be all down hill, so let's all enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts untill that grim day! Utc..

We have taken quite a leap forward since the appointment of SD, but let's not ignore the progress made over the past 30 years owing to the ability of the board to appoint some decent managers. Laws aside, there's been a steady improvement in the quality of manager over this period and I'm sure they have a clearer idea of the type of character they will employ next due to what SD has done.

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:56 am

Nothing can be guaranteed in football. We have done pretty well over the last 10 years though when you think back to where we were in the 80s and 90s. The trend has been upwards since 87-88. Were now 7th in the PL which is remarkable. Slow steady and sensible management has got us here, it works and hopefully will continue.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:07 am

The longer were in the premier league our profits will get smaller as daft as it seems.
Wage bills go higher and higher so there's not much left at the end for transfers. Just take a look at any established side (5 years or more) without a wealthy backer.

This is the time we will have the most spare cash floating about maybe another year.

Burtonwoodclaret · Post by **Burtonwoodclaret** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:35 am

I’m reading “From Orient to Emirates” by Tim Quelch. What emerges most clearly from this is the quality and commitment of the board as it has evolved over the past 30 years. At many points , mismanagement of assets would have sunk Burnley FC, but the opposite has happened. SD is not only the best of a series of recent managers , but is a symbol of the trajectory that this cub is on. We are where we are because of the vision of the board and the managers players and fans who have bought into that vision. We may , as some have said have a a few ups and downs , but all the evidence points to a general upward direction.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:46 am

No less than 12th ever again

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:45 am

Thought about this and read everything above and then just decided two things.

a. I just haven't got a clue about the future only hopes and dreams.

b. The Future of BFC really will not change me, even if we get relegated into Division 5 of the Never Stick Paint and Van League, born a Claret always a Claret come what may. UTC

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:51 am

European tours.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:00 am

The test will come when Mr Dyche leaves.

IMO the new manager that does end up succeeding Mr Dyche, will need us to support him than Dyche does now.

You've seen whole clubs collapse in 1 season with toxic atmospheres and the blame game culture starting when a club legend manager ends up leaving. That can end up taking a decade to recover, if they do at all.

We are a small town , who needs the whole town behind them, and then some if we are to keep eating at the top table.

My dream at 8 was to see us beat Blackburn 1 day, I never even dared think we might be in the premier league beating the top clubs with regularity.
So now I'm living the dream now.
Can it get better?

It's undescribable what I'd be like if I ever saw us lift a major trophy or even jyst get to see us play away in 1 European competition game.

The fact that those 2 are not as far away as my dreams were when I was 8, shows how fantastic the board and Mr Dyche have done.

Let's all keep dreaming!

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:10 am

"......The longer were in the premier league our profits will get smaller as daft as it seems.
Wage bills go higher and higher so there's not much left at the end for transfers......"

Sorry Quickenthetempo, but that's complete nonsense and shows a lack of understanding of how football finances work at Burnley Football Club.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:24 am

BeijingClaret wrote:Where do you see Burnley Football Club going? In the next 5 years I expect us to have played ping pong with the EPL and the Championship once but hopefully we establish ourselves as a EPL team that never gets relegated. Then do we need a new stadium or do we major renovations to Turf? Manager? Is Sean Dyche staying forever? Is Dean Marney staying forever ?

Look at West Ham , Swansea, Southampton West Brom etc

Mid table one season relegation battle the next and spent far more than us on transfer fees and wages. Keep Dyche we should be ok. Lose him and who else is going to get 700% out of our mostly championship squad.

He is a genius and deserves a bronze statue.

Enjoy the sunshine and don't be bitter when it rains.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:27 am

We will stay up for a number of years and then fans will start becoming disgruntled, demanding a push for Europe and more money to be spent etc.

Appears to happen at a number of clubs each season.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:41 am

Crikey, there's quite a lot of pessisim on here.

I said 2 seasons ago that I had a feeling if we went up, we'll stay up. We stayed up last season and I think we're slowly, but consistently moving forward. At first, it was 1 step back, 2 steps forward (relegation yo-yo/ping-pong) but I now see it as 1 small step forward each season.

We have the manager, but let's not forget we also have the board, who will be learning a lot every season. If/when Dyche does leave, I'm sure we'll be able to pass the baton onto another great manager who can keep moving us forward.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:10 pm

Let's analyse it a bit.

Why are we where we are now?

1. A board who currently have their head screwed on and, I hope, are not spending money we don't have (as was done in the ITV Digital fiasco).

2. Sky television money. We're a club that can't do well compared to others based on gate money and other club income alone. That has and will always be so. The Sky money, ironically, seems to take us nearer to other Premier teams because it is by far the largest source of income.

3. Sensible team management. I'm not sure all the previous managers were that good appointments. Cotterill did the job required but could not take us further. We got lucky with Coyle in that the stars seem to be aligned just for that season. Laws, Howe - well. Dyche seems to me unique.

Where can it go wrong?

1. The board get over ambitious. They either seek outside investment and lose control of the club, or they over extend what we've got with ambitious player purchases or ground developments. It's happened before and I see no reason it couldn't happen again.

2. Sky money dries up. At the moment that doesn't look like happening. Indeed the opposite is the case, with increases coming from the overseas market. Other ways the sky money could be damaged is if the big clubs get even greedier, viewer numbers decline, or the general economy fails in a big way. The latter seems the most likely to me. Of course that will affect all clubs but as we are here because of Sky (and we've timed it nicely because the income from television has never been higher and the gap between the Premier League and the Championship never greater) we will fall if it collapses.

3. Dyche will leave. I just can't see anyone adequately replacing him. It's a long time since we had a manager that is so attuned to our circumstances and what he does works for us. Looking round, who on earth can replace him and not bring with him an ego that tells him to change things to his way. This is the most obvious risk for our future. I hope the board are looking periodically at the managerial talent so that they are ready when the day dawns.

So where do I see the future. I've no idea so the best thing is, as Dyche has suggested, to enjoy the moments.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:19 pm

I thi k with Dyche we should be doing what we did with raks replacing keane. We should be grooming Duff for that role.

Espia · Post by **Espia** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:21 pm

I think we could be looking to win the newly reformed EPL .... after the current big 6 who virtually always occupy the top 6 spots every season have been creamed off to become part of the newly created European Super league and the rest of us can be left to enjoy a more open and evenly balanced competition.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:31 pm

The longer we are in the Premier League the harder the fall will be when it comes, because so many of our players would want to leave. That's what makes the development of youngsters so important for the harder times that will come.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:34 pm

ablueclaret wrote:The longer we are in the Premier League the harder the fall will be when it comes, because so many of our players would want to leave. That's what makes the development of youngsters so important for the harder times that will come.

You really are a happy soul.
I'm more inclined to think that when the big 6 shove off to something even bigger we will be a very successful EPL club.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:42 pm

Still 10 years behind Bolton

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:06 pm

Espia wrote:I think we could be looking to win the newly reformed EPL .... after the current big 6 who virtually always occupy the top 6 spots every season have been creamed off to become part of the newly created European Super league and the rest of us can be left to enjoy a more open and evenly balanced competition.

I've been waiting for such a time ever since this lousy league arrangement blighted the game in 1992.

Get the greedy clubs out and try and keep them out so the rest can hopefully manage things better.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:01 pm

ablueclaret wrote:The longer we are in the Premier League the harder the fall will be when it comes, because so many of our players would want to leave. That's what makes the development of youngsters so important for the harder times that will come.

Tbh there's a good point in there. The longer ANY team remains in the PL the more they inevitably become dependent on staying there and we cannot be any different. The quality and profile of the players plus the wage bill, the club infrastructure etc, etc all become geared up for PL football with PL cash flow. Suddenly have a bad season and lose that status and it has a far, far bigger impact than being relegated after one season. The list of examples is endless and stretches far beyond Barstewards, Villa, S'land, Brum, Fulham, Sheff Utd, Sheff Wed etc, etc. Relegation after one season is far easier to ride out and bounce back from (as long as you're not run like Blackpool that is)

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:08 pm

Hopefully not like Sunderland

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:03 pm

"......Tbh there's a good point in there. The longer ANY team remains in the PL the more they inevitably become dependent on staying there and we cannot be any different......"

But Dark Cloud we ARE different. The fact that we have the 19th highest Wage bill in the PL (just Huddersfield behind us and that is marginal) means we are perfectly geared up to a return to the Championship and parachute payments if the worst happened.

We most certainly would not be returning the the EFL with an unrealistic and unsustainable Wage bill and that is what sets us apart from the rest. Our BOD have always erred on the side of caution and an almost inevitability that a return to the Championship is never too far away.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:12 pm

For the time being Roy - 4 or 5 more seasons in the top flight who knows what will happen as the fan pressure ramps up (remember we have some already demanding European football and the last few years have seen growing discontent about not getting/trying to get to a cup final)

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:19 pm

That may well be the case Chester Perry, from a fans' perspective at least.

But so long as we have the likes of Mike, John and Barry running the ship their principles as to how a football club should operate will remain unchanged.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:49 pm

here's praying Roy, here's praying

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:55 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:"......Tbh there's a good point in there. The longer ANY team remains in the PL the more they inevitably become dependent on staying there and we cannot be any different......"

But Dark Cloud we ARE different. The fact that we have the 19th highest Wage bill in the PL (just Huddersfield behind us and that is marginal) means we are perfectly geared up to a return to the Championship and parachute payments if the worst happened.

We most certainly would not be returning the the EFL with an unrealistic and unsustainable Wage bill and that is what sets us apart from the rest. Our BOD have always erred on the side of caution and an almost inevitability that a return to the Championship is never too far away.

Does that explain why we made a profit in the summer transfer window? The BOD's are banking on a return to the Championship soon?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:01 pm

Not banking on it, preparing in case more likely.
Plus we don't know what, if any, other deals didn't happen.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:04 pm

No I don't think that's the case for a minute KRBFC....... They refuse to allow the PL juggernaut to dictate how Burnley should operate as a football club. It's a kind of insurance policy if the worst comes to the worst.

The same reasoning will also apply in the next set of accounts to be published when we will see again a substantial profit.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:07 pm

Unless you are one of the top six, you have to understand that you could have a relegation struggle.

We understand that, the manager understands that, the players understand that, the board understands that, whilst lots of other clubs haven't worked that out yet, and go on about stuff that doesn't matter.

As long as we keep our feet on the ground that just plan each season with the aim to get to forty points asap, then we've done all we can do to stay at this level.

Anyone wanting us to move above this level has to have a reality check, and have one quickly.

This is (baring a European run) is as good as it gets for a club our size in the premier league.

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