Do you rail against Corbyn, Lily Allen, Sadiq Khan and Islam?

[Chobulous]

YAWN

[bobinho]

Oh well. I must be a racist killer in the making.

I’ll live with it.

Whilst I don’t condone his attack in any way, I don’t have much of an issue with his reasoning behind it. The three things mentioned in the first paragraph we should ALL be concerned about. If you’re not, you should be.

[Clarets4me]

If someone had posted " Are you a muslim ? " , " so were the killers of Lee Rigby and those who carried out the London and Manchester attacks " with all that statement implies, their post would rightly have been slated by virtually every poster on here...

Just when I think UTB's stupidity has reached new heights, he moves up another level !

[Braindead]

I wonder if the OP's methadone prescription has run out?

[HatfieldClaret]

Judging by his recent rants I think UTB is in meltdown mode.

File with bluelabrador etc

[Sidney1st]

Not overly excited by Corbyn, can't be doing with the professional apologizer and Khan is just another turdy politician.

[UpTheBeehole]

The crown said that Sarah Andrews, Osborne’s partner, had not previously regarded him as prejudiced. However, in the weeks before the attack his attitude changed after he watched Three Girls, a BBC TV drama about the Rochdale grooming scandal, and read extremist rightwing propaganda online that left him “brainwashed” and a “ticking time bomb”.

Rees told the jury: “Importantly, Ms Andrews will say she noticed that the defendant had become obsessed with Muslims in the weeks leading up to the incident. He accused them all of being rapists and belonging to paedophile gangs. The catalyst for his obsession appears to have been the broadcast of the BBC drama Three Girls, which they had watched together on the television. The drama was based on the true stories of victims of the Rochdale grooming gangs which comprised men of mainly British Pakistani origin.”

Osborne became obsessed with the scandal, the court heard, researching material on the internet from Tommy Robinson, co-founder of the English Defence League, and became increasingly vitriolic in his anti-Muslim rhetoric.

Rees told the jury: “The defendant started making racist comments about all Muslims raping children and being capable of blowing people up. It appeared to her that he was becoming brainwashed.”

Rees, for the crown, said: “Ms Andrews pleaded with the defendant to stop, telling him that all Muslims did not behave in this manner, but he was not interested in her views. With the benefit of hindsight, she describes him as a ticking time bomb.”

I've seen all those views on here from certain posters

[Burnley Ace]

Not at the same time

[quoonbeatz]

every time i hear about this guy i think its darren osborne who used to be a character in hollyoaks.

[Sidney1st]

Here we go, the true motive behind this post is now out in the open.

Just put the list up of names, those who you've decided are racist, upthebeehole.

It will be quicker in the long run, although probably a lot less entertaining I suppose.

[Vino blanco]

Surely we can Brexit, Trump and, of course, dear old Adolf into this thread.

[UpTheBeehole]

Here we go, the true motive behind this post is now out in the open.

Just put the list up of names, those who you've decided are racist, upthebeehole.

It will be quicker in the long run, although probably a lot less entertaining I suppose.

I said it in my OP

[Sidney1st]

No you didn't.

You've failed to name a single person on this forum on any of the threads you've posted in your efforts to lure them out.

Stop dicking about and put up the list of names.

[UpTheBeehole]

I said 'familiar views for many on here'

Or did you miss that bit?

[Sidney1st]

Did you miss the part where I said name them?

Clearly you did, so let's be having some names then.
All that will happen is this thread will descend into a tit for tat like your last one, so let's just cut to the chase and unmask the people who you've decided are racist.

If you aren't willing to do it, shut up.

[UpTheBeehole]

I've called out these posts as and when they've happened.

Nothing gets done about it though.

[Sidney1st]

So you haven't got a list of names?
Or you aren't willing to smear people and possibly get it wrong?

Grow a set and get on with it

[50 shades of Grey]

Sid, just don't bother engaging with the attention seeking weirdo.

I'm all for a bit of open debate, something different on a football forum, but all this regurgitated 'look at me, I'm the moral compass/ if you don't agree with me you are a fascist/ Nazi/ knuckle dragger', etc etc is just tedious.

People really are not bothering with this MB anymore because they cannot be bothered with self obsessed loonies like him.

[UpTheBeehole]

So you haven't got a list of names?
Or you aren't willing to smear people and possibly get it wrong?

Grow a set and get on with it

I let these people smear themselves

[Sidney1st]

That's why I've asked him to put up a list of names.

He keeps posting stuff to get out the racists when it's just easier to put the list of names up.

Clearly hasn't got the guts to do it.

[Sidney1st]

I let these people smear themselves

Chicken.

[randomclaret2]

Ive " called out " .What exactly does that mean.? Never heard it till maybe 2 or 3 years ago. Seems to be mainly used by those who have appointed themselves as superior to everyone else.

[randomclaret2]

It must be torturlre having to spend your time " calling out " people.

[claretandy]

Everything the guy said is true, there i said it.

[UpTheBeehole]

Everything the guy said is true, there i said it.

One

[UpTheBeehole]

Claretandy agrees with this:

The defendant started making racist comments about all Muslims raping children and being capable of blowing people up

[Sidney1st]

Still no list then.

Chicken.

[Braindead]

I have no time for Corbyn, Lily Allen or that numpty Sadiq Khan and I am also Church of England - what does this make me UTB?

Pray tell

[Damo]

Here follows a list of users that Upthebeehole wants to knock out...

[UpTheBeehole]

Everything the guy said is true, there i said it.

The court heard that Osborne falsely claimed to be in the army and, challenged by a soldier on which regiment he had served with, he said: “You will find out tomorrow.

That's not true.


Why do right wing nutjobs always pretend to be in the army?

[Sidney1st]

Still waiting for the list....

[claretandy]

Here follows a list of users that Upthebeehole wants to knock out...

I'm in the 110 club before most home games if he fancies his chances.

[UpTheBeehole]

Did you used to be in the army and all?

[claretandy]

Claretandy agrees with this:

stone me.

[claretandy]

Did you used to be in the army and all?

110 club if you fancy it keyboard warrior.

[UpTheBeehole]

Threats of violence again?

[UpTheBeehole]

You snowflakes don't like being called out on being racist c*nts do you?

[randomclaret2]

I doubt he'll show Andy.Virtue signalling from behind a keyboard is so much easier.

[Sidney1st]

Out of interest, why hasn't the bloke been charged with Racism?

Could it possibly be due to him targeting a religion and not a race?

Just putting it out there that it potentially wasn't a racist attack.

[randomclaret2]

Naughty words now ? Ooooh....

[Sidney1st]

You snowflakes don't like being called out on being racist c*nts do you?

Islam isn't a race.

When it is you'll have a point, until then you don't.

[randomclaret2]

And " called out " again . What does it mean ??

[Sidney1st]

Threats of violence again?

Looks to me that he's letting you know where he is so you can have him arrested on charges of racism.

[randomclaret2]

Dont spoil it Sidney...hes on a self righteous roll...

[Sidney1st]

OK, I'll go back to watching TV whilst he makes a div of himself.

[UpTheBeehole]

Ah the old 'anti-islam isn't racism' card.

Spoken like a true thick ****

[claretandy]

You snowflakes don't like being called out on being racist c*nts do you?

I will wear it as a badge of honour from the likes of you.

[UpTheBeehole]

Islam isn't a race.

When it is you'll have a point, until then you don't.

Muslims Aren’t A Race, So I Can’t Be Racist, Right? Wrong.

“Nonsense.” That is what people say when I accuse them of being racist. Their argument goes something like this: “Muslims are not even a race, so how the hell could I even be racist? You’re an idiot.” Because Muslims are not a race, people believe that any type of violence or oppression directed towards them cannot be racially motivated; that this form of hatred — known as Islamophobia — cannot be racism.

First, let me be clear. It is true that Muslims are not a race. The word “Muslim” itself connects to followers of Islam, a world religion — not a “race.” Muslims are a diverse religious grouping, and, in fact, one of the most heterogeneous populations in the world. In theory, the ummah - or global Muslim community - is made up of many “races.” Moreover, not all Muslims are simply born “Muslim,” like people are born White or Black. Muslim identity is something that one can acquire through conversion. In this sense, Muslim identity is nurtured and not natured.

Since I am focusing on the subject of identity and race, let me extend this discussion to other social groupings.

If Muslims are not a race, than which group is? Some people might immediately point to Black people, and say, “that is definitely a race. Look at their skin color.” But, to be exact, Black people are not a race either. Neither, for that matter, are White people.

Okay, now you might wonder about Jewish people? Certainly they are a race, right? Science proves they — like White and Blacks — are not a race either.

And what about Asians? Are they a race?

Nope. Asians are not a race.

The Indigenous People of America, a race?

Nope, not a race.

You see, there is no such thing as race or races, traditionally understood. Scientists long ago proved that race is not a biological reality but a myth, a socially constructed concept. Yet, despite the data, human beings have been programmed to associate specific things to certain “racial groups”; things like intelligence, work ethic, family values, and behavior. As such, we have been brainwashed to think that some groups are inherently better than others, and that the White race — to be frank — is better than all.

Race — as one of my favorite sociologists, the late (and great) Stuart Hall put it - is a “floating signifier,” meaning that it is a fluid concept which has specific connotations during certain moments in history. Races, in short, have never been exclusively biologically determined but rather politically constructed by powerful people, usually dominant groups in societies.

According to Hall, there is a new type of racism — “cultural racism,” which is my focus here. Racism is no longer about race (skin color) but culture. People are Othered and discriminated against not (simply) because of the color of their skin (or other phenotypes) but because of their beliefs and practices associated with some “imagined culture.”

Cultural racism, therefore, happens when certain people perceive their beliefs and customs as being culturally superior to the beliefs and customs of other groups of people. Cultural racism, in-turn, reproduces the idea of “the hierarchy of cultures,” meaning, in the context of current affairs, that “our” Western culture is superior to “their” Islamic culture. This way of thinking is problematic because it essentializes diverse classifications like “Westerners” and “Muslims.” It creates a binary of “Western = civilized” and “Islamic = uncivilized.”

Bobby Sayyid, another favorite thinker of mine, argues that Islamophobia is undoubtedly a form of racism. He regards it as a type of racism that “takes up the white man’s burden for the new American century. It is a humanitarian intervention, not a mission civilisatrice; [Islamophobia] only wants to spread democracy not to expropriate resources; it does not want to exterminate ignoble savages, only to domesticate unruly Muslims.” In this context, the U.S. invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan can be treated as wars driven by cultural racism. Bush wanted to spread “democracy” and “liberate” Muslims, particularly women, among other things. Muslims, he theorized, were incapable of developing these “culturally superior” ways of life on their own, so they must be molded and trained to be more like “us,” the civilized people. If racism represents systemic oppression based upon preconceived notions (or stereotypes) of particular social groups, then the U.S. government is most definitely guilty of racism. To be specific, cultural racism.

Sayyid makes another point that is worth mentioning. He states that Muslims are depicted in public discourse as “arch-villains,” an idea which produces all sorts of “racist anxieties” in the minds of non-Muslims. Yet, despite the obvious connections between racism and anti-Muslim sentiment, Islamophobia has been presented as nothing as sordid as racism, “but rather a rational response to real threats to western, nay universal, values,” as he puts it.

Let me be clear here. There is nothing rational about Islamophobia. Treating Muslims poorly because they are Muslim is racism. It is that simple. If someone gives a Muslim women wearing the hijab a dirty look, sorry, but you are racist. If someone assaults a Muslim woman wearing the hijab — which has recently happened in Toronto — yeah, you are a racist. Time to face the music.

Need more proof that Islamophobia is a form of cultural racism? Consider the experience of Inderjit Singh Mukker. Mukker was assaulted in September 2015 for “looking Muslim”; he was dragged out of his car and beaten to a pulp by a man screaming “you’re a terrorist, bin Laden!” The twist here is that Mukker is not even Muslim; he is Sikh. The perpetrator of this crime looked at Mukker’s turban and thought “he’s a Muslim. He’s dangerous.” A cultural symbol, in this case, was used as a signifier to judge an entire group of people, however wrongly. Is this racism? Most definitely. Even Sikhs suffer from Islamophobia.

Ultimately, the issue here is “racism without race,” as sociologist Eduardo Bonilla-Silva calls it. The more we assume that race is limited to skin color, the less we understand about contemporary racism faced by Muslims at home and abroad. Now is the time to teach youth that racism is much more than the white-black dichotomy. Racism is changing in its form, but the beast is still very much alive and well.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-co ... 91660.html

[randomclaret2]

The thrill of your first swear words...."Mummy, I said ****" ...lol

[claretandy]

Just been watching your antifa lot on sky news, they like to sucker punch don't they, i'd better be careful ....