lee howey taking the ****. one of the worst players ive ever seen in claret and blue

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Wasn't Steve Blatherwick around at about that time and he was pretty awful !!

Westyd wrote:Wasn't Steve Blatherwick around at about that time and he was pretty awful !!

Blatherwick went on to have a decent career at the level we were at.

As for Howey, not good at all, but certainly not our worst player even at that time.

Not as p****d as we had to be to pay to watch him...

He wasn't good enough and needs to come to terms with that fact.

Clarets4me wrote:Not as p****d as we had to be to pay to watch him...

Or as p******d as he appeared to be when he ran out on the pitch.

You can add Mark Ford and the defender Michael Williams to that batch brought in by (T)Waddle.

What's the point of writing and publishing an autobiography that nobody gives a flying **** about?

Wasn't he one of the players Stan effectively sacked live on the radio along with Blatherwick, Ford and Michael Williams?

Vintage Claret wrote:Wasn't he one of the players Stan effectively sacked live on the radio along with Blatherwick, Ford and Michael Williams?

I think so.

Wasn't he waddles brother in law? He was awful like an immobile Noel gifton Williams

Vintage Claret wrote:Wasn't he one of the players Stan effectively sacked live on the radio along with Blatherwick, Ford and Michael Williams?

Yes, but not Ford - so far as I recall, Wasn't it Mark Winstanley.?

Didn't Stan say that one of those who broke the curfew started crying and begging for another chance?
You can imagine Stan's reaction to that.

nil_desperandum wrote:Yes, but not Ford - so far as I recall, Wasn't it Mark Winstanley.?

Winstanley?, yes, but I think Stan said he wasn't up to the job at that level, no lack of effort implied, but he would never win the crowd over, or something similar.

boatshed bill wrote:Didn't Stan say that one of those who broke the curfew started crying and begging for another chance?
You can imagine Stan's reaction to that.

That was in his book but it didn't say which player.

gawthorpe_view wrote:Winstanley?, yes, but I think Stan said he wasn't up to the job at that level, no lack of effort implied, but he would never win the crowd over, or something similar.

He was a trier winstanley he just had a habit of making mistakes and the other team normally scored, he was probably very unlucky.

Shore claret wrote:That was in his book but it didn't say which player.

To be fair Stan’s book can be found in the Fiction section.

Shore claret wrote:That was in his book but it didn't say which player.

It was Michael Williams that Stan was referring to with that quote....

EDIT: I've replied to the wrong quote, Michael Williams was the one Stan referred to as " Not lacking application, a trier, but he'll never win the crowd over "... As for the player pleading after a " Nightclub incident ", I've no idea who that was ... Apologies..

Clarets4me wrote:It was Michael Williams that Stan was referring to with that quote....

Binned Williams for his own good, as I recall it.

“‘Lee. We’ve just accepted an offer from Burnley for you. Let me tell you, we don’t want you to go. But I know you’ve been a bit frustrated lately, so it’s entirely up to you.’

Yeah, that REALLY is what bosses say when they don't want someone to leave.

Think it was rumour about Howey been waddles brother in law. Recall a post match by waddle when he slated the fans over the criticism towards Howey. Think he might have played as a forward in that game. He was poor.

Vintage Claret wrote:Wasn't he one of the players Stan effectively sacked live on the radio along with Blatherwick, Ford and Michael Williams?

I believe it was Blatherwick, Howey, Williams and Winstanley.

NL Claret wrote:Think it was rumour about Howey been waddles brother in law. Recall a post match by waddle when he slated the fans over the criticism towards Howey. Think he might have played as a forward in that game. He was poor.

He definitely wasn't Waddle's Brother in law. I think it was people looking for reasons as to why he was playing him!

sums Waddle up perfectly

I quite liked winstanley and to me was far better than the others stan moved on.

I loved in when Stan took over.

IndigoLake wrote:I believe it was Blatherwick, Howey, Williams and Winstanley.

I think you're right, cheers.

Mark winstanley was the worst player I've seen in a Burnley shirt..my heart used to sink when I heard the tossers name announced over the P.A system before the game

Blackburnclaret wrote:Mark winstanley was the worst player I've seen in a Burnley shirt..my heart used to sink when I heard the tossers name announced over the P.A system before the game

Harsh.

fidelcastro wrote:Harsh.

No it isn't

Blackburnclaret wrote:Mark winstanley was the worst player I've seen in a Burnley shirt..my heart used to sink when I heard the tossers name announced over the P.A system before the game

Depends when you started watching. He was a lot better than most of those who played in the mid to late 80s.

How proud Howey must be.

Terrier wrote:I quite liked winstanley and to me was far better than the others stan moved on.

He seems a really decent bloke Mark Winstanley, he delivered trusses for my job last week, the hiab on his wagon was broken so we had a good half hour with him having a giggle and chatting whilst awaiting a friendly farmer to give us a lift off with his loadall. Very nice 'lad' (he's just turned 50).

nil_desperandum wrote:Depends when you started watching. He was a lot better than most of those who played in the mid to late 80s.

Started watching in 1980 ..

It's electrifying.

Blackburnclaret wrote:Started watching in 1980 ..

Then you should know that there have been far worse than him.

fidelcastro wrote:Then you should know that there have been far worse than him.

name one

Blackburnclaret wrote:name one

Off the top of my head... Michael Williams, Mark Caughey, David Jones (Mk I), Tony Hancock, Les Lawrence, Mark Yates... they were all worse players in my opinion.

Before you say that none of them were defenders, then I'd say that Jamie Hoyland, Lee Howey (as the thread is about him), Steve Gardner and Steve Morgan were all worse than Winstanley.

Apologies for bringing up some of these names... memories of which have had to be treated by years of counseling for some

Some bad ones there ..I'll give you that ...but still rate winstanley as bad if not worse than them ..my opinion of course

morpheus2 wrote:He seems a really decent bloke Mark Winstanley. Very nice 'lad' (he's just turned 50).

His attitude sounds worse than his talent!

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Howey must have been ****** when he played too. Genuinely dreadful player.
Never showed any evidence how he managed to become a pro footballer.

“Looking back, Howey, who’s brother Steve played for rivals Newcastle United, can’t help but feel he could have been apart of that successful Black Cats team.”

He would’ve been nowhere near that team. He was rubbish.

Jamie Hoyland

Jamie Hoyland was a far better player than Mark Winstanley

Had a good career at a decent level as well

I didn’t mind Winstanley. A bit error prone at times, but some games I remember thinking he’d played fantastic. Different level of football to now mind. I remember him hitting the crossbar at Bury away with a thunderbolt of a shot. Well, that’s how I recall it.

Lancasterclaret wrote:Jamie Hoyland was a far better player than Mark Winstanley

Had a good career at a decent level as well

Correct, but we had many defenders who were worse than Winstanley in our 4th division days.
Joe Gallagher - not his fault - playing on one leg being an obvious one, and then there were players like Morgan, Heggarty, Heesom, Palmer .... I could name another dozen.
Before he is labelled "worst ever" it should be remembered that he was playing in a higher division. (191 appearances for a good Bolton side before he moved to us and clocked up another 150.)

Winstanley was nowhere near the worst player for us, even in the teams he was playing for us in.

I didn't mind Winstanley at all. I certainly remember being very pleased when he scored a brace at The New Den in our 94/95 1st Division Campaign, helping give us a rare away win in that ultimately unsuccessful season. He seemed to be very unlucky in the fact that nearly all his mistakes seemed to be punished with goals. Even in games we won handsomely, he could drop a rick. When we beat York City 7:2 in Waddle's reign, I believe that they opened the scoring that day when their forward ran onto a clearance that Winstanley had shanked towards his own goal.

In other matters, the Infamous Four who were sacked on live radio by Stan could well have been Five. Stan once told me(at a Q&A - we're not best buddies or owt) that, Had Mark Ford not have broken his leg in the previous Home Game against Bristol Rovers(courtesy of then player-manager Ian Holloway) he'd have joined the other Four on the Naughty Step.

Weren’t the three of them hooked at half time, and the rest of the team sent back out onto the pitch......?

Blatherwick was friends with a bloke from the village (Read) and when I went in the Stork after the match Bkatherwick was sat there in tracksuit.......I couldn’t resist saying “could have gone better today”......he did say he’d never experienced anything like it at half time.....

fidelcastro wrote:Off the top of my head... Michael Williams, Mark Caughey, David Jones (Mk I), Tony Hancock, Les Lawrence, Mark Yates... they were all worse players in my opinion.

Before you say that none of them were defenders, then I'd say that Jamie Hoyland, Lee Howey (as the thread is about him), Steve Gardner and Steve Morgan were all worse than Winstanley.

Apologies for bringing up some of these names... memories of which have had to be treated by years of counseling for some

Jamie Hoyland was a midfielder for us and a great player at the time.