Today's selections, plus a rough guide to stables in form, great believer in stable form especially with smaller stables. To get a true picture you need to drill deeper in the the stats ( horses SP/ to finishing position etc to determine if horse running above expectations etc ) and sometimes it's a case of a stable having big priced placed horses that indicate the horses are hitting form.. or a winner after a barren spell.So just a guide, but far better to take into account than ignore !!

Smaller Stables
Mrs R Dobbin ................ WLLW4WWW2W2
P Winks ......................... WLL34W
Dr R Newland ......... ...... WW24L2343
J Scott ........................... 2LLWWWW
Jo Hughes ..................... 2LLL22WW

Larger Stables
Ed Walker ..................... 3/5
K Ryan .......................... 5/15
J Gosden ..................... 5/10
Mrs Sue Smith ............. 6/18
C Tizzard ..................... 4/10
C Gordon ...................... 6/20
A Honeyball ................. 8/20
W Greatrix ................... 5/20


CATTERICK

14.35

MODULUS .. trading at 10 .5 on Betfair .. Hit form at this time just year and went in to win 4 races, dropped down to last winning mark , stable had a couple of winners.

ROCKALZARO ...... trading at 4.3 on Betfair... won here when making all over shorter trip,then third behind a hires which has won again, every chance he will stay this trip .

15.35

MOTION TO STRIKE ... trading at 21.0 on Betfair small stable had its first winner in a long time and Brian Hughes booked,his quiet style might suit as is 0-12 and has looked a bit weak in a finish, so not one to trust completely ..watch the market

MONFASS ..... trading at 5.00 on Betfair .. upped 9 lb for latest win but looks to be improving, useful 5lb claimer on board , stable in fine form , and dropping down in class , last race C2 , this C4

Plumpton and Wolverhampton to follow

PLUMPTON


15.25

NORSE LEGEND ... trading at 3.2 on Betfair.. dropped in class and 17lb Lowe than highest rating , changed stables , has won over this course and will love the ground , if retaining ability should go close .

DING DING .... trading at 10.5 on Betfair .. five times winner here , won this race last year

15.50

Le Coeur Net . Didn't beat much last time and has taken a hefty weight rise and may struggle to confirm form with Two Hoots

RAMORE WILL .. trading at 6.4 on Betfair.. all his wins have been on ground better than this but has been running in slightly better class and always runs his race




16.20

SHOOFLY MILLY .. trading at 16.0 on Betfair.. ran a little better than last placing suggests, and usually comes to hand around this time of year , ground will suit and stable among the winners .

SANDHURST LAD .. Trading at 4.5 on Betfair .. lightiy raced and a winner and second from two runs here, cheekpieces on again .

16.50

Question marks over just about every runner in this field

DREWMAIN LEGEND ....... trading at 5.1 on Betfair .. lightly raced but running well , actually upped a few pounds for last run , too conditional booked , and stables last runner a winner .

Flyingboltclaret wrote:PLUMPTON


15.25

NORSE LEGEND ... trading at 3.2 on Betfair.. dropped in class and 17lb Lowe than highest rating , changed stables , has won over this course and will love the ground , if retaining ability should go close .

DING DING .... trading at 10.5 on Betfair .. five times winner here , won this race last year

15.50

Le Coeur Net . Didn't beat much last time and has taken a hefty weight rise and may struggle to confirm form with Two Hoots

RAMORE WILL .. trading at 6.4 on Betfair.. all his wins have been on ground better than this but has been running in slightly better class and always runs his race




16.20

SHOOFLY MILLY .. trading at 16.0 on Betfair.. ran a little better than last placing suggests, and usually comes to hand around this time of year , ground will suit and stable among the winners .

SANDHURST LAD .. Trading at 4.5 on Betfair .. lightiy raced and a winner and second from two runs here, cheekpieces on again .

16.50

Question marks over just about every runner in this field

DREWMAIN LEGEND ....... trading at 5.1 on Betfair .. lightly raced but running well , actually upped a few pounds for last run , too conditional booked , and stables last runner a winner .

will have a little flutter on these later...hope I'm lucky.

Gone for ding ding at 3.20

cutsy123 wrote:Gone for ding ding at 3.20

Thought i had it there on the last bend

Sand hurst couldn't hang on... 31lb to much to give

Is that 32 in a row that haven’t won?

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Is that 32 in a row that haven’t won?

Just had a count up indeed it is! They say things come in 3s? But not 32s?Keep it going mate,your making people a few quid on your losers

bfc1984 wrote:Just had a count up indeed it is! They say things come in 3s? But not 32s?Keep it going mate,your making people a few quid on your losers

Imagine the fortune you would make laying all his tips in perms. Would never have to work again after a week or so

Ooooh the pot and kettles.... Gamblings a mugs game. Unless your one of the three stooges.

Goobs wrote:Imagine the fortune you would make laying all his tips in perms. Would never have to work again after a week or so

Thanks for the positive comments .. At least I appear to be of some help .. and it proves my point that we all have losses no runs no matter how good we are .. and in the long run gambling doesn't pay ( as shown by Happys erratic staking )

And again even Laying all my tips you would show a loss .. so please don't cherry pick the results

That's the reason the cumulative P/L is posted daily .. and why others decided not to post

I have said on numerous occasions that I trade and green up pre off .. and have advised others to give trading a go

bfc1984 wrote:Just had a count up indeed it is! They say things come in 3s? But not 32s?Keep it going mate,your making people a few quid on your losers

You don't need to count up its all in my P/L which I'm happy to post .. unlike others.

19.10

NOVABRIDGE ... Trading at 4.9 on Betfair.. probably better at Newcastle but has won here, stables sprinters running well and has the beating of several of these .

19.40

ROYS LEGACY ... Trading at 4.8 on Betfair.. finished behind the much improved Something Lucky on serval occasions and has won off much higher marks in the past

20.10

GEORGIAN BAY .. trading at 8.2 on Betfair ... better class than these on his day and last run in C2 ...this is a much easier race

ROCK ICON ... trading at 11.5 on Betfair .. upped in class but won comfortably on his last run here ..

20.40

IDOL DEPUTY ... Trading at 21.0 on Betfair ..veteran who loves this course , was winning a C4 this time last year of nearly a stone higher mark. First signs of a return to form last time under today's rider .

OUTLAW TORN... Trading at 5.4 on Betfair ... well drawn to make all , and in the firm of his life .

I don't ...well I do understand the three posters all over the thred they've got the secret betting syndicate going on for them contend yourselves with that.your quids in sureley.? Your like school ground bullies.

tim_noone wrote:I don't ...well I do understand the three posters all over the thred they've got the secret betting syndicate going on for them contend yourselves with that.your quids in sureley.? Your like school ground bullies.

Your right . Ever since I started posting certain posters have done their best to let's say " made life difficult " .. even to the extent of advising posters to block me

And incidently if you wish to receive " Happys bets " you have to be vetted and I've had several emails forwarded to me, which he has sent out to posters saying ...

"we have to get rid of flyingbolt" and "try contacting the mods and tell them the situation."

Very childish but also petty and bullying

Just enjoy the racing threads .. give your views .. agree/ disagree but don't try to stop others posting

How many forums do you post on Flyingbolt?

Seems odd, somebody coming along to a football forum, not wanting to interact on any footballing subjects.

I don't get how you think you could just come here to post your 'tips' without thinking you would be sussed out?

You're posting tips for people to bet on, that you're not actually betting on yourself, as you say you 'trade'.

Now anyone wanting to make some serious money on trading, want the price to be driven down if I've understood your posts correctly?
.... the more people jump on the horses you're trading (which you're leading people to believe is a good bet) the more money you can make?

So you're on here (and multiple other forums/outlets I'm guessing) posting horses for your own gain? Not to actually help clarets fans on here to any winners?

Ooooooh I love a good conspiracy theory

That is a ridiculous statement to make re trading and my presence on this message board

1.. there's enough liquidity in the markets for me or anyone using " small stakes to take an opening position and and close it before the off . That is whether my opening position is a back or a lay

2... If my opening position is a " Lay trade " then I would want the price to go out.If I'm scalping I'd want the horse im trading to move up and down in a small ( couple of ticks ) range etc

3... the only other forum I post in is a trading forum , where surprisingly all manner of subjects are discussed without the posters being interrogated or questioned.. and debated without others advising blocking posts they have no interest in .

4... I posted my selections and opinion on the racing threads not started by me .. and I read other posts mainly football related which interest me .. maybe you should question that poster

5 .. I suggest you go and check every other poster on here who doesn't contribute to the football threads .. then interrogate them
6..there are many and varied topics discussed on here, an awful lot not football related . Which is why this board fares better than other

7.. don't take the racing thread so seriously . It's meant to be fun .. and don't believe you can gamble and make racing pay .. Happys P/L clearly shows that

8... maybe question the other posters motive .. or like most of us read what you want .. don't read what your clearly not interested in

9 . Stop guessing . It can make you look foolish !!

9 very defensive points there.
Guesswork can be beneficial, I'm trying to understand your motive for posting here.
It's clearly not to help people.

What's all this questioning people about.if you want to talk football go an talk ...

tim_noone wrote:What's all this questioning people about.if you want to talk football go an talk ...

It's the people like you who's following him that I'm trying to protect.

ClaretinMyBlood wrote:9 very defensive points there.
Guesswork can be beneficial, I'm trying to understand your motive for posting here.
It's clearly not to help people.

I didn't realise to post on here ...you had to help people? Which in itself is a good thing by the way..but who are you to dictate to anyone.

ClaretinMyBlood wrote:It's the people like you who's following him that I'm trying to protect.

Thanks...I don't need protecting. Much appreciated.

If you're trying to advise somebody to gamble yet not gambling yourself, there has to be some motive?
Oh well, tried to warn ya.
Good luck.

ClaretinMyBlood wrote:9 very defensive points there.
Guesswork can be beneficial, I'm trying to understand your motive for posting here.
It's clearly not to help people.

Why are my posts unhelpful. I always answer any queries and the most helpful thing I post on here is the P/L of anyone posting selections on the racing thread regularly . Then people can make there own minds up .

If you find my post unhelpful and of no benifit . Just don't read them .. and stop trying to find something that isn't there .. I'm passionate about racing .. do my race profiling before trading .. which gives me an idea of how the markets will move .. and did out a few views on certain races .. band post them on here

It's a fun thing .. I read the forum . Saw the racing the thread . Posted my views . Which differed to Happys . I don't gamble .. he does .. he took umbrage .. maybe his motives are the Ines you should be questioning .

Just enjoy this board and chill

Interesting perspective tho

ClaretinMyBlood wrote:If you're trying to advise somebody to gamble yet not gambling yourself, there has to be some motive?
Oh well, tried to warn ya.
Good luck.

I ve never advised anyone to gamble .. read my posts . Have always said trading is the safest option . Small profits and protecting your bank being the priority

ClaretinMyBlood wrote:If you're trying to advise somebody to gamble yet not gambling yourself, there has to be some motive?
Oh well, tried to warn ya.
Good luck.

Last week there were multiple winners three days on the trot due to some secret betting tips.comments such as I only got 22/1 blah blah and someone vetting people to join him...asking for personal details. Absolute b0!!ox IMO by grown men. And 1bigEGO.

Not buying it, but keep up the good work,
I'll be rich soon laying these selections

ClaretinMyBlood wrote:9 very defensive points there.
Guesswork can be beneficial, I'm trying to understand your motive for posting here.
It's clearly not to help people.

My first posting on racing thread I used to read the board and racing threads then joined a week or so ago only to find all this bickering and Happy gone

I used to read and bet on some of haooy tips and fbs when he came on both had good winners it was up to me which I used
Then Happy left can kinda under stand why but think if he was posting to help others he should gave stayed and he shouldn't have boasted about what he was coining in

Anyway I mailed him to see if I could still get his tips and guess he is checking folks out and he told me to complain about fb

Can't understand why he asked me to do that , havnt replied to him cis don't want to argue but think that's wrong hope he gives his head a shake. and comes back

There's room for everyone and no need for this

I had a quick go at "scalping" on BetAngel a few months back and found i really didnt know what i was doing..unable to read the market accurately.

Tonight i have signed up for a 14 day free trial and trying it out in practice mode for the Wolverhampton meeting tonight.
I have changed technique in that i am on the one click section rather than ladders and i am backing the favourite just before post using a method taught on Youtube by the guru on that site. It auto lays at much lower odds and the hope is that in running (and being the favourite) its odds will drop to match the lay bet and so ensure profit once it is greened up.
I made £3/£7 profit on the majority of the races using £10 stakes with only the last being a small loss. I am certainly intrigued and look forward to testing it more.

Practice mode is a good way to learn the different functions but the physiology is different when using real money

Have you tried trading on the ladder yet .. that's the screen I use . And yes it's fascinating and I would never go back to backing horses again
Still trying to get my head round setting up some automation but there's so much help on the forum and videos that Peter post on YouTube

But really in running is a no no . Green up before the off . You only need one in running trade to go tuts up and you could blow your bank

Good luck tho

I really don't understand the argument here. Happy is a run of the mill punter who posts his tips of wisdom. Your choice whether to go with them. FB is a trader. A big difference. Long term a punter will generally lose..a trader that has a reasonable grasp will always profit..slowly but surely. Much the same as matched betting (which i have made about 5/6K on) it is all about long term gain and willpower..not short term big buzz hits. Room for them both if they can stop the petty bickering.

Mondays results

CATTERICK

14.35
MODULUS .. .......... UNPLACED
ROCKALZARO ...... UNPLACED

15.35
MOTION TO STRIKE ....... UNPLACED
MONFASS ..................... 3rd

PLUMPTON


15.25

NORSE LEGEND ........... UNPLACED
DING DING ................... 2nd

15.50
RAMORE WILL .............. 3rd

16.20
SHOOFLY MILLY ................ UNPLACED
SANDHURST LAD .............. 2nd

16.50
DREWMAIN LEGEND ....... UNPLACED

WOLVERHAMPTON

19.10
NOVABRIDGE ... UNPLACED

19.40
ROYS LEGACY ... W 7/2

20.10
GEORGIAN BAY .. UNPLACED
ROCK ICON ... .....UNPLACED

20.40
IDOL DEPUTY ... 2nd 14/1
OUTLAW TORN... UNPLACED

Level stakes profit/loss of - 11.5 Pts on the day

Running cumulative total + 1.75 Pts

I used a technique Peter showed on one of his vids. I can see the risk but the assumption is that the favourite will generally be involved in the action at the end of the race and so its price will drop and the lay will match. Certainly worked tonight. Offset bet with greening and 40 ticks. Like i said its all new and at test stage. I tried ladders before and couldnt work out when the market was moving up or down. I guess that is the knack.

Somethingfishy wrote:I really don't understand the argument here. Happy is a run of the mill punter who posts his tips of wisdom. Your choice whether to go with them. FB is a trader. A big difference. Long term a punter will generally lose..a trader that has a reasonable grasp will always profit..slowly but surely. Much the same as matched betting (which i have made about 5/6K on) it is all about long term gain and willpower..not short term big buzz hits. Room for them both if they can stop the petty bickering.

I can't work it out either .. I know trading is a form of gambling but if you do it correctly it minimises risk and protects your bank and you can start with a small bank

Happy is an old time punter . Know his form and stats but can't manage risk .. those P/L he posted might look impressive to a punter . But the staking was frightening .. nothing but gambling .. and like you say he will lose long term .. doubt he could trade with his ego tho

Like you say room for different opinions

Somethingfishy wrote:I used a technique Peter showed on one of his vids. I can see the risk but the assumption is that the favourite will generally be involved in the action at the end of the race and so its price will drop and the lay will match. Certainly worked tonight. Offset bet with greening and 40 ticks. Like i said its all new and at test stage. I tried ladders before and couldnt work out when the market was moving up or down. I guess that is the knack.

I just trade manually using the ladder .. and have it set in reverse .. if you watch enough vids you'll master it . You can always put a stop loss on to limit any trades that go into the red

Could be quite embarrassing setting up a thread to measure yourself against someone else. The other person then doesn’t post any tips and you still lose.

Good job you chose to start the thread after a good day.

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Could be quite embarrassing setting up a thread to measure yourself against someone else. The other person then doesn’t post any tips and you still lose.

Good job you chose to start the thread after a good day.

Good job I dndt include Happys 16 losers .. chill it's all a bit if fun !!

Not embarrassing in the slightest wouldn't expect to make level stake profit .. and neither would Happy

Quite happy to post the P/L from my selections on here

Be more concerned Iif stopped posting because I didn't want my selections recorded to level stakes profit .. but posted horrendous P/L from my Betfair account to prove I was making a profit

Now that is embarrassing !!

At least others can see that Happys gambling is unsustainable

I enjoy reading both and it's my choice where my cash goes if it goes anywhere!but I don't like the criticism of FB. In a pack like way because they don't like what he's said.ive had the same when questioning a barren run of tips...you would think I'd mugged an old lady!! I expected a reply on the lines of wrong jockeys conditions etc etc. Not a load of abuse of how dare I ask such a question! FB posted a 25/1 winner last week forgot it's name.no well dones.... Cool fitch won last year at 25/1 I've never heard the last of it.

tim_noone wrote:I enjoy reading both and it's my choice where my cash goes if it goes anywhere!but I don't like the criticism of FB. In a pack like way because they don't like what he's said.ive had the same when questioning a barren run of tips...you would think I'd mugged an old lady!! I expected a reply on the lines of wrong jockeys conditions etc etc. Not a load of abuse of how dare I ask such a question! FB posted a 25/1 winner last week forgot it's name.no well dones.... Cool fitch won last year at 25/1 I've never heard the last of it.

That is because a run of the mill punter will get excited by their big wins..lots of money in their pocket but all the bets that lose will dribble out of the pocket and won't be felt the same..all the time not realising..or in some cases actually realising that they are not making any money long term. Bookmakers are big companies for a reason.
Each to their own and i too put bets on at the weekend..mainly footy accas but i know long run i won't win..just a bit of fun. It is ok when you treat it like that..but when profits/winning are the be all and end all then it is time to worry.

Trading is certainly not for everyone but he is right when he says there is less risk and over time should bring in small profits..build slowly.

Somethingfishy wrote:That is because a run of the mill punter will get excited by their big wins..lots of money in their pocket but all the bets that lose will dribble out of the pocket and won't be felt the same..all the time not realising..or in some cases actually realising that they are not making any money long term. Bookmakers are big companies for a reason.
Each to their own and i too put bets on at the weekend..mainly footy accas but i know long run i won't win..just a bit of fun. It is ok when you treat it like that..but when profits/winning are the be all and end all then it is time to worry.

Trading is certainly not for everyone but he is right when he says there is less risk and over time should bring in small profits..build slowly.

It's just the sheer number if bets Happy seems to have , some inplay etc , and the stakes he uses .. you only need a bad run and your banks gone . And there are signs from his P/L that he chases loses .. like you say just a punter, excited to post his profits

Just stick to posting views and treat it as a bit of run . I enjoyed reading his posts

Quite easy with a £5O bank to make 10p / 20p per race .. 20 plus races a day more in the summer .. and if you trade greyhounds too ( liquidity poor and markets can be volatile) but it soon adds up .. better than winning £300 losing £100 etc

I will say I have more winners on the dogs than the horses. That must be down to only six dogs running.

Unreal how similar flyingbolt and somethingfishy's posts are.

.. between every sentence?

Haha

Total giveaway!!

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:Total giveaway!!

Oh please don't use that lame excuse when somebody makes a point that you disagree with but supports my assertions

Fact .. trading is less of a risk than gambling on horses .

Fact ... the profile of other posters P/L shows he is an old style punter using modern platforms .. a sophisticated claret punter of sorts ..

I'm happy to answer any questions but please don't resort to childish retorts .. I've read your posts and your better than that

Thanks for your view all the same

Trust me...I have been here a while..often posted on the matched betting threads that pop up started by Fretters and previously ClaretSi on the old forum (name got nicked on this one before i got here )..I have my own mind. I just don't see the gripe with FB either. Happy and FB are different types of gambler. Like i said each to their own i just tend to prefer the trading side of things rather than being a mug punter. I have no problem with Happy at all and tend to take note of his tips at Aintree and Cheltenham. Sorry to disappoint.

Oh dear..things you don't agree with and you resort to conspiracy theories. Childish. Lame. I have been here since the very early days of the previous messageboard. Mostly a reader rather than a poster though. This subject is of interest to me as i match bet and i have started trading. I have also been a mug punter in the past. Mug being the operative word. I prefer to make money. Made 5k on matched betting.

Goobs wrote:Ooooooh I love a good conspiracy theory

Welshclaret wrote:Flyingbolt claret = something fishy
How many more usernames bolt?

Come up with something original or better still make a contribution to the racing . You obviously enjoy it ..

Welshclaret wrote:Flyingbolt claret = something fishy
How many more usernames bolt?

Why cant you be "happy" with your 22/1 winner and enjoy spending it and stop trolling.