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"At least fifteen dead"....Fox News

This is the eighteenth school shooting this year in the USA.

ElectroClaret wrote:"At least fifteen dead"....Fox News

This is the eighteenth school shooting this year in the USA.

as in this calendar year?

If so that is mental.

bfccrazy wrote:as in this calendar year?

If so that is mental.

Yes, this year, or so a couple of channels have said.
Although I've just watched another channel and they say it's
twelve this year.

Edit....Seventeen confirmed dead. (Local Sheriff)

Sadly the gun clubs answer is still that teachers should be armed

Nothing will change in the good ol' US of A.

God Bless America.

Gun sales tomorrow will soar, as usual after these events, because
people will fear tighter gun controls will come in, making it harder to
buy a firearm.

The 18 gun related incidents this calendar year include a couple of suicides and accidental weapon firings and have, mostly, resulted in no injuries.https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/

bfcmik wrote:The 18 gun related incidents this calendar year include a couple of suicides and accidental weapon firings and have, mostly, resulted in no injuries.https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/

Oh, that's OK then! Since 2013 there's been 291 reported school shootings in America, which averages out at 1 per week. Crazy!

HunterST_BFC wrote:Sadly the gun clubs answer is still that teachers should be armed

Nothing will change in the good ol' US of A.

God Bless America.

Sounds like a good idea, certainly wouldn't harm to try it.

This is the third deadliest school shooting in terms of numbers.

It should be shocking, but it's not.

HunterST_BFC wrote:Sadly the gun clubs answer is still that teachers should be armed

Nothing will change in the good ol' US of A.

God Bless America.

I'm sure they'll be suggesting having armed Prefects before long.

Leisure wrote:Oh, that's OK then! Since 2013 there's been 291 reported school shootings in America, which averages out at 1 per week. Crazy!

That's shocking

KRBFC wrote:Sounds like a good idea, certainly wouldn't harm to try it.

If nothing else it would stop kids back chatting the teachers

Usual defensive responses from Americans on social media.

In a way they're right, change's to gun laws won't stop this happening because its simply too late with the number of guns in their country.

Another president offering condolences and prayers which one day is sure to work over policy change on guns.

Jim Jefferies absolutely nails it here.

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Congress is passing a Law to prevent Schools from prohibiting running in the school corridors; they want to give the kids a fighting chance.

and in part 2

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I give it five years, and that bunch of gun happy nutters will be passing laws that allows kids to take guns into school "for their own protection"

Tweet from a US based reporter

"I've now covered the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 9th deadliest shootings in American history. Been in the States just 2 years."

Ace

It's sort of an American tradition it happens that often now.

Just said on CBS news, as a reminder, around ninety other people were killed yesterday
across America by firearms, besides this incident.

I honestly don't understand why they don't just limit civilian gun ownership to handguns, shotguns and single fire rifles. Why on earth would anyone need anymore than that?

Lancasterclaret wrote:Tweet from a US based reporter

"I've now covered the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 9th deadliest shootings in American history. Been in the States just 2 years."

Ace

*achievement unlocked*

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I honestly don't understand why they don't just limit civilian gun ownership to handguns, shotguns and single fire rifles. Why on earth would anyone need anymore than that?

This less the handguns. Civilians really don't need weapons such as AK47s to protect themselves from looters. Many in the US see this as a right unfortunately.

Some appear to genuinely feel they need weapons in case of either invasion or to stop their government if it goes rogue.

I honestly don't understand why they don't just limit civilian gun ownership to handguns, shotguns and single fire rifles. Why on earth would anyone need anymore than that?

Because its no fun blowing stuff away when you can't just let rip on full automatic. Takes away all the fun.

does anyone even bat an eyelid when these shootings are reported anymore? just another day in america. country full of and led by idiots.

quoonbeatz wrote:does anyone even bat an eyelid when these shootings are reported anymore? just another day in america. country full of and led by idiots.

Yes because it's a devastating loss of young life and not just another day. It's not a country full of idiots either, though it has more than it's fair share.

Don't worry, Trump has got this. He's said that no child or teacher should fear for their lives at school. He obviously sends thoughts and prayers too.

And there we go, the nutter will crack on without changing anything until he says exactly the same when the next shooting occurs.

It really is sad and frightening.

quoonbeatz wrote:does anyone even bat an eyelid when these shootings are reported anymore? just another day in america. country full of and led by idiots.

taio wrote:
Yes because it's a devastating loss of young life and not just another day. It's not a country full of idiots either, though it has more than it's fair share.

Some people bat an eye lid, others don't.
I didn't have a clue it had happened until I was browsing twitter last night and spotted some comments that made me check the news.

Then I saw Piers Morgan's post demanding Trump take action pretty much, followed by the other stuff.

We can wring our hands or send our prayers as much as we like, but this will be allowed to carry on by the US government.

R.I.P. to those innocents who have been gunned down in the prime of their life..

Sadly it won't be long before we are reading about the next one..

I saw a news report this morning in which the father of one of the survivors (and a Doctor nonetheless) was on the one hand thanking God his daughter had made it out alive, whilst simultaneously defending his and other Americans rights to carry firearms. Talk about not being able to see the wood for the trees.

taio wrote:Yes because it's a devastating loss of young life and not just another day. It's not a country full of idiots either, though it has more than it's fair share.

18 shootings at schools in america this year alone, taio. there's only been 45 days - that's less than 1 every 3 days!

did anyone even know the other 18 had happened? perhaps a certain number of people have to be killed to make it newsworthy these days.

and that's my point. yes, absolutely, its a terrible loss of lives but if there was one school shooting here there would rightly be uproar. 18 is ridiculous. and the fact that its taken one on this scale for it to be reported over here shows how mainstream it is now, how desensitised people are to it.

its shocking that its happened but is anyone shocked by it happening yet again? i very much doubt it.

Sidney1st wrote:Some appear to genuinely feel they need weapons in case of either invasion or to stop their government if it goes rogue.

That's our fault.
The right to bear arms was after the independence, if Britain tried to retake the Colonies.
Britain was still one if not the main milatery powers of the world so the right to bear arms was for the population to have weapons incase we (or someone else) invaded again as the US was mainly a militia force and would have needed the increased manpower of its civilians.
Now they just seem intent on killing ther own civilians.

But as Charlton Heston said.
"I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands"

What chance do you have with that mentality.

Jeffbfc wrote:That's our fault.
The right to bear arms was after the independence, if Britain tried to retake the Colonies.
Britain was still one if not the main milatery powers of the world so the right to bear arms was for the population to have weapons incase we (or someone else) invaded again as the US was mainly a militia force and would have needed the increased manpower of its civilians.
Now they just seem intent on killing ther own civilians.

But as Charlton Heston said.
"I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands"

What chance do you have with that mentality.

No, it's their fault for being backwards enough to think it's still a relevant issue.

Not original, but the right to bear arms makes as much sense as the right to arm bears.

Sidney1st wrote:No, it's their fault for being backwards enough to think it's still a relevant issue.

The "that's our fault" was a exactly that. It isn't relevant any more.

Lancasterclaret wrote:Not original, but the right to bear arms makes as much sense as the right to arm bears.

http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/n ... an-region/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

arming bears makes more sense, seeing as donald has made them fair game for shooting again.

It's sad to think that the mentality of the NRA is far more dangerous to US citizens on American soil than radicalisation from Islamic State.

Since 1968 1.5 million American civilians have died as a result of guns.
All quiet from the gun lobbies at the moment,they usually give it 3 days before they start spouting their nationalist mantra regarding gun ownership.

Its all about population control bit harsh but it is the USA.

The system is broke. It gives way too much influence to a small minority of committed, noisy and usually wealthy individuals.

If America is serious about changing gun laws all it's citizens need to do is go and vote. And keeping voting. But they don't.

If 18 young American students had been shot outside the boundaries of the US there would would been outrage from Mr. Trump, the gun lobby and all their citizens.

Inside the US no such response only guns keep us safe.

I read an article on the ITV site where their US correspondent's children's spend more time on drills in case someone shots up the school than on outside sports.

He had mental health problems - so guessing he isn't Muslim.

Feel awful saying this but I did not feel one pang of emotion upon reading this on various news outlets. I`m afraid I have become desensitised to this nonsense in America. Awful though it is, the passivity of the US government on this issue is solely to blame for a collective shrugging of shoulders around the world. I`m afraid it will take some loner with rifles to open fire in Congress or Senate for the laws to be changed.

Hard to have much sympathy for the parents when they still want to keep guns:

"I'm a gun owner. I don't want the government taking my guns"

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Posted it before, but Dutch TV did rather nail the NRA last year

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