Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Due to the Russian Spy poisoning issue.
Will be very difficult to still compete
Will be very difficult to still compete
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
We'll probably be out after three games anyway.
Might as well keep the plane warmed up ont' runway.
Might as well keep the plane warmed up ont' runway.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Russia have done far worse than this so why act now?
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Because Boris said so...Quickenthetempo wrote:Russia have done far worse than this so why act now?
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
probably, russians are murderous ******* at the moment, widespread slaughter unabated in syria, mayhem with ukranies gas supplies.
constantly sending drug addled cheats into every single sporting event they enter.
they are a disgrace.
but we wont...naturally
constantly sending drug addled cheats into every single sporting event they enter.
they are a disgrace.
but we wont...naturally
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
At least it will save fans a lot of money and a good beating by the friendly Russian (Putin) mafia.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Someone will be murdered in Russia guaranteed.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
The proposal, according to 5 live, was that SHOULD Russia be proved complicit then no English officials would attend, the players would travel regardless.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
There are around 144 million people in Russia and probably 120 million have already served in the forces, so all will be capable of firing a gun and drinking large amounts of Vodka, so would I ever go there, categorical NO.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
spineless though really, we knew china tortures and imprisons without trial thousands each year, they have an horrendous human rights record too, but as long as there's trade deals to be done, or arms agreements, no one really cares less.we let them enter events, and happily join in as if nothing ever happened.Gutless.
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Terrible regime in Russia. Awful place. Look at the winter Olympics. Banned and not the first time. If a link.is proved between them and these poisonings we should definitely pull out. Probably should anyway
Agent Cob wouldn't like it though.
Agent Cob wouldn't like it though.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
things never change unless people take a stance. Plus, we are ****. So it's a stay at home from me
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Might as well withdraw. Our attempts to get involved are pointless.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Spying is a hazardous occupation - not worth the big money and you end up dead. Why all the fuss?
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Surely it's worth the risk that they poison Dele Alli?
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
TheFamilyCat wrote:Surely it's worth the risk that they poison Dele Alli?
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We can consider that when we know the Russian Government was involved.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
It's not as if our spooks have ever bumped anybody off, is it ?
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Don't think we would find out
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
If a nation state committed this act of terrorism. If this is so, and it is indeed Russia, then I actually agree with BJ on this one.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Governments were happy enough for British Teams to play in Mexico in 1970 ( One party state, an estimated 600 protesters killed in one day the year before ), Argentina in 1978 ( Military Dictatorship, roughly 7,000 political opponents "disappeared" between 1976-1983 ) , to say nothing of Russian, Mexican and Chinese Olympic games and countless other World and European Championships held in all manner of Sports...
The only time they've actively tried to prevent Teams travelling, is to South Africa....and even then the 1974 & 1980 Lions Tours went ahead....
The only time they've actively tried to prevent Teams travelling, is to South Africa....and even then the 1974 & 1980 Lions Tours went ahead....
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
But were any of those countries killing people on UK soil?
Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
I think the whole footballing world should boycott the World Cup in Russia. I wonder if anybody on here is planning to travel?
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Not yet, but when masked psychopaths maraud through the streets randomly smashing up men, women and children just because they don't support Russia shortly after the opening game, then we probably should pull out!
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
I'm not sure how this can be construed as "terrorism". An execution more like, a risk spies - double agents especially - take, I assume.TractorFace wrote:If a nation state committed this act of terrorism. If this is so, and it is indeed Russia, then I actually agree with BJ on this one.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Well it's now being investigated by our counter-terrorism officers.evensteadiereddie wrote:I'm not sure how this can be construed as "terrorism". An execution more like, a risk spies - double agents especially - take, I assume.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Definitely No.
I'm glad to notice that there is no one who has fallen for the constant propaganda against Russia by our compliant media.
I'm glad to notice that there is no one who has fallen for the constant propaganda against Russia by our compliant media.
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They hadn't been to "Subway" had they? Could explain a lot.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
TractorFace wrote:Well it's now being investigated by our counter-terrorism officers.
A political decision. Complete crap.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
TractorFace wrote:If a nation state committed this act of terrorism. If this is so, and it is indeed Russia, then I actually agree with BJ on this one.
how can you agree with a blow job??
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
How can you not?fatboy47 wrote:how can you agree with a blow job??
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Really? Well fair enough, but I think I'll go along with what the Scotland Yard's counter-terrorism chief is saying, rather than some random on a football forum.evensteadiereddie wrote:A political decision. Complete crap.
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What a ridiculous opening post.
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Has one of them died?evensteadiereddie wrote:I'm not sure how this can be construed as "terrorism". An execution more like, a risk spies - double agents especially - take, I assume.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
It was probably brits or yanks doing the poisoning!
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Yes. Pull out the team but send Hart and a case of head and shoulders.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
TheFamilyCat wrote:Surely it's worth the risk that they poison Dele Alli?
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
That's the spirit ! Never question anything, just accept what the authorities need you to believe.TractorFace wrote:Really? Well fair enough, but I think I'll go along with what the Scotland Yard's counter-terrorism chief is saying, rather than some random on a football forum.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Unfortunately as tragic as this current situation is there's no chance of pulling out, too much money involved.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
They shouldn't have got the World Cup in the first place (remember that the only country to fully compile with FIFAs hilariously corrupt attempt to clear Qatar and Russia was us)
We should always keep sport and politics separate, but I'm fully expecting Russia to have a team of drugged up super footballers that no one has ever heard of (or blatant VAR cheating) to make sure Russia get out of the opening group.
Putin is a communist propaganda artist to his core, and anything else will not be allowed to happen.
We should always keep sport and politics separate, but I'm fully expecting Russia to have a team of drugged up super footballers that no one has ever heard of (or blatant VAR cheating) to make sure Russia get out of the opening group.
Putin is a communist propaganda artist to his core, and anything else will not be allowed to happen.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Anyone hear that former Kremlin advisor on Talksport this morning? Very fair, reasoned and balanced argument.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
I look at the dead bodies in Syria and the Ukraine to be honest and it does seriously affect my judgement of Putin's Russia.
Oh, and an appreciation of what the Soviet Union was, what it did and what lessons a former KGB colonel has taken into being President.
Oh, and the dead journalists and opposition politicians.
Oh, and an appreciation of what the Soviet Union was, what it did and what lessons a former KGB colonel has taken into being President.
Oh, and the dead journalists and opposition politicians.
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as ridiculous as that sounds its hard not to lsugh. Drugged up superfootballers. Sounds like something Alan Partridge would come out with!Lancasterclaret wrote:They shouldn't have got the World Cup in the first place (remember that the only country to fully compile with FIFAs hilariously corrupt attempt to clear Qatar and Russia was us)
We should always keep sport and politics separate, but I'm fully expecting Russia to have a team of drugged up super footballers that no one has ever heard of (or blatant VAR cheating) to make sure Russia get out of the opening group.
Putin is a communist propaganda artist to his core, and anything else will not be allowed to happen.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Please don't be so presumptuous. I'm can be one of the most cynical people going. FYI: I just happen to think that a foreign power killing someone, or attempting to kill, on UK soil is an act of terrorism, call it state terrorism if you like. I feel that our govt has called this one right, you apparently don't, however this doesn't mean I suddenly never question anything. You certainly have strange logic.evensteadiereddie wrote:That's the spirit ! Never question anything, just accept what the authorities need you to believe.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
So every time someone falls ill on a park bench, it’s all Putin’s fault. Anything could have happened. There could have been something on the linguine that didn’t agree with them. They could have been part of a suicide pact. An old adversary might have caught up with him and taken retribution over something. There are hundreds of possible explanations. But no, we have to assume that the Russian government was involved and think about boycotting the World Cup.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
You should read about what the Soviet Union claimed it had done!as ridiculous as that sounds its hard not to lsugh. Drugged up superfootballers. Sounds like something Alan Partridge would come out with!
My favourite bit when I was studying it was the fear of reporting failure, so that they would produce millions of tonnes of completely useless steel which would then be reported as a record production (they'd make the foreman a Hero of the Soviet Union or something) and when it all went wrong they would blame it all on "anti-communist agents and saboteurs".
Reading about the various five year plans, collectivisation and the like isn't everyones cup of tea, but the propaganda around it all is a lesson everyone should learn.
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Re: Should England withdraw from the World Cup
Dermot, the thing is that Putin has got previous for bumping off opponents, and bumping them off so that everyone knows who has done it.
It might not be Putin. But its the first thing I thought when I heard about it and when RT denied it, then I was sure it was.
It might not be Putin. But its the first thing I thought when I heard about it and when RT denied it, then I was sure it was.
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Yep England should pull , super idea .
Errrrrr can Ireland have their place please ........
Errrrrr can Ireland have their place please ........
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Instant reaction was 'definitely no, complete overreaction'. But thinking about it I wouldn't mind if we took a stance on this for a mixture of moral and practical reasons. We're not going to win or even do well, so save ourselves the hype/hope. Some fans will get killed by Russian hooligans whilst over there, if the team don't go the fans won't go. I've no doubt whatsoever that Russia won the right to host with corruption. Inexperienced refs using VAR could easily turn into catastrophe in terms of the football. There will be monkey chanting from the fans. USA already boycotted by not qualifying and we don't want morally outmanoeuvring by Trump. And f*** Putin, corrupt tactics used to maintain power in his own country and it seems like he's getting pretty confident with foreign policy now too, seemingly involved in lots of activity sowing instability in the West - nothing that ever sticks of course, all legit...
As far as big showpiece 'f** you's go, us withdrawing (and maybe one or two more following) would be a pretty good one, a bit petulant but would definitley cause some chaos for FIFA and embarrassment and frustration for Putin. Do it, see what happens, it'll be more interesting than the football.
As far as big showpiece 'f** you's go, us withdrawing (and maybe one or two more following) would be a pretty good one, a bit petulant but would definitley cause some chaos for FIFA and embarrassment and frustration for Putin. Do it, see what happens, it'll be more interesting than the football.
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For what it's worth there's no way on earth we'll be withdrawing. The FA and government can talk about morality and leadership but there's nowhere near enough backbone or conviction between them to show it.