West Ham fans anger and frustrations

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:19 pm

Whilst not condoning their behaviour I really do have sympathy for them which echoed in the chant:

'We want to go home, we want to go home, we hate this **** hole, we want to go home'.

I drive past Turf Moor several times a week and no matter what mood I'm in or whatever problems I might have at the time the old lady always makes me smile.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:22 pm

That's the beauty of playing in that Stadium,an extra twenty thousand fans get to see how Schite they are..

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:27 pm

Totally agree. in the moments driving past i have 30 years of memories come flooding back, from going through the gap in fence from Bee 'hole to Longside, to sneaking in to boblord an hour before kick off as the gates were open, and hiding in the toilets until 30 mins before kick off, the horredous walk to the toilets at the back of the longside, opening of JHU, and big Stan's last game with pitch walk, and loads more.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:29 pm

What exactly are they mad about? just the stadium? The Boyeln Ground has already been demolished i think so what are the owners supposed to do? maybe it's more than just the ground they're unhappy with.

I thought the West Ham fans let their team down badly today and made it easier for us. It's strange how fans unhappy with the club don't wait until before/after to protest. It always ends badly for the players on the field, if it's like it was today, i'd fancy West Ham to drop which is surprising because Moyes has done a fine job so far.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:35 pm

Thing is, they moved

And we paid for them to move.

They were bribed by the idea that they could compete with the best.

My sympathy is limited it has to be said

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:40 pm

Like an episode of Eastenders today.

Moaning cockney b*stards.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:41 pm

As bad as MK Dons that move. 3 miles or 50 miles. Its all the same.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:What exactly are they mad about? just the stadium? The Boyeln Ground has already been demolished i think so what are the owners supposed to do? maybe it's more than just the ground they're unhappy with.

I thought the West Ham fans let their team down badly today and made it easier for us. It's strange how fans unhappy with the club don't wait until before/after to protest. It always ends badly for the players on the field, if it's like it was today, i'd fancy West Ham to drop which is surprising because Moyes has done a fine job so far.

Said exactly that. Shows how important getting behind your team is because not doing can be as toxic as that today.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:42 pm

They fell for the "moving to the next level" tale.
The ground move gives them a much greater capacity & greater income (without the huge outlay a proper new ground would cost). With that, the suggestion was that they would be able to crack the top 6.
In truth, that was never going to be easy + it would take several years of gradual build up to even come near.
The fans have delusions of grandeur anyway and the "promises" only fuelled that. In the event, they are fighting against relegation rather than pressing for top 6 and hence their anger.
What they have got is no improvement in league station and a matchday experience which has worsened.
It'l be interesting to see how Sullivan/Gold/Brady react. The two guys are getting too old to put up with hassle like they got today.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:43 pm

I wonder if they'd be moaning if the move had provided the platform for them to challenge to top six as they'd hoped.

LS7 · Post by **LS7** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:46 pm

Total sympathy for the fans

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:51 pm

What is the next level for West Ham or Burnley even? Finishing 6th or 7th?

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:53 pm

Upton Park was proper ground, intimidating for away fans and definitely gave West Ham an edge.

Atmosphere is perhaps undervalued in today's game - but you have to say Turf Moor has played a huge part in our recent success.

I also agree, owners don't take into account the emotional attachment supporters have for their home - take it away and unless you're fortunate enough to have instant success it's going to work against you.

West Ham are rootless tenants in a non-football stadium. The board are unpopular and the team is in a relegation scrap. It's a complete mess. Feel for Moyes to a certain extent as he has made a difference and he's done his best to put recent career setbacks behind him.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:56 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Said exactly that. Shows how important getting behind your team is because not doing can be as toxic as that today.

Yup, I've never seen it spur a team on, Sunderland, Blackpool and Villa spring to mind.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:58 pm

EarbyClaret wrote:Upton Park was proper ground, intimidating for away fans and definitely gave West Ham an edge.

Atmosphere is perhaps undervalued in today's game - but you have to say Turf Moor has played a huge part in our recent success.

I also agree, owners don't take into account the emotional attachment supporters have for their home - take it away and unless you're fortunate enough to have instant success it's going to work against you.

West Ham are rootless tenants in a non-football stadium. The board are unpopular and the team is in a relegation scrap. It's a complete mess. Feel for Moyes to a certain extent as he has made a difference and he's done his best to put recent career setbacks behind him.

I agree, made a real difference since he walked in, now he's having to deal with a toxic atmosphere all over again like at Sunderland where the fans are at war with owners and the negativity rubs off on the players and poor result follow.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:59 pm

LS7 wrote:Total sympathy for the fans

I've as much for them as they had for leyton orient...none at all! All gob fat an fu..ing old and bald!

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:59 pm

What Lancaster said. They werent moaning when they were getting a modern stadium for nothing. City have shown that it can be done moving to a different stadium.

Just another bunch of self entitled arses who for some reason think theyre a big classy club. Lets not forget these are the "fans" that cheered and applauded Carroll like a hero for being dismissed for violent elbowing.

At least Millwall are honest about being classless.

Man of Kent · Post by **Man of Kent** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:01 pm

They keep moaning about their new home but the old place was almost as bad in several ways. The last time I went to Upton Park, I was invited by a mate to experience some 'hospitality' in one of those executive boxes. To reach it, you had to walk through a hotel (!), past reception and up in a lift. The box that I sat in (when matches weren't being played) doubled as an actual hotel room. The only difference being that on match days, the club moved the bed out for the day. It was just like a Travel Inn. In the box next door was Ray Winstone and further along was a box occupied by that lizard Russell Brand, both of them sitting high and mighty with all their rich mates looking down on the plebs below. It was a horrible place.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:04 pm

They are one of those teams who's 'celeb' fans actually make them easier to dislike.

I hope they go down.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:04 pm

It was indeed. Just like them. Theyre just Millwall in claret and blue disguise

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:21 pm

Id be angry if I ran on the pitch and Mark Noble fisted me.

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bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:48 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Id be angry if I ran on the pitch and Mark Noble fisted me.
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Would it be more acceptable if he took you for a meal first?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:50 pm

bartons baggage wrote:Would it be more acceptable if he took you for a meal first?

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:24 pm

What is this glorious history that West Ham fans keep going on about? What have actually won, ever?

Tier 1/Premier League: highest place finish 3rd (1986)
Tier 2/Championship: winners x2 (1958; 1981)
F.A. Cup: winners x3 (1964; 1975; 1980)
League Cup: runners-up x2 (1966; 1981)

European Cup Winners Cup: winners x1 (1965); runners-up x1 (1976)
UEFA Intertoto Cup: winners x1 (1999)

So that is 5 'major' titles in 118 years! (including no league championships)

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:38 pm

Getting a good team together and some stability would have been a better idea before moving to that non football stadium. Hope the porn barons and that gofor Brady go down.

LS7 · Post by **LS7** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:13 pm

It’s the club that make the decisions, not the fans. So if the club makes a terrible series of commercial and reputational decisions, attracted by the opportunity of a cheap stadium off the back of the Olympics.. then the consequences are down the to club and the fans can protest as they see fit. Man City got the Commonwealth stadium and it has been fantastic. West Ham were sold a turkey. Not the fans’ fault. Time for West Ham to accept a terrible mistake and to buy some land in Dagenham or somewhere .. and start to rebuild the club as an East London / Essex institution not a ‘London’ tourist attraction at the Olympic stadium. I support the West Ham fans.

LS7 · Post by **LS7** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:14 pm

Brady et al thought they could turn a local attraction into a shiny new ‘London FC’. Turns out they built Mr Blobby Land.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:21 pm

I feel sorry for their true fans leaving a good traditional ground like Upton Park and having to visit that monstrosity. Years of community and tradition done away with just so their already wealthy owners could make a bit more money. And to those people saying they weren't whinging at the time their hardcore support were against the move right from the start.

Sean Dyche's Watch · Post by **Sean Dyche's Watch** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:49 pm

Apparently all those who protested yesterday are going to be punished. West Ham are renewing their season tickets.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:03 pm

I have sympathy for the fans, but non for Gold, Sulivan and Brady.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:29 pm

I went last season and decided to watch the big screen at home, this season. They have to watch that screen every fortnight!

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:07 pm

I often have sympathy for other fans when they get sh** on, (Blackpool, Charlton,Orient, Pompey et al) because it is so easy to be sold down the river by shysters, but I found I had little sympathy for that lot yesterday because as has been mentioned above, they weren't demonstrating against the move or the owners before they upped sticks and if they were comfortably in the top 8 they wouldn't be finding loads of faults with it now. It's all about fear of relegation and having a fairly expensive, but also poor and somewhat flaky team.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:14 pm

I have some sympathy for them, an orient fan rang BBC and was confused why a premier team with a massive stadium could have cause to moan.
I think losing your ground is massive as they did with Upton park.
Sense of history and pride in the place just gone!
They regard the new ground as a lifeless dump. Motson said at least they can virtually double the attendances, but that's not the point.
I dont have a clue about any assurances their board gave them regarding spending , but there is clearly a lot more resentment than just the issue of a struggling team on the pitch.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:21 pm

But were they protesting BEFORE the move? (If they were I wasn't aware of it)
If we were even remotely considering leaving the Turf I'd be chaining myself to the railings from day one!!

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:29 pm

LS7 wrote:It’s the club that make the decisions, not the fans. So if the club makes a terrible series of commercial and reputational decisions, attracted by the opportunity of a cheap stadium off the back of the Olympics.. then the consequences are down the to club and the fans can protest as they see fit. Man City got the Commonwealth stadium and it has been fantastic. West Ham were sold a turkey. Not the fans’ fault. Time for West Ham to accept a terrible mistake and to buy some land in Dagenham or somewhere .. and start to rebuild the club as an East London / Essex institution not a ‘London’ tourist attraction at the Olympic stadium. I support the West Ham fans.

Stratford is, and always has been in east London.

Dagenham is a bolt on from Essex.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:31 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:But were they protesting BEFORE the move? (If they were I wasn't aware of it)
If we were even remotely considering leaving the Turf I'd be chaining myself to the railings from day one!!

to be honest, I don't know if they were or not. Chris Sutton referred to the point you made i think, but it seems odd why they are so vociferous all of a sudden.I would have thought there must have been a lot of ill feeling bubbling (no pun intended) long before yesterday

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:57 pm

They were chanting about where's the money gone yesterday. Like chris Boden put on a tweet £25m on arnautovic £15m on chicarito £8m on hugil Mario on loan from inter plus hart (even though he's shite) ogbonna from juve and lanzini. They just whining because fat Sam won't be there to get them out the championship.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:02 pm

CFS wrote:They were chanting about where's the money gone yesterday. Like chris Boden put on a tweet £25m on arnautovic £15m on chicarito £8m on hugil Mario on loan from inter plus hart (even though he's shite) ogbonna from juve and lanzini. They just whining because fat Sam won't be there to get them out the championship.

Looking at that looks like they did spend for the new stadium. The new fans that have turned up don’t appear to be the best of losers!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:53 am

Their fortunes have turned since Danny Dyer joined EastEnders there must be karma.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:18 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:I think losing your ground is massive as they did with Upton park.
Sense of history and pride in the place just gone!
They regard the new ground as a lifeless dump. Motson said at least they can virtually double the attendances, but that's not the point.
I dont have a clue about any assurances their board gave them regarding spending , but there is clearly a lot more resentment than just the issue of a struggling team on the pitch.

Half the Premier League have new or newish grounds - Man City, Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester, Brighton, Swansea, Huddersfield, West Ham, Southampton, Stoke. Boo hoo for them. The other nine, so far as I can see, have learned to live with it.

They're upset because they aren't in their "rightful place" in the top 6 or 8. That's what they're protesting about. They are mortally offended by losing to Burnley, because they think they are giants and we're not.

Here's a question to ask of West Ham fans - what do the following 32 clubs have in common:

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Blackpool
Bristol City
Burnley
Cardiff City
Charlton Athletic
Chelsea
Derby County
Everton
Huddersfield Town
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Leicester City
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Nottingham Forest
Oldham Athletic
Portsmouth
Preston North End
Queen's Park Rangers
Sheffield United
Sheffield Wednesday
Southampton
Sunderland
Tottenham Hotspur
Watford
West Bromwich Albion
Wolverhampton Wanderers

Answer? Those 32 have all finished first or second in the English top division. Do you see West Ham in there? No. West Ham fans, like Leeds fans, have delusions of grandeur. Or, as fidelcastro very nicely put it, delusions of adequacy.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:08 am

I do feel sorry for them as I would be gutted if that had happened to Burnley.

It’s the worst ground In the premier league. It’s also 3 miles from Upton Park which in London is like moving 50 miles away. Totally different area.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:20 am

bfcmik wrote:What is this glorious history that West Ham fans keep going on about? What have actually won, ever?

Tier 1/Premier League: highest place finish 3rd (1986)
Tier 2/Championship: winners x2 (1958; 1981)
F.A. Cup: winners x3 (1964; 1975; 1980)
League Cup: runners-up x2 (1966; 1981)

European Cup Winners Cup: winners x1 (1965); runners-up x1 (1976)
UEFA Intertoto Cup: winners x1 (1999)

So that is 5 'major' titles in 118 years! (including no league championships)

You missed out the big one..
They won the World Cup

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:49 am

dsr wrote:Half the Premier League have new or newish grounds - Man City, Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester, Brighton, Swansea, Huddersfield, West Ham, Southampton, Stoke. Boo hoo for them. The other nine, so far as I can see, have learned to live with it.

They're upset because they aren't in their "rightful place" in the top 6 or 8. That's what they're protesting about. They are mortally offended by losing to Burnley, because they think they are giants and we're not.

Here's a question to ask of West Ham fans - what do the following 32 clubs have in common:

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Blackpool
Bristol City
Burnley
Cardiff City
Charlton Athletic
Chelsea
Derby County
Everton
Huddersfield Town
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Leicester City
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Nottingham Forest
Oldham Athletic
Portsmouth
Preston North End
Queen's Park Rangers
Sheffield United
Sheffield Wednesday
Southampton
Sunderland
Tottenham Hotspur
Watford
West Bromwich Albion
Wolverhampton Wanderers

Answer? Those 32 have all finished first or second in the English top division. Do you see West Ham in there? No. West Ham fans, like Leeds fans, have delusions of grandeur. Or, as fidelcastro very nicely put it, delusions of adequacy.

wrong, they have been relegated and totally lost their premier league status, this sort of thing didn't happen then so clearly that's not the answer.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:57 am

I can’t really summon up much sympathy for them. It seems their ire was actually ignited by the ignominy of falling behind to lowly Burnley.

Fack ‘em!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:10 am

Inchy wrote:I do feel sorry for them as I would be gutted if that had happened to Burnley.

It’s the worst ground In the premier league. It’s also 3 miles from Upton Park which in London is like moving 50 miles away. Totally different area.

Aside from the long distance from the pitch, why is it the worst ground in the PL?

Turf Moor normally tops that poll on social media

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:27 am

I have absolutely no sympathy at all for this awful football club. Terrible fans who have delusions of.....well I don't know really. How were they ever going to get into the top 6? They have no history of success to speak of. They have won a couple of FA Cups and the third rate Cup Winners Cup back in the 60's. They have never been English champions (not sure they have ever even finished in the top 3 but haven't checked on that). They are a London club with decent support and nothing more but for some reason over the years they have been the darlings of the media. They have a few 'famous' fans.
What exactly do their fans want? The real irony on Saturday is that they weren't and still aren't in a relegation place, things could be far worse. Some fans have a lot to moan about but that lot just behave like spoilt kids.

Big up though to the Burnley bench who let some West Ham kids sit with them to escape the trouble.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:30 am

Lord Beamish wrote:I can’t really summon up much sympathy for them. It seems their ire was actually ignited by the ignominy of falling behind to lowly Burnley.

Fack ‘em!

The goal sparked the idiots running onto the pitch, but certainly not the antagonism towards the owners. The whole thing had been brewing all day and it was only some crap from Brady that got the council to ban the protest march.

They are not a club I'm particularly fond of and more than once I've come up against some very distasteful people down there, but I can have some real sympathy for them with this. To lose their home for a new stadium is one thing, to lose it for this is another entirely. There's no going back, obviously, but I don't know how this gets resolved now. But I certainly wouldn't want my club being run by the dildo twins and Mrs Peschisolido.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:38 am

ClaretTony wrote:The goal sparked the idiots running onto the pitch, but certainly not the antagonism towards the owners. The whole thing had been brewing all day and it was only some crap from Brady that got the council to ban the protest march.

They are not a club I'm particularly fond of and more than once I've come up against some very distasteful people down there, but I can have some real sympathy for them with this. To lose their home for a new stadium is one thing, to lose it for this is another entirely. There's no going back, obviously, but I don't know how this gets resolved now. But I certainly wouldn't want my club being run by the dildo twins and Mrs Peschisolido.

That may well be the case, Tony, but the fact remains that the trouble didn’t start until they went behind. If they’d have taken their chances in the first half and been two up by half time, then there’d have been no such scenes.
They were cheesed off about falling behind to us. That damaged their pathetic egos. As it happens, all invading the pitch did was ensure our win.
I hope the FA throw the book at them for their shambolic and shameful behaviour. A points deduction would be most pleasing.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:46 am

Lord Beamish wrote:That may well be the case, Tony, but the fact remains that the trouble didn’t start until they went behind. If they’d have taken their chances in the first half and been two up by half time, then there’d have been no such scenes.
They were cheesed off about falling behind to us. That damaged their pathetic egos. As it happens, all invading the pitch did was ensure our win.
I hope the FA throw the book at them for their shambolic and shameful behaviour. A points deduction would be most pleasing.

When we were travelling home we'd no idea what had gone on other than the pitch invasions but I've spoken to people since and there were problems even before kick off and throughout the first half.

It was shameful. I wrote in my report that they have a right to protest and I would encourage them to continue that protest against the owners, but what happened on Saturday is unacceptable, particularly from those who ran onto the pitch.

We could so easily have had the game abandoned, a reminder of the last time we won 3-0, at Charlton, in London when that game came close to being abandoned. Those fans have legitimate grievances but there have to be far better ways of protesting than what happened on Saturday.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:47 am

I hope the FA throw the book at them for their shambolic and shameful behaviour. A points deduction would be most pleasing.

I have it on good authority, that Sheffield Utd will be deducted six points.