ARTICLE: Dawson again linked with move to Burnley

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:52 am

Linked again with the West Brom defender

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Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:09 am

Would have been happier if we'd got him on the first attempt. Good back up for the squad, but I can't see him shifting anyone in our defence.
If Sean still wants him , that's good enough for me.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:10 am

Tarkowski's replacement?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:14 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:Would have been happier if we'd got him on the first attempt. Good back up for the squad, but I can't see him shifting anyone in our defence.
If Sean still wants him , that's good enough for me.

Even Sean admitted in January that we were one man short in the centre of defence although I'm not so sure Dawson would be the man this time. I still think the more likely move would be for a younger central defender who will not be a first choice.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:16 am

ClaretTony wrote:Even Sean admitted in January that we were one man short in the centre of defence although I'm not so sure Dawson would be the man this time. I still think the more likely move would be for a younger central defender who will not be a first choice.

That would make more sense to me. I could see Dawson wanting a starting spot wherever he goes.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:18 am

A decent PL player who can double up at RB. As said above not better than Tarks and Mee and I can't see him coming to get splinters. He'd be excellent in a back 3 but I can't see this happening.
Bags a few as well.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:19 am

I’ve never been a big fan of signing players from relegated teams. Sign too many of them and you tend to end up in the relegation zone.

I appreciate we’ve done it successfully in the past. If Dyche wants him that’ll do me.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:20 am

I wouldn't be too unhappy if we didn't bother with this one. The player and his club messed us around more than once and I'm sure there are plenty of other, younger defenders with more scope to improve available. The whole saga comes across a little 'Henri Lansbury' to me.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:25 am

Move on for me.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:32 am

Not really an upgrade on what we have.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:38 am

Another CD is certainly a priority this summer. Whether Dawson is now the right man I'm not too sure. That said he does come up with the odd goal. No I'm not hedging my bets, I think we should be looking at a younger defender like the lad at Brentford. Although still very much a rookie, he always caught the eye when I've seen him and he will have been well coached coming through the Chelsea academy.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:54 am

Perhaps the writing is already on the Tarkowski wall.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:59 am

IanMcL wrote:Perhaps the writing is already on the Tarkowski wall.

You mean the Tarkowski who has recently signed a new contract and said there is no other club he'd rather be at?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:00 am

ClaretTony wrote:You mean the Tarkowski who has recently signed a new contract and said there is no other club he'd rather be at?

A clear sign that he's angling for a move then

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:05 am

Realistically if a big offer from a top six club comes in and they offer to double his wages he'll be off despite what he's said.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:06 am

randomclaret2 wrote:Realistically if a big offer from a top six club comes in and they offer to double his wages he'll be off despite what he's said.

Only if we agreed to a massive transfer fee

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:09 am

Yes...I agree with you there Tony...youd suspect it would eclipse the Keane fee

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:15 am

randomclaret2 wrote:Yes...I agree with you there Tony...youd suspect it would eclipse the Keane fee

Then we can listen to people like KRBFC tell us all how crap Tarks is, just like he's done with Keane

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:22 am

randomclaret2 wrote:Yes...I agree with you there Tony...youd suspect it would eclipse the Keane fee

By some distance I would have thought if he did leave

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:29 am

ClaretTony wrote:Only if we agreed to a massive transfer fee

Hence the long contract we can't be cherry-picked so easily nowadays.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:37 am

Would be a good signing. He's younger than I realised (27) and likely hasn't reached his peak yet. Also offers a goal threat on corners.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:37 am

randomclaret2 wrote:Realistically if a big offer from a top six club comes in and they offer to double his wages he'll be off despite what he's said.

Which top six club would bite

Manchester City: Can't see it
Manchester United: Unlikely but not impossible
Liverpool: Not now they have Van Dyck
Tottenham: Fair chance if Alderweireld or Vertonghen move on they develop young English talent
Chelsea: Again unlikely
Arsenal: They definitely need defenders but can't see it

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:58 am

tiger76 wrote:Which top six club would bite

Manchester City: Can't see it
Manchester United: Unlikely but not impossible
Liverpool: Not now they have Van Dyck
Tottenham: Fair chance if Alderweireld or Vertonghen move on they develop young English talent
Chelsea: Again unlikely
Arsenal: They definitely need defenders but can't see it

He would be perfect alongside Van Dijk and would improve Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal.
I don't want to see him go but if he does go to and play well at the World Cup the press will build up an unstoppable momentum to sell him.

northernpowerhouse · Post by **northernpowerhouse** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:25 am

Would be a great signing. Did a good job at RB for West Brom so we could move Bardsley on.

gtclaret · Post by **gtclaret** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:10 pm

Can't see this happening
At 27 he would want first team football, he will not move our current defence. He would be a CB, RB cover, it would be a great signing, but would he be willing to play cup games and the odd league game
If we qualify for Europe however, it could be a different story.
To think that we would pay this sort of money for a squad player shows how far we have come.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:17 pm

Tarks won't be going anywhere. Dawson would be decent cover, although he would have to up his game

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:24 pm

piston broke wrote:He would be perfect alongside Van Dijk and would improve Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal.
I don't want to see him go but if he does go to and play well at the World Cup the press will build up an unstoppable momentum to sell him.

Exactly what I was going to say. Van Dijk and Tarky would be a formidable partnership and both of them can play out from the back. It'd probably take a fee of around £30m though and after Keane's season with Everton some might be reluctant to pay that much.

Tarky out for £30m with Dawson and Worrall coming in for a similar figure wouldn't be disastrous. Dawson was tremendous under Pulis; just think how good he'd be under Dyche!!

Chip Harrison · Post by **Chip Harrison** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:27 pm

Socrates wrote:I’ve never been a big fan of signing players from relegated teams. Sign too many of them and you tend to end up in the relegation zone.

I appreciate we’ve done it successfully in the past. If Dyche wants him that’ll do me.

Heaton and Pope?

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:32 pm

Chip Harrison wrote:Heaton and Pope?

I think that's what he meant when he said 'I appreciate we’ve done it successfully in the past.'

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:35 pm

tiger76 wrote: Arsenal: They definitely need defenders but can't see it

Why not?

ten bellies · Post by **ten bellies** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:10 pm

Would a key to keeping our better players be to reward performance using the money gained for each position above 17th? Basic wages cannot be raised to a point that threaten the security of the club, but performance related pay could help improve our ability to retain players.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:16 pm

If Tarkowski gets a few England caps, especially during the World Cup then I reckon we will struggle to keep him away from one of the top 6 clubs, contract or not.

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:18 pm

Would be a fantastic signing imo
SD would soon improve him as he has JT and BM.
Would then compete with these two for the 2 places at the back and needed if Burnley qualify for the Europa League
Only 27 and only £10 million
Rob Holding would be a great alternative

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:43 pm

Tarks is obviously happier up north than down south.

From what I have read, he is very close to his parents and his mum was very ill a couple of years ago, hence his keenness to get back up north from Brentford.

Man United would be the obvious destination if he excels for England. Jones is back on the injured list and Mourinho is threatening a big summer recruitment drive. A lot though depends I think if he can break into the England fold, while we know how good he's been, I doubt anyone would offer really big money based on his relatively low experience in the Premier League.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:52 pm

Bags of experience and knows where the goal is. Always been in favour of signing him.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:04 pm

At 27 he’s in his prime – and (probably) getting relegated.
He’s seen was Sean Dyche is doing to players and he’ll fancy at bit of it.
He’d take a pay cut and walk here if he thinks were after him.

I’d be very happy with him and he’s a definite upgrade.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:13 pm

The one thing I really do like about Dawson is his scoring potential, he always seems to be there or there about on corners and free kicks. It is really hard to believe he only has 12 goals for the Baggies.

Perhaps we would look at him again but I'm fairly sure he will want a starting berth, he is too good to warm a bench.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:19 pm

JohnMac wrote:The one thing I really do like about Dawson is his scoring potential, he always seems to be there or there about on corners and free kicks. It is really hard to believe he only has 12 goals for the Baggies.

Perhaps we would look at him again but I'm fairly sure he will want a starting berth, he is too good to warm a bench.

I agree John, but he'll also have seen how well Long did when he came in and realise that at some point he will get a chance.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:25 pm

Chris Brunt as well.

He (quite rightly) called Pardew out as a useless
bell end. Maybe that wasnt the phraseology, but you get the drift. Excellent player, but who would he displace?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:29 pm

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:I agree John, but he'll also have seen how well Long did when he came in and realise that at some point he will get a chance.

Kevin Long has been here a fair while, I don't think Dawson would want to wait as long..

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:35 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Kevin Long has been here a fair while, I don't think Dawson would want to wait as long..

I think if you looked up the term "biding his time", you'd probably see a picture of Kevin Long

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:33 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Tarkowski's replacement?

Don't say that please. That will be Keane.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:41 pm

I don't see why he would have to be a replacement. We have 3 central defenders and we need 4.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:47 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Only if we agreed to a massive transfer fee

Or if he decided to down tools and not play for us - but he wouldn't do that would he

Dawson would be a smart addition to the squad giving good competition for CB and RB but suspect if, as likely, other clubs come in for him we may be priced out of the market in terms of wages

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:27 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Why not?

When did Wenger sign English talent Holding was the only one and he was cheap.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:45 pm

I think the urgency and quantity will depend on the small matter of Europe. If by some strange miracle we did qualify then having just 3 centre backs would need to be addressed quickly. All transfer dealings this summer will be massively influenced by the Europe Factor.

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:59 pm

I’d be all over signing Dawson. Loads of experience, good age. Back up right back, challenge to play centre half

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:02 pm

For £10m he would be an excellent signing.

Everyone is a squad player, it's the one who pushes hardest gets the shirt. The whole defence will therefore be improved whoever gets the nod from SD.

Indecisive · Post by **Indecisive** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:31 pm

Id be happy with Dawson, but dont think he'll be replacing Tarks just yet. At the moment as a club we're developing at a rate that suits him. Next season could be a taste of Europe. Maybe a year later he'll be at a stage where he wants champions league football, but I can't see him wanting to move until he's a shoe in starter in a champions league team.

In the current market and with him just signing a new contract you'd possibly be looking nearer 50 than 25 million for Tarks. Hard to believe im typing that sentence about a Burnley player....and one that's only found himself in our first team over the last year.

Scary to think of the potential fees we'd be commanding for both him and Pope. Hard to think of many English players who have made such an impact in such a short space of time, never mind two from the same club, in the same season.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:43 pm

Dawson
Shelvey
Ward-Prowse