Wilshere will miss tomorrow's game through injury.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:08 pm

Hardly surprising news I know.

Knee injury keeps him out of tomorrow's game, they're hoping he's ready for next week's game.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:09 pm

He’ll definitely be fit for all the World Cups games though.
And back to that form he showed around 2013.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:11 pm

ABC would play Tarks in midfield.

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:17 pm

And that's the reason he should be not be picked.
All players risk injury but surely can't risk a player who seems to get crocked so easily.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:29 pm

You could post this headline on the eve of nearly every game and it would be correct

gtclaret · Post by **gtclaret** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:44 pm

Can we risk taking him to the tournament, knowing that we are one man down before we start

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:06 pm

You'll be telling us that Sturridge is injured next

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:06 pm

Talent wise, one of the best we have.

But with the injuries too big a risk for a tournament and not worth the gamble. If he was a striker or a set piece specialist would be worth the risk. But for a tournament probably not worth it.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:27 pm

Shore claret wrote:You'll be telling us that Sturridge is injured next

Has he been fit enough to get injured??

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:06 am

Wilshere is a lame duck waste of a squad space.
Should have called Cork up.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:18 am

Jack Wheelchair

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:46 am

Spot on Tiger76.Happy Jack is a media pick like "Backpass "Henderson who is also a waste of a shirt.
Jack Cork is better tham both of them but as we know Muppet Southgate doesnt go on form just hearsay, otherwise Nick Pope the best English keeper in the league would be nailed on for No1 spot.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:54 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Talent wise, one of the best we have.

Talent wise, he’s every bit as unreliable as he is fitnesswise.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:47 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Spot on Tiger76.Happy Jack is a media pick like "Backpass "Henderson who is also a waste of a shirt.
Jack Cork is better tham both of them but as we know Muppet Southgate doesnt go on form just hearsay, otherwise Nick Pope the best English keeper in the league would be nailed on for No1 spot.

On the basis that Kane is likely not to be England’s form striker come the start of the World Cup, would you start another striker in his place?

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:50 am

That game against Barcelona - which still apparently makes him worthy of a place in any England team - was 7 years ago now.

And they did lose the tie in the end anyway.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:42 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Spot on Tiger76.Happy Jack is a media pick like "Backpass "Henderson who is also a waste of a shirt.
Jack Cork is better tham both of them but as we know Muppet Southgate doesnt go on form just hearsay, otherwise Nick Pope the best English keeper in the league would be nailed on for No1 spot.

But he isnt better than them both.

Cork is a very good player. But if he was better than both he would have had a career higher than Burnley, Swansea, Southampton etc.

Henderson might not be Gerrard but he is Liverpool captain for a reason.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:49 am

Pretty sad taking the **** out of an injured player.

He doesn’t choose to be injured and i’m sure he and sturidge are ****** of about their bodies abilities to with stand injuries.

Haha look dean marney not 1 but 2 knee ligaments what a tit haha

See how silly it is

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:26 pm

Are we allowed to mock the decision to pick him or will that annoy you as well?

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:45 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Are we allowed to mock the decision to pick him or will that annoy you as well?

He one of the better players we have. Im sure the risk is worth taking. The wc is only about 6 weeks long.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:47 pm

Plenty of time for him to get injured then isn't it?

That's the core issue, he's so prone to breaking down Southgate might as well just pick 22 players

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:49 pm

No we might as well take 23 him included. Lets have someone who can create something and if the worse happens then someone can step in.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:52 pm

Sure, but when he is injured again, because it's inevitable he will, can I say 'I told you so' ?

On the plus side Southgate will be just like his predecessors in taking injured players to an international tournament in the hope they get fit before we go out.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:57 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Sure, but when he is injured again, because it's inevitable he will, can I say 'I told you so' ?

On the plus side Southgate will be just like his predecessors in taking injured players to an international tournament in the hope they get fit before we go out.

With 23 players to select, Southgate can afford to take an injury risk such as Wilshere in the place of a Jake Livermore type who would be unlikely to get any minutes on the pitch. Wilshere's injury record is shocking, but he is different than anyone else in our midfield which means Southgate has every right to consider him as one of a couple of gambles.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:59 pm

I didnt say we should take him if he’s injured. Kane or Alli might get injured. Should we not rake them?

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:09 pm

I wouldn't take Wilshire, jones or Sturridge to the world cup they are liabilities!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote:With 23 players to select, Southgate can afford to take an injury risk such as Wilshere in the place of a Jake Livermore type who would be unlikely to get any minutes on the pitch. Wilshere's injury record is shocking, but he is different than anyone else in our midfield which means Southgate has every right to consider him as one of a couple of gambles.

Different when?

The odd big game when it suits him?
Or during a run of appearances when he isn't getting lauded in the media because he isn't actually standing out that much?

Amusingly on here, Wilshere is feted as some sort of footballing genius yet his team mate with the much better career and stats is labelled as rubbish or lazy.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:26 pm

Never got the hype around wikshere. I remember him playing well v Barcelona once, about seven years since, but other than that I can't remember watching him and thinking he was that good.
He couldn't get in the Bournemouth midfield last season despite his fitness being okay (by his standards).

He's overrated because he never plays enough games for us to forget that game about seven years ago.

Much rather see Lallana in the middle of midfield. Offers something different to all other CMs.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:28 pm

Are people really advocating NOT picking a fit Jack Wilshere for the World Cup IN CASE he gets injured?

You've seen our other midfield options right?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:36 pm

Odds are he will be injured and picked anyway, it's part of the England managers job to pick injured players for tournaments in the hope they're ready for a game.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:37 pm

Braindead wrote:Are people really advocating NOT picking a fit Jack Wilshere for the World Cup IN CASE he gets injured?

You've seen our other midfield options right?

Where would you play him?

We've got Ali in the advanced role who's far better than Wilshere.

Apparently Wilshere is also handy as some sort of deep lying midfielder who throws himself into tackles and get's injured as a result

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:40 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Where would you play him?

We've got Ali in the advanced role who's far better than Wilshere.

Apparently Wilshere is also handy as some sort of deep lying midfielder who throws himself into tackles and get's injured as a result

In midfield instead of Henderson, Dier, Livermore, all of whom are dogshit.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:48 pm

Braindead wrote:In midfield instead of Henderson, Dier, Livermore, all of whom are dogshit.

They aren't really dogshit though.

Dier - Regular player in midfield or defence for one of the more attractive teams to watch in the PL, so clearly dogshit.
Henderson - had some injury issues but he's also captain of one of the more attractive teams to watch in the PL.

Neither players are flair players, they tend to do the crappy work for the others, I think water carrier is the term.

Livermore is an odd inclusion I'll accept, but he's regularly playing full games in the PL and is another water carrier.

Teams need water carriers to get the ball out to the flanks or up to Ali / Kane.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:48 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Different when?

The odd big game when it suits him?
Or during a run of appearances when he isn't getting lauded in the media because he isn't actually standing out that much?

Amusingly on here, Wilshere is feted as some sort of footballing genius yet his team mate with the much better career and stats is labelled as rubbish or lazy.

Different all of the time. He's a completely different type of player than Dier, Henderson, Livermore and Cork, for example.

I'm not sure where you've seen Wilshere feted as some sort of footballing genuis, I'm certain it isn't on this messageboard.

As I said above, a 23 player squad gives the manager an opportunity to throw in a couple of wildcards without any risk in place of safe bets like Jake Livermore or Jack Cork who are unlikely to be required. I know which one I'd rather bring on if we're looking for a goal.

Your obsession with Wilshere is weird.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:50 pm

His obsession with Defoe is weirder.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:51 pm

Hoping for a genuine football match and not that showcase political marriage of Red Dragon v Red Dragon farce in Peking yesterday.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:55 pm

Weird for giving a reasoned opinion in a debate?

If Wilshere is so feted on here why are people so adamant he goes when he's done little of note?

As for Defoe, my point has been proven this season.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:02 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Weird for giving a reasoned opinion in a debate?

If Wilshere is so feted on here why are people so adamant he goes when he's done little of note?

As for Defoe, my point has been proven this season.

Weird for continually making comments about Jack Wilshere - you've got some kind of obsession with him.

I'm not sure people are adamant that he goes to the world cup, I'm certainly not. I'm not going to criticise a manager for selecting him in a squad of 23 players though when he clearly has something different to offer than other available options in the same position, despite the high injury risk. I'd prefer to take Lallana for what it's worth, but he's played even less games than Wilshere this season. You probably wouldn't criticise his inclusion in the squad though.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:07 pm

Jack Wilshere is 100% worthy of a place in the England squad if fit, as has been mentioned above, he offers something different to the defensively minded dross in the squad currently.

He is a very good player in my opinion, therefore quite simply if he's fit, he goes.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:08 pm

Were talking about taking a fit Wiltshire not an injured one. Yes he has had his problems and it maybe a risk. But its worth it. I want to see our CH and CM being able to pass forwards to find lallana, dele, kane. Wilshire is capable of that. Id rather we took that risk rather than we take livermore or cork. Dier, henderson are side to side types, keep the ball moving. Liverpool, Spurs even City are teams we should look to model on right now. Erikson makes spurs work, emre can liverpool and de bruyne. Wiltshire could potentially be a great link between dier/henderson to dele, lallana, Kane

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:14 pm

10 Appearances in the league for Lallana means he's probably not worth taking, so yes I would object but he's not in the squad.

In regards to England it isn't solely about Wilshere much to yours and upthebeehole's probable disappointment.

The issue is the constant selection of players who aren't playing much, either through injuries or poor form at club level.

England then rock up at a tournament with a player who they're hoping will be fit in time for the knockout stages usually.
In the meantime the Manager appears to have based their whole strategy on said player being fit.
In regards to the players with poor form or low confidence, they'll take this into the tournament with them and it shows.

Personally I've no time for players who're injured most of the season and then miraculously fit in time England.
Darren 'Sicknote' Anderton and Kieron Dyer were bad for this in the past it always felt like.

Do I criticise Wilshere?
Yes because I don't get the hype when he's generally not done much to deserve it yet his Arsenal teammate Ozil is a much better player but derided on here because he doesn't run about enough.
I don't think Wilshere even knows what his best position is and he's still throwing himself into tackles and getting injured..... at some point he's going to realise the issue there isn't he???

Strangely John Stones is sat on the bench now at City and no one on here appears to be championing his inclusion in the squad.

As for Defoe, I've laid all that out before so we don't need to talk about that on this thread despite beehole's efforts to do so.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:16 pm

Side to side players?

Yes because that's clearly an issue, much like it was when we had David Jones at Burnley doing the same...

Model ourselves on City, Liverpool or Spurs but don't pick their water carriers which help make those teams tick, that clearly makes sense.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:19 pm

Sidney1st wrote:10 Appearances in the league for Lallana means he's probably not worth taking, so yes I would object but he's not in the squad.

In regards to England it isn't solely about Wilshere much to yours and upthebeehole's probable disappointment.

The issue is the constant selection of players who aren't playing much, either through injuries or poor form at club level.

England then rock up at a tournament with a player who they're hoping will be fit in time for the knockout stages usually.
In the meantime the Manager appears to have based their whole strategy on said player being fit.
In regards to the players with poor form or low confidence, they'll take this into the tournament with them and it shows.

Personally I've no time for players who're injured most of the season and then miraculously fit in time England.
Darren 'Sicknote' Anderton and Kieron Dyer were bad for this in the past it always felt like.

Do I criticise Wilshere?
Yes because I don't get the hype when he's generally not done much to deserve it yet his Arsenal teammate Ozil is a much better player but derided on here because he doesn't run about enough.
I don't think Wilshere even knows what his best position is and he's still throwing himself into tackles and getting injured..... at some point he's going to realise the issue there isn't he???

Strangely John Stones is sat on the bench now at City and no one on here appears to be championing his inclusion in the squad.

As for Defoe, I've laid all that out before so we don't need to talk about that on this thread despite beehole's efforts to do so.

The simple fact is that there aren't 23 English players of international quality who are in good form with a great fitness record. So we have to accept that the squad will be made up of a number of players who have international quality but either haven't had the best season or are an injury risk. It's either that or pick players who we know aren't good enough. Luckily there are 23 players to choose from and only 14 players will be required each game.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:20 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Side to side players?

Yes because that's clearly an issue, much like it was when we had David Jones at Burnley doing the same...

Model ourselves on City, Liverpool or Spurs but don't pick their water carriers which help make those teams tick, that clearly makes sense.

How many 'side-to-side' players does a team need? Surely you can see that it's important to have a variety of playing styles and abilities in such a large squad.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:22 pm

We only need side to side in the middle of the park.
They'll also be the lads who do the dirty defensive work where required.

A lot of the greatest teams have a side to side player in the middle coincidently.

Get the ball, give it to someone else and repeat.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:23 pm

Sidney1st wrote:10 Appearances in the league for Lallana means he's probably not worth taking, so yes I would object but he's not in the squad.

In regards to England it isn't solely about Wilshere much to yours and upthebeehole's probable disappointment.

The issue is the constant selection of players who aren't playing much, either through injuries or poor form at club level.

England then rock up at a tournament with a player who they're hoping will be fit in time for the knockout stages usually.
In the meantime the Manager appears to have based their whole strategy on said player being fit.
In regards to the players with poor form or low confidence, they'll take this into the tournament with them and it shows.

Personally I've no time for players who're injured most of the season and then miraculously fit in time England.
Darren 'Sicknote' Anderton and Kieron Dyer were bad for this in the past it always felt like.

Do I criticise Wilshere?
Yes because I don't get the hype when he's generally not done much to deserve it yet his Arsenal teammate Ozil is a much better player but derided on here because he doesn't run about enough.
I don't think Wilshere even knows what his best position is and he's still throwing himself into tackles and getting injured..... at some point he's going to realise the issue there isn't he???

Strangely John Stones is sat on the bench now at City and no one on here appears to be championing his inclusion in the squad.

As for Defoe, I've laid all that out before so we don't need to talk about that on this thread despite beehole's efforts to do so.

You’re whinging about Beckham and Rooney being picked in past squads? Our captain, the most passionate England player for generations. Rooney our most talented forward? Wow.

Stones is out the City team atm. Doesn’t devalue his ability. Its great coaching. Young players dint need to play every week. Especiallywhen city have lots of important games coming up.

Lallanas been out injured but getting back now. Liverpool have been great this season. He’s not going to get straight back in. He will thiugh. Liverpool have big games coming and he will be involved.

So with lallana and wilshire out of your team which midfielders would you pick out of interest?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:29 pm

Rooney - injured for the start of a number of tournaments and as a result didn't make an appearance until it was too late.

Beckham - I didn't mention him but you can apply the same if you want as Rooney for the odd occasion.

As for what midfielders would I pick, am I looking at CDM, CM, or CAM?

Wilshere is often classed as a CM or CDM, occasionally someone thinks he can play CAM.
Let me know what you class him as and I'll make a decision on which midfielders I'd pick.

As it stands I'd play Oxlade-Chamberlain or Sterling over Wilshere as a CAM.

In regards to Lallana I haven't been paying attention to what he's been up to, I've no idea where he is in regards to fitness.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:30 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Side to side players?

Yes because that's clearly an issue, much like it was when we had David Jones at Burnley doing the same...

Model ourselves on City, Liverpool or Spurs but don't pick their water carriers which help make those teams tick, that clearly makes sense.

Do you watch football?

Ask Mourinho even. He’ll know and I know pogba playing to 100% of his ability and utd will be closer in the league. Ask messi who the most important players are he’s played with. Who make his sides work. Or Shevchenko. Im not knocking side to side types one bit. But with 7/8 midfield options I dont want 5 of them. Would city be that good with 3 fernandinhos instead of him silva and de bryune? Would we been that good with 2 david jones. No.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:37 pm

Arsenal's Darren Anderton.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:38 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Rooney - injured for the start of a number of tournaments and as a result didn't make an appearance until it was too late.

Beckham - I didn't mention him but you can apply the same if you want as Rooney for the odd occasion.

As for what midfielders would I pick, am I looking at CDM, CM, or CAM?

Wilshere is often classed as a CM or CDM, occasionally someone thinks he can play CAM.
Let me know what you class him as and I'll make a decision on which midfielders I'd pick.

As it stands I'd play Oxlade-Chamberlain or Sterling over Wilshere as a CAM.

In regards to Lallana I haven't been paying attention to what he's been up to, I've no idea where he is in regards to fitness.

Is this the same David Beckham who broke his foot, got fit and scored the winning goal against argentina?? Bloody hell sven!!!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:42 pm

I've been known to watch the odd bit of football

Difference is England don't have a De Bruyne, Silva, Erikssen etc.
Our closest one is Ali, followed by Sterling and Oxlade Chamberlain as it stands.

Lallana when fit has shown he's very good in the attacking roles.

Wilshere hasn't apart from the odd big game.

I'm sure Messi would agree Busquets is important to the team, just like Real Madrid looked totally different when Makelele left for Chelsea.

The England team needs to have a solid midfield footing, so if we need side to side players in there then so be it.
If you're thinking Wilshere will be our version of Pirlo or Pogba I think you'll be disappointed.