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The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:11 pm
by UpTheBeehole
An unauthorised new biography of Prince Charles paints a picture of a capricious man who is obsessed with the public’s opinion of him, whose lavish spending reveals a royal utterly divorced from the life of ordinary people.

According to Tom Bower’s Rebel Prince, published on Thursday by William Collins, Charles once “shrieked” and “trembled” at the sight of an unknown plastic substance covering his dinner, only to be told “It’s cling film, darling,” by Camilla. On another occasion, Bower claims the prince brought his own mattress, toilet seat, Kleenex Velvet toilet paper and two “landscapes of the Scottish Highlands” when visiting a friend in north-east England.

The biography also alleges that Charles took a trip on the royal train from Highgrove to Penrith to visit a pub, a journey that cost £18,916; at another time, the prince reportedly complained in his journal after flying Club Class to Hong Kong in a chartered British Airway plane: “It took me some time to realise … that this was not first class (!) although it puzzled me as to why the seat seemed so uncomfortable. Such is the end of Empire, I sighed to myself.”

Bower, who has previously written unauthorised biographies of names including Tony Blair, Richard Branson and Mohamed Fayed, says he interviewed more than 120 people for his biography of Charles, who he claims has “resorted to machination and media manipulation to restore his position” since 1997. The prince, Bower writes, “presides at the centre of a court with no place for democracy or dissenting views … like some feudal lord”.

Charles’ army of employees – Bowers claims that he has more than 120 staff – include three footmen to escort visitors to his office, “each responsible for a short segment of corridor”; four valets to help him change his clothes up to five times a day; four gardeners who “lie flat, nose down on a trailer” to hand pluck weeds, because of the prince’s hatred of pesticides; and “retired Indian servicemen … deployed to prowl through the undergrowth at night with torches and handpick slugs from the plants of leaves”. According to Bower, the prince has arrived at functions with his own pre-mixed martinis carried by a police officer, with an aide delivering a bag containing the food he would eat.

Charles is obsessed with public opinion, Bower claims, even once hurling a dinner plate to the floor at a dinner party after learning of his low popularity ratings. “‘Mama down the road,’ he told a visitor, ‘reads newspapers; I don’t. It would drive me mad,” writes Bower, who also claims that Charles had a habit of throwing objects at the radio when “enraged by an item … The set was always being repaired.”

The book also details a meeting between the prince and Peter Mandelson, during which the Blairite former minister allegedly told Charles that the public thought he was “rather glum and dispirited”, which had “a dampening effect” on their opinion of him.

“After Mandelson had left, he beseeched Camilla, ‘Is that true? Is that true?’ ‘I don’t think any of us can cope with you asking that question over and over again for the next month,’ she replied,” writes Bower. In the wake of Diana’s death, writes Bower, Charles was “paralysed by guilt”, chanting: “They’re all going to blame me, aren’t they? The world’s going to go completely mad.”

His portrait is of a man discontent with his lot. “Even my office is not the right temperature. Why do I have to put up with this? It makes my life so unbearable,” the prince is quoted as saying to an assistant. Bower quotes one friend describing Charles as “an Olympian whinger”; Charles himself is quoted as saying in 2004: “Nobody knows what utter hell it is to be Prince of Wales.”

Bower claims that access to Charles was sold “to raise money for his many charities and to indulge in ostentatious luxury”, with Turkish billionaire Cem Uzan allegedly paying £200,000 for his wife to sit next to the prince at a dinner in 2000, and American oil tycoon Armand Hammer spending approximately £40m over several years on Charles’ charities and personal expenses, in an attempt to rehabilitate his own public image.

The biography details the prince’s fractious relationship with government; Tony Blair is quoted describing dealing with Charles as “toxic”, while the prince allegedly “screamed” at David Cameron in 2010, over the then London mayor Boris Johnson’s call to hand over control of the royal parks to the Greater London Authority. Bower writes: “‘Boris is taking over the royal parks?’ he screamed. ‘Why have you given the royal parks to Boris?’ ‘The queen agreed,’ replied Cameron. ‘What? Mama down the road? What does she know about the royal parks?’”

Rebel Prince also tackles Charles’ relationship with his sons, with Bower claiming that he is concerned that the public is more interested in Prince William and Kate Middleton than himself, as well as fretting over his future portrait on coins when he becomes Charles III. According to Bower, Charles was concerned that the original portrait “showed his thinning hair and reflected his age” and “demanded that he should be shown with a full head of hair, and considerably younger. The revised version was more satisfactory.”

“He was less pleased when the Mint suggested that it should also prepare portraits for King William,” writes Bower. “That, Charles ordained, was pushing fate too far.”

Describing himself as a committed monarchist, Bower nonetheless concludes that the prince’s legacy has been “tarnished by his addiction to luxury, his financial mismanagement, his disloyalty to professional supporters, and the torrid relationships with his family”. He expresses concern that Charles, when king, “will act alone, without any restraining adviser. For committed monarchists, that independence is alarming. They can only hope for the best.”

Clarence House has stated that no comment will be issued on the allegations made in the book.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/ ... -tom-bower


Can we not skip a generation and miss out this leech?

At least William comes across as a normal posh bloke, not an eccentric toff who evidently loves spending us taxpayers' money.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:15 pm
by Braindead
UpTheBeehole wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/ ... -tom-bower


Can we not skip a generation and miss out this leech?

At least William comes across as a normal posh bloke, not an eccentric toff who evidently loves spending us taxpayers' money.
Or, as an alternative, less hyperbolic view - this 'unauthorised' biography could be complete sensationalist ********, with loads of quotes from unnamed and uncredited 'sources'.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:19 pm
by LoveCurryPies
He certainly needs to go to Specsavers. Fancy wanting to sleep with Camilla when you were married to Diana. :lol:

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:21 pm
by NottsClaret
If you're against a monarchy - as I am - then protest the system.

Being subservient to unelected folk is my issue, not interested who the latest incumbent is, whether that's some Germans from a dangerously shallow gene pool or anyone else. Among them there'll be decent chaps, morons, chancers and grafters. But none of this matters of course, just what order they are born in or who their nan is.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:35 pm
by LoveCurryPies
NottsClaret wrote:If you're against a monarchy - as I am - then protest the system.

Being subservient to unelected folk is my issue, not interested who the latest incumbent is, whether that's some Germans from a dangerously shallow gene pool or anyone else. Among them there'll be decent chaps, morons, chancers and grafters. But none of this matters of course, just what order they are born in or who their nan is.

The reason they haven't been removed is politicians are so untrustworthy - we don't want President Blair and the likes.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:46 pm
by ŽižkovClaret
Two words that have me reconsidering my republicanism.

President Farage

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:47 pm
by Wile E Coyote
We live in a nation where thousands of gummy old ladies shriek "Eeeeeh, aren't they wonderful"
every time one of those parasites appears in public.
Mindless, stupid population, and those at the top with enormous wealth wanting nothing to rock the boat.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:48 pm
by 4:20
Good on him for his 'hatred of pesticides' and way of getting slugs off the lettuce.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:55 pm
by NottsClaret
ZizkovClaret wrote:Two words that have me reconsidering my republicanism.

President Farage
He's never won a by-election, in 7 attempts. Mind you, neither has Liz or Charlie.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:58 pm
by elwaclaret
Charles's estates are one of Britain's best managed and profitable in the country. The Prince's trust helps thousands; not only offering Enterprise awards (that Government scrapped in the late 80's) but also specialist education and tutoring. In my humble opinion if any single member of the Royal family was less worthy of the age old Republican "Scrounger" tag, then Prince Charles is it.

He's eccentric and he's an easy target..... no matter how little he actually deserves targeting.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:59 pm
by ŽižkovClaret
elwaclaret wrote:Charles's estates are one of Britain's best managed and profitable in the country. The Prince's trust helps thousands; not only offering Enterprise awards (that Government scrapped in the late 80's) but also specialist education and tutoring. In my humble opinion if any single member of the Royal family was less worthy of the age old Republican "Scrounger" tag, then Prince Charles is it.

He's eccentric and he's an easy target..... no matter how little he actually deserves targeting.
How much tax does his businesses and estates pay? Same as their commoner owned equivalents?

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:04 pm
by Sidney1st
ZizkovClaret wrote:How much tax does his businesses and estates pay? Same as their commoner owned equivalents?
Several accusations of tax avoidance over the years.

Probably pays more than the likes of Costa, Amazon or FB though.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:06 pm
by ŽižkovClaret
Sidney1st wrote:Several accusations of tax avoidance over the years.

Probably pays more than the likes of Costa, Amazon or FB though.
Hey, my nan pays more tax than that shower i expect

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:09 pm
by elwaclaret
ZizkovClaret wrote:How much tax does his businesses and estates pay? Same as their commoner owned equivalents?
I believe the Prince's Trust is one of the largest contributors to Britain's coffers... including being one of the few 'corporation' sized employers that has no special arrangements with HMRC (though I am no Royal watcher, merely what I've picked up from documentaries of various ilks... no doubt someone will be able to dig up something dodgy, he must rely heavily on top accountants to run the businesses, so it would come as little surprise)

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:13 pm
by UpTheBeehole
ZizkovClaret wrote:Hey, my nan pays more tax than that shower i expect
So does mine, and she's dead

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:14 pm
by Sidney1st
I don't mind Prince Charles in all fairness.

He doesn't really cause much aggro and invests a lot of time in various enterprises designed to improve the lives of a lot of common folk.

I think he'd be alright as King, but the Queen seems determined to stay in charge as long as she can.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:15 pm
by piston broke
Charlie is a Claret. Kick one we all limp.
Leave the lad be.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:52 pm
by TractorFace
I'm no royalist, but I've got to agree that The Prince's Trust does do a lot of good work.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:09 pm
by starting_11
piston broke wrote:Charlie is a Claret. Kick one we all limp.
Leave the lad be.
...I've got a bridge to sell you!

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:11 pm
by Blackrod
Not sure there is a place for them in the modern world. Keep the buildings and history for tourists. Put the currently wasted money into the NHS and helping kids.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:29 pm
by Foulthrow
Sidney1st wrote:Several accusations of tax avoidance over the years.

Probably pays more than the likes of Costa, Amazon or FB though.
Erm, no, he doesn’t. He has never worked therefore he’s never paid tax. How can you pay tax when you are claiming state benefits?

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:42 pm
by frankinwales
I remember his former butler, Burrell telling us that Charles has someone to put the toothpaste on the toothbrush for him, lazy sod that he is.....

Up the Clarets...........

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:45 pm
by Sidney1st
Foulthrow wrote:Erm, no, he doesn’t. He has never worked therefore he’s never paid tax. How can you pay tax when you are claiming state benefits?
If you read the comment I'd quoted you'll see we were talking about the estates he's in charge of.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:51 pm
by UpTheBeehole
Wouldnt it be great if Sidney could make one single post without being a condescending arse

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:17 pm
by pureclaret
ZizkovClaret wrote:Hey, my nan pays more tax than that shower i expect

Is your nan called Elizabeth by any chance and paying income tax capital gains tax and council tax

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:00 pm
by ŽižkovClaret
pureclaret wrote:Is your nan called Elizabeth by any chance and paying income tax capital gains tax and council tax
As it happens, no, but she has her public name and her family name

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:11 pm
by Colburn_Claret
Nothing wrong with Prince Charles.
A bit like religion though, if you dont like him or the royal family, nothing anyone says is going to change your mind.

Hed make a good king, but i doubt he is going to gwt the chance.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:53 pm
by gtclaret
Like him or them or not, the Royal Family are exceptionally profitable for the nation, and their charities put a lot of the fancy hi tech equipment in our hospitals

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:03 pm
by Buxtonclaret
UpTheBeehole wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/ ... -tom-bower


Can we not skip a generation and miss out this leech?

At least William comes across as a normal posh bloke, not an eccentric toff who evidently loves spending us taxpayers' money.


Crap.


Not particularly a Royalist, but that's crap.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:26 pm
by IanMcL
Just lucky he is a Claret! Think of the comments if he wasn't!

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:29 pm
by dermotdermot
Buxtonclaret wrote:Crap.


Not particularly a Royalist, but that's crap.
I agree with you totally.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:36 am
by chipbutty
Not a Royalist myself, but just think, only a couple of hundred years or so ago, a lot of you lot slagging him off would be in the Tower!

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:06 am
by tybfc
I felt like I had been in the Tower for a couple of hundred years just reading the opening post.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:06 am
by spamalittle
One of his best chums always had a good word for him and helped him when he had matrimonial problems...

...James Saville

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:23 am
by Top Claret
Never read as much tripe in my life. No wonder you follow Corbyn bum oil

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:20 pm
by evensteadiereddie
Well, that makes sense, Top Claret................. :roll:

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:35 pm
by boiledclaret
spamalittle wrote:One of his best chums always had a good word for him and helped him when he had matrimonial problems...

...James Saville
I wonder what they do write about Saville in this book. Has he just been written out?

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:06 pm
by boiledclaret
Well I'm still waiting for an answer.

There are people on this message board who are really starting to show their true colours now. The UK is an utterly filthy country, lacking in empathy and general decency.

End of an era for me. This message board, like the country, is fake and toxic.

Goodbye.

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:02 pm
by Rachel13
Until I found out

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:09 pm
by Rileybobs
boiledclaret wrote:Well I'm still waiting for an answer.

There are people on this message board who are really starting to show their true colours now. The UK is an utterly filthy country, lacking in empathy and general decency.

End of an era for me. This message board, like the country, is fake and toxic.

Goodbye.
:lol:

Re: The Madness of Prince Charles

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:44 pm
by FactualFrank
My dad was in the navy and said he once had a game of darts with Prince Charles, surrounded by his entourage. Born in the same year too, 1948.