Financial fair play

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:43 am

Will disappear. Currently no clubs under embargo. You telling me everyone has complied? No way. This one is gonna be swept under the carpet where it belongs.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:46 am

You mean you hope so after rover's spent £750K on agents fees.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:49 am

Just think about it. FFP prevents fairy tales like Jack Walker enabling his small town club to compete with the big boys. Why would anyone other than your tight assed board be happy with that?

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:58 am

Do you know how much we have spent on players in the 4 seasons we've been in the premier league?

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:00 am

Juan Tanamera wrote:Do you know how much we have spent on players in the 4 seasons we've been in the premier league?

Astound me.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:07 am

I believe I was asking the question when you said our board was tight asses.
So go on, you astound me with your in depth knowledge of our finances.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:11 am

I know your record fee, and I know how much they allowed dyche to sign a striker in nahki wells.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:16 am

so much better when you aren't here Saxo

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:17 am

Vegas Claret wrote:so much better when you aren't here Saxo

Of course it is if you don't want balanced views.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:18 am

Saxoman wrote:I know your record fee, and I know how much they allowed dyche to sign a striker in nahki wells.

So you know the square root of f*** all.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:20 am

Juan Tanamera wrote:So you know the square root of f*** all.

I'm confident your record outgoing fee will always be substantially higher than your record incoming. Take that to the bank.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:31 am

Saxoman wrote:Just think about it. FFP prevents fairy tales like Jack Walker enabling his small town club to compete with the big boys. Why would anyone other than your tight assed board be happy with that?

I think Venky's have put more into the club since they took over, how's that working out for you?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:32 am

Saxoman wrote:I'm confident your record outgoing fee will always be substantially higher than your record incoming. Take that to the bank.

Keane - incoming £30 million.

Wood - outgoing £18 million.

Are you Dianne Abbot in disguise?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:35 am

Saxoman wrote:Will disappear. Currently no clubs under embargo. You telling me everyone has complied? No way. This one is gonna be swept under the carpet where it belongs.

It's now based over 3 years, so some clever book cooking can help avoid embargo's.

If Rovers don't get promoted you'll get an embargo for the wage bill alone, as it's still higher than your income and in League 1 downwards it's limited to 60% of income.
You just get a years grace to sort it out.
Championship - I'm not sure what their upper limit is in wages, but even over the last 3 years I'm fairly sure you've had losses big enough to be handed an embargo.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:25 am

Saxoman wrote:Of course it is if you don't want balanced views.

It would be good if you offered balanced views JR but you don't, you just come on here and try to wind people up.

PLTMGMBJ · Post by **PLTMGMBJ** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:30 am

I'm no accountant but have viewed Rovers' accounts over several seasons and am sure they'd be placed under an embargo regardless of promotion.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:24 am

Saxoman wrote:Just think about it. FFP prevents fairy tales like Jack Walker enabling his small town club to compete with the big boys. Why would anyone other than your tight assed board be happy with that?

We are just keeping some nuts hidden away for when the darker times arrive that is all.
Just because it's more nuts than everyone else, doesn't mean it's the wrong approach.
I'm sure there are several teams out there wishing they had taken our approach of profits, which enabled us to bounce straight back at the first time of asking.

It can be frustrating as a fan when we post massive profits year on year, but whilst 7th no one can complain.
If we were 18th however I'd have to agree.

Sadly for you we are not, so net!

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:25 am

Saxoman wrote:Just think about it. FFP prevents fairy tales like Jack Walker enabling his small town club to compete with the big boys. Why would anyone other than your tight assed board be happy with that?

'Tight assed board'
99% of people within football wouldn't agree with that. From the person who doesn't attend matches and pretends to support one of the most badly run clubs in Britain.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:31 am

Saxoman wrote:Just think about it. FFP prevents fairy tales like Jack Walker enabling his small town club to compete with the big boys. Why would anyone other than your tight assed board be happy with that?

One minute they are crying foul when someone suggests they bought the title, and the next they are talking about being bankrolled by a benefactor.

Make your mind up.

Clarethalffull · Post by **Clarethalffull** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:40 am

Saxoman wrote:Just think about it. FFP prevents fairy tales like Jack Walker enabling his small town club to compete with the big boys. Why would anyone other than your tight assed board be happy with that?

It may also prevent 'fairy tales' like Indian chicken farmers taking over your club promising to sign 'Ronaldo or Beckham' but then signing Bradley Orr instead. '

Or 'fairy tales' like this...

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Call me old fashioned but I will stick to our 'tight assed' board who are currently delivering the best times of my life as a claret fan. Enjoy the game against Southend this weekend.

Fretters · Post by **Fretters** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:56 am

Saxoman wrote:I'm confident your record outgoing fee will always be substantially higher than your record incoming. Take that to the bank.

I really don't understand your point here. If you're saying our board is tight, why would our outgoing record be substantially higher than our incoming? That doesn't prove your point at all, it does the opposite.

I suspect you meant to say it the other way round, that our record incoming fee is substantially higher than our outgoing. In which case, yes, you're right, it's 66% higher (£30m to £18m). But let's not forget that your record incoming fee (£16.5m) is also a lot higher than your record outgoing fee (£8m). 106% higher, in fact.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:58 am

Fretters wrote:I really don't understand your point here. If you're saying our board is tight, why would our outgoing record be substantially higher than our incoming? That doesn't prove your point at all, it does the opposite.

I suspect you meant to say it the other way round, that our record incoming fee is substantially higher than our outgoing. In which case, yes, you're right, it's 66% higher (£30m to £18m). But let's not forget that your record incoming fee (£16.5m) is also a lot higher than your record outgoing fee (£8m). 106% higher, in fact.

Obviously what I meant.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:04 am

Claretforever wrote:One minute they are crying foul when someone suggests they bought the title, and the next they are talking about being bankrolled by a benefactor.

Make your mind up.

We didn't buy the title, we bought a fair and level playing field, parity with the big boys, then won the title deservedly through dalglish, harford and parkes brilliant management and coaching. Much of it masterminded may I add, on the public playing fields of pleasington pre brockhall.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:12 am

Saxoman wrote:I know your record fee, and I know how much they allowed dyche to sign a striker in nahki wells.

I assume then in your 'gimme gimme gimme' world of Blackburn Rovers that is isn't alright to live within your means and that clubs must have a sugar daddy to get them through the day? Are we now in a situation (started off by good old Uncle Jack) that you can't expect to have a football club unless some old fool or dodgy super rich oil magnate wants to unload a load of cash so that they can look fashionable and own a football club (and write some money off for the tax man). It's that kind of thinking that is ruining the game and it's the same thinking that will eventually kill off all but the wealthy clubs. Do you really want to see the first million pound per week footballer? Do you really want people who struggle to make ends meet to have to pay their hard earned so subsidise lifestyles that are unobtainable to them, to give money to people who earn more in a week than they do in 10 years or more? Is this what you think should be happening? It's a game for goodness sake, a pastime, people are milking money from the game and it is never coming back. What if Sky TV decide to pull the plug or at least cut what they pay for their rights? Ordinary players who in some cases aren't that good are now commanding huge transfer fees and ridiculous wages, it is going to see off the spectacle we all enjoy because no business can maintain for any length of time the kind of outgoings (ever increasing) that football clubs do. It's about time football all over the world and particularly here woke up and smelled the coffee.
The fans of Rovers in particular are typical of the modern so-called supporter, wringing their hands in despair because their owners won't constantly cough up more and more money to keep the ship full of holes afloat. Go on any top club board like this and look at fans bemoaning the fact that the club hasn't spent enough billions on players in the transfer window, it's just stupid beyond belief.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:31 am

Does anyone else find it funny that Wovers are still cheating but are mind-numbingly crap.

While we aren't and are brilliant

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:36 am

Mind numbingly crap.. Top of league one.. Young promising first team with a table topping academy side in reserve backing them up.. Whisper it quietly.. Something is stirring at ewood and brockhall.. And its not based on big money spending any more..

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:38 am

Saxoman wrote:Just think about it. FFP prevents fairy tales like Jack Walker enabling his small town club to compete with the big boys.

No, its about clubs spending within their means and not allowing someone to take reigns of a club, overspend and then run them into debt, ditching them when they get bored or can't buy the success.

Now, you don't need a crystal ball to know who that is probably going to happen to next...

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:38 am

Saxoman wrote:We didn't buy the title, we bought a fair and level playing field, parity with the big boys, then won the title deservedly through dalglish, harford and parkes brilliant management and coaching. Much of it masterminded may I add, on the public playing fields of pleasington pre brockhall.

Oh you did, you little tinker. Your spending way outstripped your means, and you outspent the big boys. Your broke the British transfer record twice, and we’re the first club in the UK to pay a player £10,000 per week.

After you the game changed, and all the big teams began spending more, but at the time you were submitting massive losses year after year, whilst the likes of Manchester United were profitable, and even in years where losses were made they were manageable.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:41 am

Saxoman wrote:... Top of league one..

In other news, the Accrington Combination are looking for new teams.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:42 am

Mind numbingly crap.. Top of league one.. Young promising first team with a table topping academy side in reserve backing them up.. Whisper it quietly.. Something is stirring at ewood and brockhall.. And its not based on big money spending any more..

But still £20 million a season from the Venkys or you'd be the new Portsmouth..........

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:42 am

Claretforever wrote:Oh you did, you little tinker. Your spending way outstripped your means, and you outspent the big boys. Your broke the British transfer record twice, and we’re the first club in the UK to pay a player £10,000 per week.

After you the game changed, and all the big teams began spending more, but at the time you were submitting massive losses year after year, whilst the likes of Manchester United were profitable, and even in years where losses were made they were manageable.

The big boys already had competitive squads. We had division 2 players. Dalglish is good, but he ain't that good to compete at the top with players from that league!

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:44 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:But still £20 million a season from the Venkys or you'd be the new Portsmouth..........

Venkys did that to themselves.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:51 am

Yeah, I forgot that Rovers fans didn't have to worry about how their football club magically financed itself.........

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:57 am

Saxoman wrote:The big boys already had competitive squads. We had division 2 players. Dalglish is good, but he ain't that good to compete at the top with players from that league!

In 1993 Blackburn finished 4th
In 1994 Blackburn finished 2nd
In 1995 Blackburn finished 1st

Did Jack Walker recruit Second Division players for three seasons on the bounce?

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:00 am

claptrappers_union wrote:In 1993 Blackburn finished 4th
In 1994 Blackburn finished 2nd
In 1995 Blackburn finished 1st

Did Jack Walker recruit Division 2 players for three seasons on the bounce?

Don't play dumb, you know what I mean. We came up in 1992 with a division 2 squad and had to build to be competitive.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:01 am

You went up in 1992 with a top division squad, because Walker had started his bankrolling

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:01 am

Saxoman wrote:Mind numbingly crap.. Top of league one.. Young promising first team with a table topping academy side in reserve backing them up.. Whisper it quietly.. Something is stirring at ewood and brockhall.. And its not based on big money spending any more..

Youve changed your tune, havent you?

You were begging for administration two or three months ago to get rid of the Venks.
That would have been curtains for you.

And now its, "Something is stirring at ewood and brockhall..."

By the way, hows the boycott going?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:04 am

Mike Newell signed for £1.3m
Hendry for over £1m.

Bear in mind Cantona joined Man Utd for £1m, and Schmeichel for £500k

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:07 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Mike Newell signed for £1.3m
Hendry for over £1m.

Bear in mind Cantona joined Man Utd for £1m, and Schmeichel for £500k

1.1m Newell. Our first million pound player. Hendry £700,000.

Dion Dublin also signed for utd for 1m.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:08 am

Saxoman wrote:Don't play dumb, you know what I mean. We came up in 1992 with a division 2 squad and had to build to be competitive.

The money Jack Walker spent on transfers was massive for a club the size of Blackburn - don't forget the state-of-the-art stadium at the time too.

Can you imagine Sean Dyche being allowed to build and financially compete with the likes of Manchester City, then claiming we won the league with 'Championship players' in three years time?

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:11 am

claptrappers_union wrote:The money Jack Walker spend on transfers was massive.

Can you imagine Sean Dyche being allowed to build and financially compete with the likes of Manchester City, then claiming we won the league with 'Championship players' in three years time?

Wtf are you on about? I'll say it slowly.. We came up with D2 players and had to build a squad to compete. This we did for the next 3 seasons, culminating in our title win.

You make it out that jack signed a full team as soon as we were promoted.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:13 am

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89-90 - made a profit of just under £1 million
90-91 - net spend on transfers just over £2 million loss
91-92 - net spend on transfers alone was just under £4 million loss
92-93 - net spend on transfers alone was approx £8 million loss
Then £9 million loss the following season.

So losses of approx £20 million over 5 seasons in the early 90's was a lot of money and that's not including the wage bill or other club running costs.

Assuming those figures are reasonably accurate, Rovers didn't generate enough revenue to lose that amount of money each season without the help of Walker.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:14 am

What's Rovers record signings by the way?

Duff to Chelsea £18m? Outgoing.
That right crap centre forward for £7.5? Incoming.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:14 am

Saxoman wrote:We didn't buy the title, we bought a fair and level playing field, parity with the big boys, then won the title deservedly through dalglish, harford and parkes brilliant management and coaching. Much of it masterminded may I add, on the public playing fields of pleasington pre brockhall.

So when Walker took over and they were in the lower reaches of the old second division they would have still got promoted and won the league if he hadn't rocked up with his millions? Rovers didn't create a level playing field they virtually created the boom and bust economy that is modern football. Without Walker there would have been no Dalglish, no Shearer, no Sutton, no Savage, need I GO ON. Taking into account inflation Blackburn Rovers under Walker spent money the like of which had never been seen in football before. They didn't create a level playing field, they created the absolute opposite.
In fact historically Blackburn Rovers have NEVER won anything without spending other peoples money, that has been proved many times. Gimmew Gimme Gimme club and fans.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:16 am

Saxoman wrote:1.1m Newell. Our first million pound player. Hendry £700,000.

Dion Dublin also signed for utd for 1m.

UTD generated enough revenue to afford it, Rovers didn't.

It's been well documented that Walker was determined to outspend the big clubs.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:16 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:What's Rovers record signings by the way?

Duff to Chelsea £18m? Outgoing.
That right crap centre forward for £7.5? Incoming.

Andy Cole 8m.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:18 am

Sidney1st wrote:UTD generated enough revenue to afford it, Rovers didn't.

It's been well documented that Walker was determined to outspend the big clubs.

But utd ALREADY had a multi million pound squad to compete for the title, before signing anybody.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:18 am

Saxoman wrote:Wtf are you on about? I'll say it slowly.. We came up with D2 players and had to build a squad to compete. This we did for the next 3 seasons, culminating in our title win.

Yes, with a benefactor with a bottomless pockets who could compete with the biggest clubs at the time. I'm just making a hypothetical comparison. If a billionaire owner came to Burnley tomorrow and spent the same as the likes Manchester City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea and won the league, would you suggest Burnley 'bought' the title? Yes you would. Just like Chelsea and Manchester City have done in recent times - they have been nowhere for years.

Only Leicester City have proven that there is now 'no excuse' for not winning the Premier League title.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:20 am

Sidney1st wrote:
Assuming those figures are reasonably accurate, Rovers didn't generate enough revenue to lose that amount of money each season without the help of Walker.

They still don't, and it's 2018

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:20 am

Saxoman wrote:But utd ALREADY had a multi million pound squad to compete for the title, before signing anybody.

Yes and no...

Class of 92 ringing any bells in that empty head of yours?

Our whole point is Rovers accelerated the quality of their squad in a short space of time thanks to Walker's determination to outspend the big clubs.

You'd started over spending before you got promoted and carried it on.
You lot whine about Venky's but Walker started it.