If we don't get a penalty on Saturday...

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:15 am

.... how will you be 'celebrating' the first anniversary of our last penalty in the league on Sunday? Personally I'll be spending the day falling over when anyone touches me (as I'm entitled to do).

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:44 pm

It's been that long, I was thinking that Ron Futcher scored our last penalty.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:46 pm

I'm going to go speeding to wrack up as many penalty points as possible

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:11 pm

Who would be our assigned penalty taker? Wood?

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:12 pm

whiffa wrote:Who would be our assigned penalty taker? Wood?

It’s probably still Graham Alexander

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:14 pm

whiffa wrote:Who would be our assigned penalty taker? Wood?

We haven't had one since Sean Dyche became manager - he leaves it up to the players and we've had Austin, Wallace, Ings, Vokes, Arfield, Taylor, Barnes, Gray & Wood all take one in that time.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:16 pm

When did we last have one in the League at Turf Moor?

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:17 pm

whiffa wrote:Who would be our assigned penalty taker? Wood?

We have had one this season and Wood took it

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote:We haven't had one since Sean Dyche became manager - he leaves it up to the players and we've had Austin, Wallace, Ings, Vokes, Arfield, Taylor, Barnes, Gray & Wood all take one in that time.

I remember the abuse Ings got on here when Taylor hit the post vs Leicester.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:18 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:When did we last have one in the League at Turf Moor?

Sunderland in the last game of 2016, Barnes scored. We had five away from home last season with Barnes, Gray & Vokes all scoring two each. The previous league penalty on the Turf prior to Sunderland was Gray's against Blackburn.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:18 pm

ClaretTony wrote:We haven't had one since Sean Dyche became manager - he leaves it up to the players and we've had Austin, Wallace, Ings, Vokes, Arfield, Taylor, Barnes, Gray & Wood all take one in that time.

Never knew that. How strange.

1963Claret · Post by **1963Claret** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:20 pm

And to think against Grimsby in 1909 we got 4 in the same game - and missed 3 of them!

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Sunderland in the last game of 2017, Barnes scored. We had five away from home last season with Barnes, Gray & Vokes all scoring two each. The previous league penalty on the Turf prior to Sunderland was Gray's against Blackburn.

That was the last game of 2016!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:37 pm

martin_p wrote:That was the last game of 2016!

It certain was - post corrected

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:46 pm

Vardy or Mahrez will `win` a penalty on Saturday

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:48 pm

Did we not go 2 full years without getting a penalty a few years ago?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:50 pm

If we could finish 7th or even 6th without being awarded a single penalty all season, it would be something for the record books I reckon.

Jel · Post by **Jel** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Sunderland in the last game of 2016, Barnes scored. We had five away from home last season with Barnes, Gray & Vokes all scoring two each. The previous league penalty on the Turf prior to Sunderland was Gray's against Blackburn.

Two each must be 6 not 5

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:54 pm

Jel wrote:Two each must be 6 not 5

Includes the one we got at home

Barnes - Sunderland (h) & Watford (a)
Gray - Arsenal (a) & Swansea (a)
Vokes - Southampton (a) & Everton (a)

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:55 pm

Why are people forgetting the penalty we've been awarded this season?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:55 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Why are people forgetting the penalty we've been awarded this season?

Not in the league

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:56 pm

So it wasnt a penalty?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:56 pm

whiffa wrote:Who would be our assigned penalty taker? Wood?

Who knows, we have no need of one.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:57 pm

ClaretTony wrote:We haven't had one since Sean Dyche became manager - he leaves it up to the players and we've had Austin, Wallace, Ings, Vokes, Arfield, Taylor, Barnes, Gray & Wood all take one in that time.

Wood? Have we had one while he's been here?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:58 pm

houseboy wrote:Wood? Have we had one while he's been here?

Leeds in the League Cup

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Sunderland in the last game of 2016, Barnes scored. We had five away from home last season with Barnes, Gray & Vokes all scoring two each. The previous league penalty on the Turf prior to Sunderland was Gray's against Blackburn.

If we had 5 away from home last season how can Barnes, Gray and Vokes all haver scored two each? Just asking like.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:01 pm

houseboy wrote:If we had 5 away from home last season how can Barnes, Gray and Vokes all haver scored two each? Just asking like.

See post 19 - answered, 1 at home and 5 away

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:01 pm

1963Claret wrote:And to think against Grimsby in 1909 we got 4 in the same game - and missed 3 of them!

Was that the one where we managed to lose 6-4?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:02 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:So it wasnt a penalty?

Not in the league it wasn't, which is what the thread is about.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:04 pm

martin_p wrote:Not in the league it wasn't, which is what the thread is about.

Why narrow it down to just the league?

We've had a penalty this season, we've had 6 in the last 15 months or so.

Why single it out as us not having a league penalty, on a saturday, when the wind is easterly, when Sean's got black boxers on?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:04 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:If we could finish 7th or even 6th without being awarded a single penalty all season, it would be something for the record books I reckon.

Especially if you factor in the non-penalties that were awarded against us. What IS it with us and referees as far as penalties go, or are we just too honest? I know Dyche hates cheating in the game so maybe our lot are too afraid to dive.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:05 pm

houseboy wrote:Especially if you factor in the non-penalties that were awarded against us. What IS it with us and referees as far as penalties go, or are we just too honest? I know Dyche hates cheating in the game so maybe our lot are too afraid to dive.

Arfield wasn't afraid to dive at Goodison

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:06 pm

There's no conspiracy against us, we've had loads of penalties in the last season and a half.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:10 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:So it wasnt a penalty?

Not in the league it wasn't no. I think that is mainly what people are getting at.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:12 pm

Right, so other than the penalty we've had this season, we haven't had a penalty this season.

Is that right?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:12 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Leeds in the League Cup

You are right of course but I thought we were talking about the PL. No league penalty this season so far.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:12 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Why narrow it down to just the league?

We've had a penalty this season, we've had 6 in the last 15 months or so.

Why single it out as us not having a league penalty, on a saturday, when the wind is easterly, when Sean's got black boxers on?

Because going a full year without a penalty in the league is somthing worthy of comment, especially given that we've managed to do so well in that year. If you want to start a thread about penalties in the league cup be my guest!

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:14 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Right, so other than the penalty we've had this season, we haven't had a penalty this season.

Is that right?

Try reading the first post and stop being a smart arse!

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:14 pm

"We had five away from home last season with Barnes, Gray & Vokes all scoring two each."
Understandable mistake. Ha ha.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:22 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:There's no conspiracy against us, we've had loads of penalties in the last season and a half.

I don't believe there is a conspiracy but strange things DO happen to make you think otherwise. I remember a few years ago United didn't conceded a single penalty at home for 7 (that's seven) years. Someone in his biography (I can't remember just who but he was an Italian player) said that to get a penalty at Old Trafford Japp Stamm would have to mow someone down with a machine gun and even then the ref would have to consult the linesman.

Anyway who needs 'em, we're doing fine without them.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:23 pm

martin_p wrote:Because going a full year without a penalty in the league is somthing worthy of comment, especially given that we've managed to do so well in that year. If you want to start a thread about penalties in the league cup be my guest!

Did we have a thread about it when Swansea went over a year without a penalty?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:24 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Right, so other than the penalty we've had this season, we haven't had a penalty this season.

Is that right?

I think that the OP was referring to the league, however if you want to be pedantic then yes, we are all wrong.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:25 pm

houseboy wrote:I don't believe there is a conspiracy but strange things DO happen to make you think otherwise. I remember a few years ago United didn't conceded a single penalty at home for 7 (that's seven) years. Someone in his biography (I can't remember just who but he was an Italian player) said that to get a penalty at Old Trafford Japp Stamm would have to mow someone down with a machine gun and even then the ref would have to consult the linesman.

Anyway who needs 'em, we're doing fine without them.

For those 7 years Man Utd were one of the best teams in world football. They always had the ball. There are reasons behind teams not conceding penalties, and there are reasons behind teams not being awarded them.

The major one is the time the ball and the play is in the relevant penalty areas.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:27 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Did we have a thread about it when Swansea went over a year without a penalty?

Well no, but then I guess Swansea aren’t that arsed about our penalty stats either. Do you think we’ll have a thread about Swansea’s game this weekend, or their transfer window in the summer? Do you think their might be a reason for this?

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:28 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Did we have a thread about it when Swansea went over a year without a penalty?

I'm considering starting a thread about Swansea going over a year without a penalty, anybody in with me?

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:30 pm

Just watch us get a pen in the first game of the new season

ralph8 · Post by **ralph8** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:36 pm

If we do get a pen, how about a prolonged goal celebration. Just to remind the football world of the ones we should have had.

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:45 pm

I'm going to celebrate by pointing at everything the way Mike Dean pointed at the penalty spot last Friday for Cardiff's second penalty against Wolves. One day in the distant future, when the rest of the world catches up to us and evolves a sixth finger, I hope the ref that awards us that overdue penalty points to the spot the way Mike Dean pointed to the spot all those millennia ago.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:48 pm

Perhaps we could print posters off and tie them to all the lampposts leading up to the Turf....Missing Penalty, have you seen....

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:53 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:For those 7 years Man Utd were one of the best teams in world football. They always had the ball. There are reasons behind teams not conceding penalties, and there are reasons behind teams not being awarded them.

The major one is the time the ball and the play is in the relevant penalty areas.

They were very good admittedly but 7 years? And there were some very obvious ones not given (don't ask for examples I'm not that bothered). 7 years amounts to about 140 or so games, give or take, so what you are saying is United were that good they should never have conceded a penalty at home in 140 games? United were no better than say Barcelona now (if they were even ever that good) but I'll bet Barca have conceded one or two in the last 7 years. SOMETHING was swaying referees at that time, I don't know what it was, the crowd, Fergie, who knows, but that is an awful long time to be penalty free at home, no matter how good you are.