Jay could be back on his way to us

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:51 pm

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DustyBawls · Post by **DustyBawls** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:53 pm

Absolute rubbish. Made up due to the connection, nothing more.

DustyBawls · Post by **DustyBawls** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:55 pm

And some bellend has said on that article to swap him for Chris Wood - shows how little some of our fans know about football.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:59 pm

Told you.

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FeedTheArf · Post by **FeedTheArf** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:01 pm

Would love him back, and not just for the nostalgia. He ticks a lot of the boxes we're looking for, work rate, good attitude, no ego. All signings have an element of risk but a lot of those risks are minimised because to a large extent we know what we're getting.

Would have thought we'd be looking around £15 million for it to happen. I can't think of many better players we'd get for that sort of money, particularly given our primarily British based player recruitment.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:03 pm

If he does return, it'll mean that the Boss wants him....

....which is good enough for me.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:06 pm

- but he wanted to leave, he wanted to go somewhere better..?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:07 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:Would have thought we'd be looking around £15 million for it to happen. I can't think of many better players we'd get for that sort of money, particularly given our primarily British based player recruitment.

Seems a lot for a player who will be 29 when the season starts and has a 1 in 4 for Southampton and 1 in 5 for West Brom. Will he be better than Sam Vokes in that respect?

We only paid £18 million for Chris Wood who is younger and looks a better player.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:07 pm

Please stop

Hes a championship player at best

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:11 pm

He was up for taking a wage cut in Jan to come back and we didn't want him .......... we're now in an even stronger position than then.

BurnleyPaul · Post by **BurnleyPaul** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:11 pm

Wood
Barnes
Vokes
Walters
Wells

Is he better than at least one of the players on the list above?
Would he add to our range of tactical options?
Does the manager want him?
Would he fit in with the other members of the squad?
Would he fit in with the work ethic demanded?

If the answer to all of the questions is YES then it’s a no-brainer; we go for him!

DustyBawls · Post by **DustyBawls** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:13 pm

BurnleyPaul wrote:Wood
Barnes
Vokes
Walters
Wells

Is he better than at least one of the players on the list above?
Would he add to our range of tactical options?
Does the manager want him?
Would he fit in with the other members of the squad?
Would he fit in with the work ethic demanded?

If the answer to all of the questions is YES then it’s a no-brainer; we go for him!

So we're not going for him, then.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:14 pm

BurnleyPaul wrote:If the answer to all of the questions is YES then it’s a no-brainer; we go for him!

Suppose it depends on the fee.

claretfern · Post by **claretfern** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:15 pm

Would rather we looked at Bristol City striker Bobby Reid. Then again, lots of clubs will be looking at him if Bristol don't get promoted.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:15 pm

DustyBawls wrote:And some bellend has said on that article to swap him for Chris Wood - shows how little some of our fans know about football.

That's a WBA fan.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:21 pm

He'll need a shave and haircut if he is to return

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:34 pm

His pace and movement is way above any of our squad. He’s played decent the past month in a very poor side. I’d be surprised if Walters and Wells are here in July so a yes from me.

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:47 pm

piston broke wrote:His pace and movement is way above any of our squad. He’s played decent the past month in a very poor side. I’d be surprised if Walters and Wells are here in July so a yes from me.

Not sure he's that pacy since the injuries.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:57 pm

mickleoverclaret wrote:Not sure he's that pacy since the injuries.

But with modern surgery techniques players should be able to recover fully from any severe injury. Both Same Vokes and Ashley Barnes did.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:08 pm

He's fine, he's fit and he is a Claret through and through.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:08 pm

Yes from me. Clinical and can do a job on the wing in a 433.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:13 pm

As I said on the other thread last month, short of signatures I know for a fact that this deal is done. If it doesn’t happen 1 of the 2 parties have made a massive ‘U turn’.

In relation to the Jan window, both the club and Jay tried to make it happen but they were unable to line the finances up

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:15 pm

He'll improve just by being managed by Mr Dyche, never mind that extra 5% drive he will have playing for his home town team, and being cheered on by family and friends.

He's done very well for a poor West Brom side, and often playing from out wide.

He's an upgrade on at least half of our attacking options, and will only improve under the genius that is Sean Dyche

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:23 pm

Not really a fan of people who leave their home club to go onto "better things" (more money)...

How is a club supposed to get better if the star and home grown players don't stick around to help?

Anyway, let him rot back in the Championship, the club is looking for better than him now.

claret10 · Post by **claret10** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:25 pm

I've heard should they be promoted that Aston Villa have been "sniffing around"

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:31 pm

claretfern wrote:Would rather we looked at Bristol City striker Bobby Reid. Then again, lots of clubs will be looking at him if Bristol don't get promoted.

Rodriguez is significantly better than Bobby Reid imo. Reid had something like a 3 month purple patch in the Championship and some people think he’s magic....no thanks.

Jay is also arguably an upgrade on all of our current forwards.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:32 pm

mickleoverclaret wrote:Not sure he's that pacy since the injuries.

He's looked fine the last couple of games.Might not have the pace he had but he's still quicker than what we have and his first touch is sublime.

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:34 pm

I've watched him quite a lot recently and he most certainly is premier league standard. Been a stand out for WBA. He would be perfect for our number 10 role for the right money.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:35 pm

cutsy123 wrote:Please stop

Hes a championship player at best

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:36 pm

A lot better than Championship standard.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:49 pm

Only my opinion

Better than Vokes, Walters and Wells

As good, if not better, than Wood and Barnes

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:49 pm

10 goals in a rank bad WBA side is not to be sniffed at. Would certainly give us better attacking options, it's definitely a yes from me. Hopefully Walters and Wells can be moved on.

Moorite · Post by **Moorite** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:51 pm

I've said it before, I'd have him back just to improve the atmosphere at the Turf. Plus it's the only song we sing at the right tempo.

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elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:53 pm

Nothing to do with him being an ex-Claret but I'd have him back, he can cover a multitude of attacking options well, so gives us a lot more flexibility during games.

Marney&Mee · Post by **Marney&Mee** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:54 pm

MRG wrote:As I said on the other thread last month, short of signatures I know for a fact that this deal is done. If it doesn’t happen 1 of the 2 parties have made a massive ‘U turn’.

In relation to the Jan window, both the club and Jay tried to make it happen but they were unable to line the finances up

I've heard the same as well MRG. 50% salary cut when they go down. He'll be at Burnley next season..

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:07 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:- but he wanted to leave, he wanted to go somewhere better..?

He didn’t want to leave at all. In fact, the club wanted to sell him before he eventually left, and he fought them on it originally. We HAD to sell him for the finance, and it was the club doing the pushing from what I know. That’s certainly the case 6 months before he left anyway.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:08 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:Rodriguez is significantly better than Bobby Reid imo. Reid had something like a 3 month purple patch in the Championship and some people think he’s magic....no thanks.

Jay is also arguably an upgrade on all of our current forwards.

1 in 4 for Southampton
1 in 5 for West Brom would suggest not.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:20 pm

I`d have him back if the price and wages were right.

And yes part of that is because he is an ex claret. He has a good affiliation with the club and the town and anybody who knows him understands he loves the club and the place.

As for him leaving Burnley - he left when we were nowhere near the level we are now as a club and we were not in a position to turn down £7m from Southampton. Jay is a grounded lad and he is nothing like Charlie Austin for example who has been nothing but an arse about Burnley ever since he left.

Not sure Jay will ever be the player he was before the injury when he had broke into the England squad and was on the verge of a move to Spurs for a lot of money. But I think coming back to his home club under a manager like Dyche in a set up which is so much better than when he left could improve Jay as a player (and he is already better than at least 3 of our strikers)

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:28 pm

MRG wrote:As I said on the other thread last month, short of signatures I know for a fact that this deal is done. If it doesn’t happen 1 of the 2 parties have made a massive ‘U turn’.

In relation to the Jan window, both the club and Jay tried to make it happen but they were unable to line the finances up

After he turned us down in the summer apparently?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:30 pm

Spijed wrote:1 in 4 for Southampton
1 in 5 for West Brom would suggest not.

You're using figures when he's been played out wide though to compare with our central strikers......

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:35 pm

KRBFC wrote:You're using figures when he's been played out wide though to compare with our central strikers......

A striker will always be judged on goals to games ratio, regardless of what position they play.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:40 pm

Given the position WBA were in when he signed in Jan, I would have thought that Jay's agent would, as a minimum, have insisted on a relegation release clause inserted into any contract
However, if the likes of WHU, Newcastle, Palace etc start to show any interest we have to be realistic and expect to be blown out of the water with wage offers
Money talks, and other clubs will be prepared to offer more (even if they really can't afford it)

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:41 pm

Spijed wrote:A striker will always be judged on goals to games ratio, regardless of what position they play.

Actually no they won't "always" be judged on this by the managers like Dyche who are looking at more than just this when signing a player.

Which strikers with a better than a 1 in 4 record in the Premier League would we able to afford to sign anyway ?

Jay`s statistics are not only distorted by playing out wide a number of times but also from the number of substitute appearances he has made and also the games he has had where he is getting back to fitness from injuries. I know this can be the case for all strikers / players but the point is that a striker is not judged just on this ratio...the analysis and decisions to bring players in go far deeper than this.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:43 pm

Spijed wrote:A striker will always be judged on goals to games ratio, regardless of what position they play.

Is that how you judge Ashley Barnes' time at Burnley?

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:47 pm

He's a cleverer player than any of our other forwards, and his touch and overall technique is also better.

I'd have him back in a heartbeat.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:47 pm

36..

He was certainly a good player for us.
He wanted to earn more money and he wanted to play for a bigger club.
He wanted to improve his chances of playing for England..
[this is how I understand it...maybe someone will correct me?]

I really don't have a problem with any of the above.
I do though take notice of how they left.
I certainly don't feel that I have to want and welcome them back.

Contrast say the way that Charlie Austin and Andre Gray left BFC, with how Michael Keane moved on.

Danny Ings?

It might not matter to some people/fans how players leave, but it does to me.
- particularly if there is a chance of them returning.

**At this point, with the squad we have, and the money we [probably] have available, can we sign better than Jay Rodriguez[age 29]

Yes.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:48 pm

If we sign any W Brom player it's surely Dawson - another Lancashire lad.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:49 pm

Obviously not a bad player but I can think of a few reasons why it may not be true.

1. He will still be on contract at WBA and they may fancy themselves to come straight back up if they keep their best players (like we did).

2. Rumour has it that he had the chance to come back last summer, so why would it be different now?

3. For the salary and price needed to get him we could probably get a younger more promising player.

4. Apart from being an ex Burnley player and from the town why would we want him?

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:50 pm

Spijed wrote:1 in 4 for Southampton
1 in 5 for West Brom would suggest not.

Not so sure previous goal ratios matter that much, what was Wood's Premier league goal ratio with Leicester and WBA? It's about how they fit in our system.
Look at the likes of Cork, middling Premier League player for Southampton and Swansea and who after less than 20 games in Dyche's system he's playing for England.
I think Jay would thrive in our system playing either as a number 10 or wide and would enhance our options.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:51 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:Obviously not a bad player but I can think of a few reasons why it may not be true.

1. He will still be on contract at WBA and they may fancy themselves to come straight back up if they keep their best players (like we did).

2. Rumour has it that he had the chance to come back last summer, so why would it be different now?

3. For the salary and price needed to get him we could probably get a younger more promising player.

4. Apart from being an ex Burnley player and from the town why would we want him?

To improve our squad?