Gary Rowett or Owen Coyle?

Claretuk · Post by **Claretuk** » Tue May 22, 2018 9:33 pm

Are they some sort of relation?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 22, 2018 9:56 pm

I don't get the joke, one has a PL promotion, one doesn't.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 22, 2018 9:57 pm

And one is a confirmed liar - we don't know about the other.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 22, 2018 9:59 pm

ClaretTony wrote:And one is a confirmed liar - we don't know about the other.

Hi CT

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:05 pm

Both got mum's in Scotland?

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:05 pm

Both consider Irn Bru and cake key elements of a training regime?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:06 pm

Derby are a mess and it's going to need a fair amount of work to sort them out, been like it for years.
He's taken a step up I think and he's done it at the end of the season and not really left Derby in the lurch.

He's nowt like Coyle, Rowett has always come across as a decent bloke who appears to be well respected.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:12 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Derby are a mess and it's going to need a fair amount of work to sort them out, been like it for years.
He's taken a step up I think and he's done it at the end of the season and not really left Derby in the lurch.

He's nowt like Coyle, Rowett has always come across as a decent bloke who appears to be well respected.

I think he made it fairly clear he wasn't happy when the cost cutting came in at Derby and given what happened to him at Birmingham you have to say it's a good move for him.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:15 pm

something went wrong at Brum either with him or his bosses who fired him when they were doing really well.
Judging by the team he brought to the Turf-they were a cheating lot IMO-so maybe his style of football compares with OC's personal behaviour when he was leaving us.
I think he will do a good job at Stoke- more of a Pullis type than Hughes or Lambert

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:24 pm

mdd2 wrote:something went wrong at Brum either with him or his bosses who fired him when they were doing really well.

Don't think anything went wrong - it was new owners who came in and wanted Zola, similar to Dyche's departure in some ways at Watford, but the ridiculous thing with Rowett was that he had them 7th in December. By the end of the season they won on the last day to stay up with Zola having been and gone disastrously and Redknapp giving them the final nod to stay up.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:28 pm

And that was before Cotterills reign.
Terrible few years for Brum fans.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:36 pm

Seems money oriented, I hope he fails.

Anyone remember us after Bryson and then him signing a 5 year deal at Derby?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:37 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Seems money oriented, I hope he fails.

Anyone remember us after Bryson and then him signing a 5 year deal at Derby?

Wasn't Bryson absolute gash for that season after he signed his new big money contract?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:41 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Seems money oriented

In some ways yes, in that there will be no budget at Derby and their chances of going up next season will be even slimmer than they've been in the last five years or so. He's going to Stoke who will have a sizeable budget because of the parachute payments.

The desire at Stoke is to get back into the Premier League
The desire at Derby appears to be getting the wage bill cut

If we were, God forbid, having to look for a new manager, Rowett would be on my list of potentials.

There again, I'm biased because I got on the pic when Stoke confirmed the appointment.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:46 pm

Many Birmingham fans think Rowett was sacked due to him speaking to other clubs behind his employers back.....

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:48 pm

ClaretTony wrote:In some ways yes, in that there will be no budget at Derby and their chances of going up next season will be even slimmer than they've been in the last five years or so. He's going to Stoke who will have a sizeable budget because of the parachute payments.

The desire at Stoke is to get back into the Premier League
The desire at Derby appears to be getting the wage bill cut

If we were, God forbid, having to look for a new manager, Rowett would be on my list of potentials.

I very much doubt that Derby will have seen a 'no budget' like our manager has in his time here.

Rowett's gone for the brass because he has no balls, and although I don't dislike Stoke I hope he fails.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:52 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I very much doubt that Derby will have seen a 'no budget' like our manager has in his time here.

Rowett's gone for the brass because he has no balls, and although I don't dislike Stoke I hope he fails.

Totally disagree with that. I think he's gone because Stoke is a much better opportunity. The Derby budget, whatever it is going to be, will be considerably less than it is now. Right now, which of the two do you think has the best chance of going up next season and which one would you prefer to manage?

I don't particularly like the bloke but I don't think it's a lack of balls, I think it is more the taking of a better opportunity. Seems Derby didn't do too much to keep him, they were quick to accept the money.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:53 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Wasn't Bryson absolute gash for that season after he signed his new big money contract?

I think he had a long term injury, which doesn't make it any less funny.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue May 22, 2018 10:57 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I very much doubt that Derby will have seen a 'no budget' like our manager has in his time here.

Rowett's gone for the brass because he has no balls, and although I don't dislike Stoke I hope he fails.

Couldnt agree more. Dyche went to burnley and got us promoted with the smallest budget in the league.
Last season kept us up with the smallest premier league budget in the league.
This season got us in europe with another transfer spend to sale deficit.

Money can help. But only if you know what youre doing with it.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:00 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Seems money oriented, I hope he fails.

Anyone remember us after Bryson and then him signing a 5 year deal at Derby?

Worked with his uncle who used to regularly mock burnley. Couldnt understand why nobody took him serious when he was a man utd fan from scotland.

Anyway recently bumped into his uncle again and asked what the crack with bryson. Pretty much admitted that he has no regrets about not signing for burnley as he is money motivated and a bit of a mummys boy

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Totally disagree with that. I think he's gone because Stoke is a much better opportunity. The Derby budget, whatever it is going to be, will be considerably less than it is now. Right now, which of the two do you think has the best chance of going up next season and which one would you prefer to manage?

I don't particularly like the bloke but I don't think it's a lack of balls, I think it is more the taking of a better opportunity. Seems Derby didn't do too much to keep him, they were quick to accept the money.

You know by now as well as I do that if someone wants away then it's no use in standing in their way. Quick to accept the money, or quick to let him go because he wanted to?

Didn't Rowett have Derby in the promotion places at the beginning of this year? What went wrong? Did he smell the brass from Stoke then at that time?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:08 pm

Dont understnd or buy this whole 'derby are in a real mess'

1) theyre a big one city club
2) theyve excellent facilities and youth academy - use them players
3) they have huge gates for the level theyre at
4) theyve a wealthy backer - cost cutting or not thats still a fact

They just dont spend as well as we did.

Buy players motivated purely by money and chances are you will fail.

We got promoted more than once by building teams consisting of young hungry players (Gray, Keane, Ings, Vokes, mee, arfield, paterson) experienced players with a point to prove (shackell, heaton, jones, boyd, barton, ward, wallace, marney, boyd, blake) or leaders (alexander, caldwell, carlisle, thompson)

And the one common factor - even in coyles time. All seemingly excellent characters that 'get' burnley.

Derbys cost cutting is just an easy bullshit excuse. If we cut our budget tomorrow dyche would get on with it.

You can either cry about the hand youre dealt and make excuses or worth within the limits you have. Dyche would gwt derby promoted in one season.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:16 pm

Too many Flash Harry's and not enough Dean Marney's.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:17 pm

They're a mess because of poor buying and poor managerial appointments quite simply.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:21 pm

All departments at Derby, who are set to lose manager Gary Rowett to Stoke, have been told to make cuts with the Championship club said to be losing £3m a month and a £10m-plus financial fair play bill in the offing.

Yeah I'd say that's a mess.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:21 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Couldnt agree more. Dyche went to burnley and got us promoted with the smallest budget in the league.
Last season kept us up with the smallest premier league budget in the league.
This season got us in europe with another transfer spend to sale deficit.

Money can help. But only if you know what youre doing with it.

Smaller budget than Gary Johnson had at Yeovil? I somehow doubt that

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:24 pm

KRBFC wrote:Smaller budget than Gary Johnson had at Yeovil? I somehow doubt that

I'm bloody sure I doubt that

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:24 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Dont understnd or buy this whole 'derby are in a real mess'

1) theyre a big one city club
2) theyve excellent facilities and youth academy - use them players
3) they have huge gates for the level theyre at
4) theyve a wealthy backer - cost cutting or not thats still a fact

They just dont spend as well as we did.

Buy players motivated purely by money and chances are you will fail.

We got promoted more than once by building teams consisting of young hungry players (Gray, Keane, Ings, Vokes, mee, arfield, paterson) experienced players with a point to prove (shackell, heaton, jones, boyd, barton, ward, wallace, marney, boyd, blake) or leaders (alexander, caldwell, carlisle, thompson)

And the one common factor - even in coyles time. All seemingly excellent characters that 'get' burnley.

Derbys cost cutting is just an easy bullshit excuse. If we cut our budget tomorrow dyche would get on with it.

You can either cry about the hand youre dealt and make excuses or worth within the limits you have. Dyche would gwt derby promoted in one season.

5) They cock it up every season. But I agree they aren't in a mess on the field ....maybe they're in trouble having failed this time?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:27 pm

KRBFC wrote:Smaller budget than Gary Johnson had at Yeovil? I somehow doubt that

Yep.

Spent £0 in august
Sold Austin for £4.5m
Then bought Barnes in January for 350k.

Net spend - minus £4.15m

Yeovil signed 12 players and loaned 20 in.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:29 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Didn't Rowett have Derby in the promotion places at the beginning of this year? What went wrong? Did he smell the brass from Stoke then at that time?

They were second from 31st Dec until 13th Feb - but by then they'd embarked on a run of 8 games without a win which followed a run of 12 games without defeat. They finished 3rd when we went up with Leicester. Since then they've finished 8th, 5th, 9th & 6th.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:37 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Yep.

Spent £0 in august
Sold Austin for £4.5m
Then bought Barnes in January for 350k.

Net spend - minus £4.15m

Yeovil signed 12 players and loaned 20 in.

Do we just ignore wage bill to suit the point?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:41 pm

KRBFC wrote:Do we just ignore wage bill to suit the point?

No because ive no idea what it was like any of us. But given Paterson, McCann and Grant refused the new deals we offered and Austin wanted out (and we didnt replace him) I doubt we were paying mega bucks. We dont now relative to where we are never mind then.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:46 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:No because ive no idea what it was like any of us. But given Paterson, McCann and Grant refused the new deals we offered and Austin wanted out (and we didnt replace him) I doubt we were paying mega bucks. We dont now relative to where we are never mind then.

The wage bill was shown in the 2013/14 accounts - considerably higher than Yeovil's, that's for sure.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:54 pm

Ok Dyche out. Johnson or Rowett in.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed May 23, 2018 7:24 am

Sounds like Rowett is jumping ship to Stoke. No comparison to Coyle whatsoever who left mid season. Derby's massive wage bill and low revenue streams due to the lack of Premier league football, l must now be catching up on them

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Wed May 23, 2018 8:20 am

I hadn't realised he'd left Derby and gone to Stoke. That was quick.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Wed May 23, 2018 8:36 am

ClaretTony wrote:Totally disagree with that. I think he's gone because Stoke is a much better opportunity. The Derby budget, whatever it is going to be, will be considerably less than it is now. Right now, which of the two do you think has the best chance of going up next season and which one would you prefer to manage?

I don't particularly like the bloke but I don't think it's a lack of balls, I think it is more the taking of a better opportunity. Seems Derby didn't do too much to keep him, they were quick to accept the money.

Totally agree CT. Stoke offers a far greater opportunity for Rowett at the moment and the fact it's all happened so quickly, without much fuss from Derby, shows they aren't particularly bothered it's happened. The Derby Board have finally realised they need to cut their cloth accordingly and a £2m payment in compensation for Rowett isn't a bad start. There's enough out of work managers available at present to enable them to replace Rowett without a huge cost implication. Someone like Mick McCarthy would make a lot of sense if they want someone who can work on a budget.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed May 23, 2018 8:44 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Yep.

Spent £0 in august
Sold Austin for £4.5m
Then bought Barnes in January for 350k.

Net spend - minus £4.15m

Yeovil signed 12 players and loaned 20 in.

This is a strange analogy as it ignores the years before it where we had Premiership money to build a team. It would be like saying if Man Utd didn't sign a player this summer and we spent 10m on someone that we had a bigger budget and it would be an achievement for Mourinho to out perform us.

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Wed May 23, 2018 8:55 am

ClaretTony wrote:And one is a confirmed liar - we don't know about the other.

I think maybe Stoke are simply ten years ahead of Derby.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed May 23, 2018 9:24 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:This is a strange analogy as it ignores the years before it where we had Premiership money to build a team. It would be like saying if Man Utd didn't sign a player this summer and we spent 10m on someone that we had a bigger budget and it would be an achievement for Mourinho to out perform us.

Like Derby now.

We were cost cutting and had spent all of our prem money.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed May 23, 2018 11:30 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Like Derby now.

We were cost cutting and had spent all of our prem money.

Yes and Derby are nowhere near having one of the lowest budgets in the division like you claimed Dyche had.

The comparison was Burnley to Yeovil not Burnley to Derby as I would agree managing Derby to promotion today would be an easier task than what Dyche did with Burnley in his first full season

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Wed May 23, 2018 11:48 am

jlup1980 wrote:There's enough out of work managers available at present ..........

One of them is mentioned in the thread title as well.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed May 23, 2018 11:50 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Yes and Derby are nowhere near having one of the lowest budgets in the division like you claimed Dyche had.

The comparison was Burnley to Yeovil not Burnley to Derby as I would agree managing Derby to promotion today would be an easier task than what Dyche did with Burnley in his first full season

Thats exactly the point I was making

Someone took me literally when I mentioned the lowest budget and mentioned Yeovil. But the whole point was made by BOT and I agreed with in post 19.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed May 23, 2018 12:17 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Thats exactly the point I was making

Someone took me literally when I mentioned the lowest budget and mentioned Yeovil. But the whole point was made by BOT and I agreed with in post 19.

Well in that case I'm in agreement with you but I cant believe someone took you too literally and out of context on here!!!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed May 23, 2018 1:38 pm

Still a lot of hatred for Coyle on here I see.

Before he was appointed if someone said he would get Burnley promoted to the Premier league playing attacking football, decent cup runs and then make sure 3 of our rivals went down to Division one. You would worship him like a God.

But you only carry hate for someone you had feelings for.

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Wed May 23, 2018 3:56 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Still a lot of hatred for Coyle on here I see.

Before he was appointed if someone said he would get Burnley promoted to the Premier league playing attacking football, decent cup runs and then make sure 3 of our rivals went down to Division one. You would worship him like a God.

But you only carry hate for someone you had feelings for.

Oh I never realised that Owen Coyle single-handedly relegated 3 teams to Division 1

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed May 23, 2018 4:39 pm

jtv wrote:Oh I never realised that Owen Coyle single-handedly relegated 3 teams to Division 1

He gets accused of far worse on here.

Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Wed May 23, 2018 8:05 pm

Always liked rowett and think of him as a ‘Dyche light’. I get the sense he has based his style on our Sean and there are also similarities in the way he speaks and handles interviews. Personally think he’d be a great replacement for Dyche if the unthinkable ever happened.

Big step up at present to Stoke and can’t blame him for leaving the bottlers who are having to scale down after so many failed promotion attempts.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed May 23, 2018 8:12 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:He gets accused of far worse on here.

What do you mean 'accused'?

He was guilty and 'his' God had punished him ever since.