The sort of street wise rough dirty bugger but that every team should have. Superb defender.

I heard he was off to be a wrestler, when he retires.

I’d rather lose like Karius than win like Ramos.

Foulthrow wrote:I’d rather lose like Karius than win like Ramos.

Why? What makes you say that?

Stayingup wrote:Why? What makes you say that?

If that is what you need to do to win I’d rather lose. Absolute joke when he tried to get Mane sent off.

Body slammed Salah then winged like a baby when Mane went near him. He certainly wont be going to Egypt anytime soon .

Undeniable quality spoilt by being a cheat.
One of the worlds best defenders certainly of my lifetime spoilt by being a cheat.
He should of been sent off, twice off the top of my head he could of got yellows for trying to get Mane booked.
Personally also feel the Salah challenge was at least a yellow he could of released Salah's arm at any point he deliberately kept hold an threw him to the floor to hurt him, maybe not cause the injury he has but certainly wanted to hurt Salah.
90 minutes of constant cheating even when 3-1 up an hes the same every game

He did what he did to Salah, because he knew he wasn't a good enough defender to deal with him.

FCBurnley wrote:Body slammed Salah then winged like a baby when Mane went near him. He certainly wont be going to Egypt anytime soon .

Why the he'll would he want to go to Egypt?

Who got another winners medal?

[quote="FactualFrank"]He did what he did to Salah, because he knew he wasn't a good enough defender to r
They wanted to stop Liverpool's best player. They did and won. End of.

Stayingup wrote:

And to do that, he could have defended well against him. He didn't - because he knew he couldn't. END OF.

Foulthrow wrote:I’d rather lose like Karius than win like Ramos.

So you'd rather throw one into your own net and look completely useless in a final than take home yet another winners medal?

Ahem, cough, muffled splutter:

Tommy Smith, Graeme Souness, Steve McMahon.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:So you'd rather throw one into your own net and look completely useless in a final than take home yet another winners medal?

No I think he means he'd rather try his best and make an error, than purposely injure an opposing player; possibly keeping him out of a World Cup, to gain an advantage, as opposed to having a bit about him.

FactualFrank wrote:No I think he means he'd rather try his best and make an error, than purposely injure an opposing player; possibly keeping him out of a World Cup, to gain an advantage, as opposed to having a bit about him.

Winners do what they have too.

We don't necessarily have to like it, but he's just won his 3 CL medal on the trot.

Horrible player, but one of the best CBs of all time for me. At least he's never been quite as horrible as Pepe.

He’s a total winner and does what he has to, World Cups, Euro Championships and countless European Cups.

A truly outstanding and very clever defender.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Winners do what they have too.
We don't necessarily have to like it, but he's just won his 3 CL medal on the trot.

You can be a winner and not be a 'orrible b'stard'.

I think it's down to how much you have about you. I'm not debating, I'm just giving my take on it.

Foulthrow wrote:If that is what you need to do to win I’d rather lose. Absolute joke when he tried to get Mane sent off.

So What? He got a winners medal. He's a top top.pro

FactualFrank wrote:You can be a winner and not be a 'orrible b'stard'.

I think it's down to how much you have about you. I'm not debating, I'm just giving my take on it.

All winners tend to have that little streak of toughness or nastiness in them.

Ramos just has a bigger nasty streak then most.

The reaction to last night has been hilarious. I can't believe he kept his patented shoulder dislocated / collarbone breaking move under wraps for so long given the reputation he has. It was just an awkward fall.

Then there's the one where they're claiming he smashed into the keeper - propelled by both of Virgil Van Dijk's hands in his back as he runs past him.

An element of the pre judgement of last nights incidents based on prior incidents. Still, funny to watch - especially that bloke from Casualty offering him a charity boxing match on Twitter - total meltdown.

Stayingup wrote:So What?

So you'd cheat to win - that's what you're saying.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:All winners tend to have that little streak of toughness or nastiness in them.

Ramos just has a bigger nasty streak then most.

So you think it's OK to break a players leg if you could get away with it?

FactualFrank wrote:So you'd cheat to win - that's what you're saying.

Yup

FactualFrank wrote:And to do that, he could have defended well against him. He didn't - because he knew he couldn't. END OF.

He did defend well against him
He stopped him. Ref was about 3 metres away. Didn't book him. Let's face it he's a good old pro.

Spijed wrote:So you think it's OK to break a players leg if you could get away with it?

Nope.
Accidents have happened over the years resulting in broken bones.

Roy Keane intentionally tried to break that leg and ended a career.

Ramos and Salah - it's all opinions, it looks crappy, but no one can say with 100% certainty that Ramos intentionally tried to injure Salah at that moment.
I wouldn't be surprised if he did, but equally I don't think he would try to cause serious harm.

Spijed wrote:So you think it's OK to break a players leg if you could get away with it?

That's a ridiculous comment.

Not a touch on Colin Blant when it comes to ‘subtle’ defending.

Stayingup wrote:He did defend well against him
He stopped him. Ref was about 3 metres away. Didn't book him. Let's face it he's a good old pro.

He didn't defend well against him - that's the whole point. That's why he did what he did. He wasn't going to handle another 70 minutes of Salah, otherwise he'd have looked daft so he did the only thing he could do - injure him.

Would he get away with some of his cheating in this country?

Ramos = winner, one of the best defenders in the world, would be a hero if he played in C&B

beddie wrote:Would he get away with some of his cheating in this country?

Other players do regularly.

He isn't the first player to cheat and won't be the last.

FactualFrank wrote:He didn't defend well against him - that's the whole point. That's why he did what he did. He wasn't going to handle another 70 minutes of Salah, otherwise he'd have looked daft so he did the only thing he could do - injure him.

Complete rubbish, to the point of laughable.

The reality is that a tangle ended up with an unforeseen injury. He played hard, that’s what the best do but there is no way he intended to take him out the game.

Looked daft? He hasn’t looked daft in World Cup Final and Champions League finals against the best so why now.

harpers_perm wrote:Complete rubbish, to the point of laughable.

The reality is that a tangle ended up with an unforeseen injury. He played hard, that’s what the best do but there is no way he intended to take him out the game.

Looked daft? He hasn’t looked daft in World Cup Final and Champions League finals against the best so why now.

Not defending or slagging off Ramos... he did what was necessary

But to say he didn't mean to do it is ludicrous. If he hadn't have taken him out of the game then, there would have been something more obvious coming next

harpers_perm wrote:The reality is that a tangle ended up with an unforeseen injury. He played hard, that’s what the best do but there is no way he intended to take him out the game.

Absolute rubbish. To the point of laughable.

starting_11 wrote:But to say he didn't mean to do it is ludicrous. If he hadn't have taken him out of the game then, there would have been something more obvious coming next

He can't have been watching the same game as the majority of us.

FactualFrank wrote:He can't have been watching the same game as the majority of us.

Probably like people who saw Barnes and Matic tangle saw two different things.

There are people on here convinced Barnes tried to snap Matic's leg.

harpers_perm wrote:Complete rubbish, to the point of laughable.

The reality is that a tangle ended up with an unforeseen injury. He played hard, that’s what the best do but there is no way he intended to take him out the game.

Looked daft? He hasn’t looked daft in World Cup Final and Champions League finals against the best so why now.

A tangle? Are you for real?

Foulthrow wrote:I’d rather lose like Karius than win like Ramos.

In no time the incident will be fotgotten and the record books will just show that Real won. If Burnley kick seven shades of sh1t out of whoever to win the Europa cup that'll do me.

Foulthrow wrote:I’d rather lose like Karius than win like Ramos.

DustyBawls wrote:A tangle? Are you for real?

Absolutely.

A tangle, a coming together, football is a physical game, that’s what happens and again it ended in an unforeseen injury.

No commentator or studio experts were ‘guffawing’ for a red card.

Yes he wrestled him but it happens constantly, just unfortunate he landed badly.

That simple isn’t it.

dandeclaret wrote:

Fair play has to still be worth something, doesn’t it?

Hate this attitude of nothing matters as long as you win. It does matter.

Foulthrow wrote:Fair play has to still be worth something, doesn’t it?
Hate this attitude of nothing matters as long as you win. It does matter.

Totally down to the character of the person you're asking.

Agree fully with your view Harpers_perm. It's similar to the Chelsea fans going mad about the Cech head injury, or De Jong in the World Cup Final. There is a risk of accidental injury when you play the game of football. There's also a much reduced risk of injury with intent - see Roy Keane on Haaland, Ben Thatcher's Elbow as prime examples. But let's not pretend Ramos was some sort of Karate expert who had a plan to injury Salah. If he'd wanted to do him, he'd have smashed him feet first in a tackle.

Jeez! You really can tell who the Posters with a secret hard-on for Liverpool FC are on here, can’t you?
I’ve never really bought into this ‘Second Team’ bo-llox myself.

Foulthrow wrote:Fair play has to still be worth something, doesn’t it?

Hate this attitude of nothing matters as long as you win. It does matter.

Oh I think if you win in a poor manner, through deliberate cheating, injuring of players, diving etc, then you should be punished and I agree, it has to be worth something. If you're labelling that at Ramos last night then It's totally incomparable, except for the one where he went down holding his face - I'd have booked him for that - but there's nothing in the tangle with Salah though - just an accident.

PS - Ronaldo appears to have lost his pace doesn't he? Wonder if we've anybody on the message board these days who is quicker than him.

dandeclaret wrote:Agree fully with your view Harpers_perm. It's similar to the Chelsea fans going mad about the Cech head injury, or De Jong in the World Cup Final. There is a risk of accidental injury when you play the game of football. There's also a much reduced risk of injury with intent - see Roy Keane on Haaland, Ben Thatcher's Elbow as prime examples. But let's not pretend Ramos was some sort of Karate expert who had a plan to injury Salah. If he'd wanted to do him, he'd have smashed him feet first in a tackle.

WTF? Is that a position in Netball? Sort of makes sense now.

PS.

Cirrus_Minor wrote:Not a touch on Colin Blant when it comes to ‘subtle’ defending.

Or Colin Waldron. Bloody hell those two didn't take prisoners did they? Ramos is like Mary Poppins compared to Blant.