Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, shadow Minister for Sport, has set up a survey on safe standing. She'd holding a meeting this week with supporter representatives and is gathering information ahead of the Parliamentary debate on 25th June.

If you can, please complete.

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Done.

I fear it is one accident away from a disaster which would put football back decades of progress.

pushpinpussy wrote:I fear it is one accident away from a disaster which would put football back decades of progress.

What? Filling in a survey?

ClaretTony wrote:What? Filling in a survey?

Done, takes 3 minutes of your time.
Whatever your opinion, now is your chance to express it.

Done.

UTC!

First 2 questions seemed to relate to the same thing. Isn't "No standing allowed" and "Strictly forced to sit" the same?

They also seen to have decided that 10% will be the max standing area before they've even had the debate?

In any case I completed the rest of the survey

Quite fit is Ms Khan isn't she?

Completed and would be more than happy to see something done, although I would still prefer to sit.

Wasn't there a survey on here a few weeks ago (which I completed) ?

How many do they want ?

Croydon Claret wrote:First 2 questions seemed to relate to the same thing. Isn't "No standing allowed" and "Strictly forced to sit" the same?

I guess under the current system there is 'no standing allowed' in theory, but people aren't 'strictly forced to sit' all the time, particularly at away matches.

Done, but why restrict it to up to 10% of the ground capacity?

If a % has to be for visiting fans (I assume it would but my be wrong) then it equates to less than those who currently stand in the CF stand.

10% doesn't seem anywhere near enough to me, especially when the person occupying the spot could sit anyway

are they sure you can take your kids into a standing area and its going to be safe. no i dont think so. its a massive no from me. too many drunken idiots go on the football im afraid to say.

pushpinpussy wrote:are they sure you can take your kids into a standing area and its going to be safe. no i dont think so. its a massive no from me. too many drunken idiots go on the football im afraid to say.

You are either just trying to be argumentative or you simply don't understand what the survey is about. That's absolutely clear from this post.

Funkydrummer wrote:Wasn't there a survey on here a few weeks ago (which I completed) ?

How many do they want ?

That was a FL survey I think - this is from the shadow sports minister ahead of her meeting this week and the Parliamentary debate. But, for me, they can have as many surveys as they like because they will hopefully and eventually lead to getting some safe standing back in our grounds.

pushpinpussy wrote:are they sure you can take your kids into a standing area and its going to be safe. no i dont think so. its a massive no from me. too many drunken idiots go on the football im afraid to say.

Interersting view. I used to take my kids back in the 70s and 80s right from the age of 5 and it was a lot more dangerous in those days ---and not just in the ground either.
It is a risk you take and I have to admit that there was only one occasion when I really worried about it and that was when a load of Burnley fans chased Wolves fans back down to the railway station after a match at the Turf in the mid 70s and that was very scary.

pushpinpussy wrote:are they sure you can take your kids into a standing area and its going to be safe. no i dont think so. its a massive no from me. too many drunken idiots go on the football im afraid to say.

So don't take your children into a designated safe standing area

Barry_Chuckle wrote:So don't take your children into a designated safe standing area

The thing is, if there were a designated SAFE standing area there would also be designated seating areas where people would actually be able to sit. That's better and far safer than the situation we have now.

ClaretTony wrote:You are either just trying to be argumentative or you simply don't understand what the survey is about. That's absolutely clear from this post.

i understand. do you?

pushpinpussy wrote:i understand. do you?

Done......from an old timer who misses standing and cringes when returning home for the occasional game and has to sit. Germany has done this safely for years, why not us?!?!?!?!?

It won’t let me submit my views without me giving away my email address, what a waste of time.

pushpinpussy wrote:are they sure you can take your kids into a standing area and its going to be safe. no i dont think so. its a massive no from me. too many drunken idiots go on the football im afraid to say.

Even if safe standing is allowed it would only be in a small percentage of the ground. You wouldn't be forced to take your kids in there.

anthonyg55 wrote:Done......from an old timer who misses standing and cringes when returning home for the occasional game and has to sit. Germany has done this safely for years, why not us?!?!?!?!?

Simple because we are a 3rd world country where things like this are concerned.

ClaretTony wrote:The thing is, if there were a designated SAFE standing area there would also be designated seating areas where people would actually be able to sit. That's better and far safer than the situation we have now.

Agree you would think most grounds now could have a designated stand just for people who wish to stay standing,it is no different to a family area being assigned,and would avoid the constant bobbing up and down as peeps try to follow the action,how this would work for home fans and away fans hasn't been made clear as yet,and the 10% is an arbitrary figure,for t'turf that would equal 2000/2200 fans taking into account segregation.Given the tight time frame i can't see these proposals being workable until the 2019/2020 season anyway.

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Completed and would be more than happy to see something done, although I would still prefer to sit.

Me too.

They can’t even in force safe seating in the away end at Burnley away games let alone anything else.

I.e. people standing up in front of seated fans.

ClaretTony wrote:What? Filling in a survey?

Done,however he made a valid point as as soon as I entered my results my ceiling caved in,floor collapsed and boiler blew up. Spooky.

South West Claret. wrote:It won’t let me submit my views without me giving away my email address, what a waste of time.

Not a waste of time at all - why wouldn't you be happy including your email address?

I've filled it in and sent. I have denounced the issue as a political red herring by those that seek to use sport for the wrong reasons.

ClaretTony wrote:Not a waste of time at all - why wouldn't you be happy including your email address?

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Security of course so certainly a waste of time, if they want too know opinions then just let people give them without denying them the chance.

pushpinpussy wrote:are they sure you can take your kids into a standing area and its going to be safe. no i dont think so. its a massive no from me. too many drunken idiots go on the football im afraid to say.

Are you just trying to get a rise or have you not understood the concept of it being EXACTLY like it is now, but with the added safety feature of a barrier in front of you and behind you?

You do understand it isn’t a return to the terraces of old don’t you? That was a view I often heard 2-3 years ago from people on Tv who hadn’t done their research, but I have heard that for ages.

I’ve filled in in. The 10% seems really low, and I’d have thought clubs would want 25% (well, not the huge clubs), otherwise you’ll still get people standing in seated areas.

Should be 25%. Haven’t a clue why they’d restrict it and clubs will know already how many people stand in their grounds.

Done

Done. Said safe standing helps keep me fit and healthy - and I'm in my 7th decade.

I didn't mind entering my email address.....

But, I've just received an invitation to buy tickets for "Jezfest" at White Hart Lane on 16th June.

Paul Waine wrote:Done. Said safe standing helps keep me fit and healthy - and I'm in my 7th decade.

I didn't mind entering my email address.....

But, I've just received an invitation to buy tickets for "Jezfest" at White Hart Lane on 16th June.

Least it wasn't Jizzfest

pushpinpussy wrote:are they sure you can take your kids into a standing area and its going to be safe. no i dont think so. its a massive no from me. too many drunken idiots go on the football im afraid to say.

Rather missing the point or is he/she doing so deliberately.

He/Shes initial comment was daft enough wasn't it.

Currently a drunken idiot can sit next to you anywhere in the ground.

The survey is about the possibility of 10% of the ground being designated for standing. You and your children can choose to remain in the normal seated area. Of course the drunken idiot might follow you as he may feel his swaying might cause him to fall if his arse is not firmly planted on a seat.

Done. The 10 % is a strange arbitrary figure that will make for some odd ground configurations. Surely one stand would be easier and the club could choose the stand.

South West Claret. wrote:It won’t let me submit my views without me giving away my email address, what a waste of time.

If that concerned just set up a “junk” email address to use for any surveys like this

Thanks but I really can’t be bothered, if they won’t except without then I’m not interested it’s their loss.

South West Claret. wrote:Thanks but I really can’t be bothered, if they won’t except without then I’m not interested it’s their loss.

No different than using an email address to register on here.

Claretforever wrote:I’ve filled in in. The 10% seems really low, and I’d have thought clubs would want 25% (well, not the huge clubs), otherwise you’ll still get people standing in seated areas.

Should be 25%. Haven’t a clue why they’d restrict it and clubs will know already how many people stand in their grounds.

I don’t know why 10% has been given as a figure but I’ll endeavour to find out.

pushpinpussy wrote:are they sure you can take your kids into a standing area and its going to be safe. no i dont think so. its a massive no from me. too many drunken idiots go on the football im afraid to say.

I went to see The Specials/The Rolling Stones at the Ricoh Arena, Coventry last night - there were several fights between drunken idiots outside the stadium before the concert had even started! I have seen drunken punch-ups and cat-fights in Solihull town centre during a weekend afternoon. Maybe nowhere in this country is safe for kids!

bfcmik wrote:I went to see The Specials/The Rolling Stones at the Ricoh Arena, Coventry last night - there were several fights between drunken idiots outside the stadium before the concert had even started! I have seen drunken punch-ups and cat-fights in Solihull town centre during a weekend afternoon. Maybe nowhere in this country is safe for kids!

You can't get no satisfaction anywhere these days

ClaretTony wrote:No different than using an email address to register on here.

I sincerely hope it is as I have trusted this site, unless you know something different.

South West Claret. wrote:I sincerely hope it is as I have trusted this site, unless you know something different.

Try reading the survey again

ClaretTony wrote:I don’t know why 10% has been given as a figure but I’ll endeavour to find out.

My best guess is it's completely arbitrary.

ClaretTony wrote:Try reading the survey again

I have why?

Using a percentage seems strange. That would mean Man Utd could have 7,500 standing, Burnley 2,100. Yet in Germany, Dortmund have 25,000 I believe, standing in one stand.