just watched the football.
woman presenter
black woman guest.
2 other black male ex plyer guests.
Has it got so that your average white ex footballer is now getting squeezed out of this process on itv ?
political correctness gone mad if you ask me.
why not start throwing in some gays and lesbians and have done with it.
this country of ours needs to remember that its actually full of caucasian people and stop over representing different groups.
no problem with any group being fairly represented but its now gone silly.
will say that listening to a woman trying to do a motty just isnt right. its like putting pineapple juice in your whisky.
bbc now on and got a very balanced panel even though no female representative in the 3.

It sounds like you have a problem

why does it bother you that women and black people are allowed to present on TV?

Wait till hee see that there a whole bunch of Latinos on the pitch. It's the lefty-liberal fascists trying to remove the white man from sport.

Instead of all the rubbish what's talked about pre match and half time I've always thought they should show looney toons shorts or classic pop videosPlus im sure it would cheer people up better than most of the 90 mins dross on offer

Turn the colour off.

ClaretJimmy wrote:why does it bother you that women and black people are allowed to present on TV?

read my post again.

Or choose the best person for the job regardless of colour. I couldn't give a **** what colour they are just keep Chris Sutton away from my eyes

Iain Dowie commentated on the Serbia game surely that balances everything up .

claretnproud wrote:read my post again.

why does it bother you that women and black people are allowed to present on TV?

joey13 wrote:It sounds like you have a problem

yep, I would like to hear the views of good ex players who are employed for their ability to carry out the task well and not because they fit into the right group.

obviously a fishing venture.

claretnproud wrote:yep, I would like to hear the views of good ex players who are employed for their ability to carry out the task well and not because they fit into the right group.

Like Dowie ?

ClaretJimmy wrote:why does it bother you that women and black people are allowed to present on TV?

so you didnt read my post again then.

Really can't criticise them as they're all a blessed relief from having to listen to Hoddle commentating.

bbcs panel far more balanced and I think Lineker is very good as a front man.

claretnproud wrote:bbcs panel far more balanced and I think Lineker is very good as a front man.

He’s white as well which is great.

Rileybobs wrote:He’s white as well which is great.

Not too bothered about that . I like Ian wright as a pundit but don't see him as a presenter.

joey13 wrote:It sounds like you have a problem

No it sounds like he's got an opinion.or should he not say anything because his opinion differs from yours?

I agree with you somewhat, I don't enjoy listening to female commentators or pundits but I enjoy Ian Wright, so I'm not assed what colour skin the pundit has.

Claret eze wrote:No it sounds like he's got an opinion.or should he not say anything because his opinion differs from yours?

Top irony , brilliant

All you need to ask is would the OP have made this thread if the panel was Lineker, Shearer and Murphy?

It's Patrice Evra and Henrik Larsson, two of the greatest players of their generation. They're hardly token selections.

northernpowerhouse wrote:It's Patrice Evra and Henrik Larsson, two of the greatest players of their generation. They're hardly token selections.

I think that was entirely the point.

Rileybobs wrote:All you need to ask is would the OP have made this thread if the panel was Lineker, Shearer and Murphy?

my point is that I believe itv are actually putting race and sex before whether an individual is actually the best person for the job.
they shouldnt be looking at skin colour or male or female. just get the best out there to do the job. the lunch time game panel was pathetic with both male guests very poor and argumentative. both neville brothers are great, as is ian wright and numerous other black or foreign players.
the whole line up just smacked of political corrctness gone mad.

It's probably UTB on a 2nd account trying to stir racial talk

starting_11 wrote:It's probably UTB on a 2nd account trying to stir racial talk

Latest excuse: He's not a racist, he's a lefty pretending to be a racist.
And Tommy Mair was fitted up by police.

Jesus, you people are ****** in the head, aren't you?

Not really and I certainly wouldn't put it past him.

Maybe if you provided some examples of their punditry that wasn't up to the required standard, your argument may hold a little more water.

Evra is just a poor pundit
Ian Wright is annoyingly poor
Aluko is not great

Right....that’s the **** black ones

Dowie can’t speak proper
Sutton is a pr-ick
Roy Keane hates everything and everybody -he’s a pantomime cow.

That’s the **** honkies

Right now the brown ones

Fabregas...teeth too white

Etc
Etc

Clive Tyldsley said Switzerland's goal was 4 meters out when it was inside the 6 yard box.
I remember when being a commentator was a professional job

Damo wrote:Clive Tyldsley said Switzerland's goal was 4 meters out when it was inside the 6 yard box.
I remember when being a commentator was a professional job

4 metres is shorter than 6 yards.

Last two posts should be a museum piece immortalising the internet in 2018.

ClaretJimmy wrote:why does it bother you that women and black people are allowed to present on TV?

Nobody said that, you twister. The point he made was the out of proprtioness.

basil6345789 wrote:Nobody said that, you twister. The point he made was the out of proprtioness.

Who cares about proportions? That's the kind of thing that leads to all women and all BAME shortlists, which presumably the OP thinks is politically correct nonsense. Or is it just a problem if it's white males are underrepresented?

basil6345789 wrote:Nobody said that, you twister. The point he made was the out of proprtioness.

in what way is it out of proportion? it was a panel of three people for one match. Why does a white man have to be involved every time? Does it upset you and the op that much?

Clive Tyldsley spends the whole game trying to be a comedian. Well I have news for him, he IS a comedian and should leave football well alone. Bring back Martin Tyler.

ClaretJimmy wrote:in what way is it out of proportion? it was a panel of three people for one match. Why does a white man have to be involved every time? Does it upset you and the op that much?

let me intervene jimmy as it appears you are a bit thick.
my point was that the itv are putting these people up as token gestures to make themselfs look pc.
note that they lumped them all together on a low profile game and left the brazil game to
a stronger line up that wouldnt upset their peak time viewing figures.
it is itv who are at fault here, not the people themselfs.
although this afternoons effort was cringeworthy. very poor guests with little input who
squabbled between themselfs.
the bbc effort with ferdinand and company a far far better effort.

Are you seriously claiming that Evra and Larrson were chosen because they're black rather than because they've got 187 caps and have been to five World Cups between them?

Aluko arguing the toss with laarson smacked of a woman wanting to wear the trousers.....it's gonna end bad in my opinion.

northernpowerhouse wrote:Are you seriously claiming that Evra and Larrson were chosen because they're black rather than because they've got 187 caps and have been to five World Cups between them?

I think he was saying evra was pants and aluko wants to be seen to be wearing them.she is trouble.

northernpowerhouse wrote:Are you seriously claiming that Evra and Larrson were chosen because they're black rather than because they've got 187 caps and have been to five World Cups between them?

lady presenter
black female guest
both evra and larson
all 4 represented the minorities and combined made a cringeworthy show.
can say again if you didnt here the first 2 times.

This can probably be cross-posted with the other punditry thread. England is around 3.5% black British according to the 2011 census, around half of which (it's reasonable to assume) is female. I'm not sure it's possible to represent to accurate 'proprtioness' (sic) 1.75% of the English population on a three-person panel in a such a way that doesn't involve a copious amount of gore, but here we are.

tim_noone wrote:Aluko arguing the toss with laarson smacked of a woman wanting to wear the trousers.....it's gonna end bad in my opinion.

She was right though wasn't she? Serbia were obviously the better team.

tim_noone wrote:Aluko arguing the toss with laarson smacked of a woman wanting to wear the trousers.....it's gonna end bad in my opinion.

it was awkward at best
then evra chipped in and it got even worse.
really really poor stuff.

northernpowerhouse wrote:She was right though wasn't she? Serbia were obviously the better team.

yes she was right
larson seemed to be watching a different game but wanted to argue about it.

northernpowerhouse wrote:She was right though wasn't she? Serbia were obviously the better team.

She'd be better off on question time.be she right or wrong she's bad news.

claretnproud wrote:lady presenter
black female guest
both evra and larson
all 4 represented the minorities and combined made a cringeworthy show.
can say again if you didnt here the first 2 times.

But on the later game they had five white males. Would it be okay if they swapped Evra and Larsson for Neville and Keane? Or is two black people on one broadcast still too much?

claretnproud wrote:yes she was right
larson seemed to be watching a different game but wanted to argue about it.

I think I'm reading that correctly.

northernpowerhouse wrote:But on the later game they had five white males. Would it be okay if they swapped Evra and Larsson for Neville and Keane? Or is two black people on one broadcast still too much?

What's colour got to do with it? Evras crap and aluko marginally less so.