If oil (not smokeable) cannabis was to be legalised then supplies should be dirt cheap as production costs are low and no R and D costs. Don't want to see smoking it being legal.

You don’t want to see smoking weed legalised because? You feel it’s your business to tell people what they can and can’t do? Nanny state person, that hates anyone else enjoying themselves? Presumably you don’t drink alcohol or coffee - both of which being more toxic than weed - or if you do, how do you justify your hypocrisy?

Layabout dope smoker alert!

AndrewJB wrote:You don’t want to see smoking weed legalised because? You feel it’s your business to tell people what they can and can’t do? Nanny state person, that hates anyone else enjoying themselves? Presumably you don’t drink alcohol or coffee - both of which being more toxic than weed - or if you do, how do you justify your hypocrisy?

I think somebody needs to swallow a chill pill. Or smoke a joint.

Everything should be legalised. Like The Purge but permanent. Battle Royale. Last man standing. That sort of thing.

Presumably using his argument u could leaglise heroin because they use opiates in medicines

...or because people drink coffee

Overreaction to an innocuous opening post alert.

taio wrote:Overreaction to an innocuous opening post alert.

Yes it’s a pity some don’t take five to think things through before responding on here.

Overreaction? I just questioned why.

And yes, heroin should be decriminalised. The war on drugs failed a long time ago.

...clearly, if you're anything to go by!

Medicinal oil should be legalised, it's almost a no-brainer.
There's also a pretty strong case for legalising cannabis to smoke recreationally IMO. This would give some control over the strength/quality of the product and should raise a fair bit of revenue (assuming tobacco-like tax levels). The tax revenue could be used for something useful for the UK population (eg NHS, more beat coppers etc). It's possible that crime/police work will be cut too (but it still leaves coke/harder drugs to be policed).

I haven't used cannabis for c 40 years now (so no personal involvement) and wouldnt even if legalised. Nothing against it but I dont inhale any smokes at all nowadays, I just like a very occasional cigar.

The Portuguese decriminalised heroin and the number of users is now estimated to be around 25,000, down from 100,000 when the policy first began. Also, as you can probably guess, crime has fallen too, but let's keep the old failed policies because it pacifies the tabloid press and the ill-informed.

Strange that they don’t permit the use of cannabis for medical usage since heroin (diamorphine) has been used for yonks. Speaks volumes about how our politicians are led by fear of being seen to be soft on drugs instead of having the courage to use common sense.

Like most legislation it usually comes down to balance and enforcement.

It seems to work for the young lad who was fitting therefore I think it should be allowed. I know a guy with MS and smoking cannabis is the only thing that touches his pain and relaxes his joints/muscles.

Cannabis raises blood pressure which can cause heart problems, a fact that seems to be ignored.

Any side effects are taken in to consideration by the doctor who prescribes and drug that may cause side effects.

in the first 6 months in Nevada alone the government made $30 million from Tax on cannabis - they could pay for the nhs within a year if they did the same in the UK

Vegas Claret wrote:in the first 6 months in Nevada alone the government made $30 million from Tax on cannabis - they could pay for the nhs within a year if they did the same in the UK

How do you work out that the NHS could be paid for within a year?

South West Claret. wrote:Any side effects are taken in to consideration by the doctor who prescribes and drug that may cause side effects.

And you really think Doctors take account of side effects when prescribing drugs

taio wrote:How do you work out that the NHS could be paid for within a year?

well if Nevada has taken in 30 million in 6 months with only really 2 major cities in the state then you would expect the UK Government to take in considerably more. It was a throw away comment but I would expect the UK Government to be able to take in at least 4-500 million in tax on weed judging by what happens in the US - 500 million would be a considerable contribution per year towards the NHS would you not say ?

Vegas Claret wrote:well if Nevada has taken in 30 million in 6 months with only really 2 major cities in the state then you would expect the UK Government to take in considerably more. It was a throw away comment but I would expect the UK Government to be able to take in at least 4-500 million in tax on weed judging by what happens in the US - 500 million would be a considerable contribution per year towards the NHS would you not say ?

You orginally said NHS could be paid for within a year. You're now saying it could generate enough tax to pay 0.4% of the NHS budget.

taio wrote:You orginally said NHS could be paid for within a year. You're now saying it could generate enough tax to pay 0.4% of the NHS budget.

you are more pedantic than my mum. I said it was a throw away comment, you must have missed that bit

Either way, 500 million is still better than zero - and how do you know that 500 million is 0.4% of the NHS budget ?

Vegas Claret wrote:you are more pedantic than my mum. I said it was a throw away comment, you must have missed that bit

Either way, 500 million is still better than zero - and how do you know that 500 million is 0.4% of the NHS budget ?

Because like many people I know the size of the NHS budget.

Lets not forget the "hidden savings" to the NHS of the over-prescribed harmful drugs that are currently legal yet expensive to prescribe.

Take for example my own personal treatment for a long term chronic illness where cannabis has been massively effective in many clinical trials, almost to the extent of curing my "incurable" illness in the majority of cases. My current treatment costs approximately £2500 every 8 weeks for the chemotherapy type drugs that I have to have just to keep me well (yet mean I have much higher risk of cancer) - this, in my mind, is the large Pharmaceutical Companies "creating" profit from the NHS at the tax payers expense.

The objections to legalising cannabis is likely to be driven by shareholders and stakeholders in these large multinational companies more than their puppet politicians (damn, I'm having a Blue Lab moment here... sorry!).

taio wrote:Because like many people I know the size of the NHS budget.

did you count the costs yourself or do you just believe the figures governments put out ?

Vegas Claret wrote:did you count the costs yourself or do you just believe the figures governments put out ?

I believe the NHS budget to be circa £115,000,000,000 a year. What do you believe it to be?

joey13 wrote:Cannabis raises blood pressure which can cause heart problems, a fact that seems to be ignored.

Yet it's been found to lower blood pressure long term. In fact studies done show it could be a viable replacement for drugs such as beta blockers - which do increase blood pressure.

taio wrote:Because like many people I know the size of the NHS budget.

And unlike most people I know you missed the fact it was a throwaway comment.

HollandsPies wrote:And unlike most people I know you missed the fact it was a throwaway comment.

If you have read our posts and you believe it was just a throwaway comment, fine. I don't. But it's no big deal.

starting_11 wrote:Layabout dope smoker alert!

Yeah because everyone who smokes dope is a layabout lazy fecker, A lot of athletes smoke it and use CBD oils for recovery.

joey13 wrote:Cannabis raises blood pressure which can cause heart problems, a fact that seems to be ignored.

Same as coffee then, pizza is terrible for you to, should we ban that? For me, it's silly we try and control people, if a junkie wants to kill himself on heroin, allow him to do so but make him buy it legally so the economy benefits and not the grimey drug dealers selling it illegally.

Everyone knows there are medical benefits to it but the Tories are probably too worried what the Daily Mail will think so we'll plod on with our archaic drug laws that aren't fit for purpose.

Drugs are bad, Mmkay.

I remember reading that legalising weed would save the country £20 Billion a year. Decriminalising the lot and actually looking after addicts would save many times more than that. Consider the fact that 80% of prison inmates serving sentences for petty offences have addiction problems. People stealing to feed addictions. How much would crime fall by if people didn’t have to steal to feed their addiction? How many fewer people would we have in prison? What would everyone save on insurance? Police work would be greatly reduced, and organised crime stripped of a profit source. It is the single best thing we could do as a country.

Absolutely spot on

taio wrote:I believe the NHS budget to be circa £115,000,000,000 a year. What do you believe it to be?

I don't, it was just a generic question as to where you got your numbers from. Either way, 500 million would still help !

Rick_Muller wrote:Lets not forget the "hidden savings" to the NHS of the over-prescribed harmful drugs that are currently legal yet expensive to prescribe.

Take for example my own personal treatment for a long term chronic illness where cannabis has been massively effective in many clinical trials, almost to the extent of curing my "incurable" illness in the majority of cases. My current treatment costs approximately £2500 every 8 weeks for the chemotherapy type drugs that I have to have just to keep me well (yet mean I have much higher risk of cancer) - this, in my mind, is the large Pharmaceutical Companies "creating" profit from the NHS at the tax payers expense.

The objections to legalising cannabis is likely to be driven by shareholders and stakeholders in these large multinational companies more than their puppet politicians (damn, I'm having a Blue Lab moment here... sorry!).

Your situation sounds virtually identical to mine Rick. Hit the nail on the head for me there.

AndrewJB wrote:You don’t want to see smoking weed legalised because? You feel it’s your business to tell people what they can and can’t do? Nanny state person, that hates anyone else enjoying themselves? Presumably you don’t drink alcohol or coffee - both of which being more toxic than weed - or if you do, how do you justify your hypocrisy?

Smoking it in public, including on the street, shouldn't be legal. Neither should smoking anyway. But I've no problem decriminalising it and allowing people to smoke it in private. And using it in edibles should be legal where ever.

Nowt wrong with a bit o' bud.

4:20 wrote:Nowt wrong with a bit o' bud.

We knew your opinion already

Smoking it in public, including on the street, shouldn't be legal. Neither should smoking anyway.

Why is that? Is it worse for air quality than car exhausts?

Indeed

Imploding Turtle wrote:We knew your opinion already

My baby was born on 4:20

joey13 wrote:And you really think Doctors take account of side effects when prescribing drugs

I know they do.

Oh look, Canada, under the leadership of the strong and sensible Trudeau have just legalised the recreational use of it.

How progressive of them.

It's a bit like discovering tobacco in 2018 and finding it OK to release it to the public.

Anyone that thinks alcohol is OK but cannabis is not OK, is deluded.

If you want to know what drugs do to a place just visit Manchester, the ‘war on drugs’ has certainly been lost there, it gets worse week by week. If you think that legalising all drugs and selling them in every corner shop will decrease the number of drug users then you’re really are deluded. If you think that drug uses are only hurting themselves then you are very wrong. Do you think seriously think children growing up with parents addicted to crack and or heroin is good for them? And if people are seriously comparing a drug addiction, such as being addicted to heroin, to eating pizza then please, please stop this planet because I want to get off!

New Mex is a medical marijuana state. There are specialist doctors that only prescribe it. Certainly, for pain control and pressure related symptoms, it seems to work well.
I've never been a narcotic user but I can't see what the disadvantages are, personally.