Balloon wars

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:09 pm

As I'm sure everyone is aware, the left came up with an idea of an inflatable balloon showing Trump as a baby to be flown right next to parliament during the planned protests if his visit, Khan gleefully accepted this proposal of course.

However, another crowdfund has been made for a "Khan baby" balloon to be flown at the same time, and in just 48 hours 25k has been raised, even without any press bringing attention to it. All very infantile and perhaps a bit tit for tat, but I do wonder if Mr Khan will be quite so in favour of freedom of expression with this balloon as he was with the Trump one.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/giant-sad ... er-london/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

My bet is it won't get permission to fly.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:11 pm

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/07/06/ni ... e-replies/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MG70 · Post by **MG70** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:12 pm

You know he'll be here to ruin the thread, or his mate from west lancs.

MG70 · Post by **MG70** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:13 pm

He beat me to it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:14 pm

MG70 wrote:You know he'll be here to ruin the thread, or his mate from west lancs.

Exactly what could be done to this thread to "ruin" it?

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:15 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote: but I do wonder if Mr Khan will be quite so in favour of freedom of expression with this balloon as he was with the Trump one.

I doubt he'll give a toss. It's the comb-over cry baby who seems to be riddled with insecurities.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:15 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Exactly what could be done to this thread to "ruin" it?

Posting irrelevant tweets by sycophantic blue tick wankers on twitter about a washed up politician who has no relevance what so ever to any of it besides talking about it on LBC.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:16 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Posting irrelevant tweets by sycophantic blue tick wankers on twitter about a washed up politician who has no relevance what so ever to any of it besides talking about it on LBC.

Was it or was it not on topic? The topic being the blimp. (The actual blimp, not Trump)

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:17 pm

Haha. The balloon has got Farage all snowflaky. What a hypocrite.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:19 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:I doubt he'll give a toss. It's the comb-over cry baby who seems to riddled with insecurities.

Well, we'll see if he lets them fly it won't we?

Or perhaps he will get the police to just authorise it instead to save face.

Either way, it won't fly.

Oh well, at least 25k+ will go to charity.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:20 pm

The Trump balloon has triggered a lot of people who are suddenly not that keen on free speech for all.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ ... fake-news/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:20 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Well, we'll see if he lets them fly it won't we?

Or perhaps he will get the police to just authorise it instead to save face.

Either way, it won't fly.

Oh well, at least 25k+ will go to charity.

If i was him i'd let them fly it the following weekend.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:20 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Was it or was it not on topic? The topic being the blimp. (The actual blimp, not Trump)

Loosely I guess.

Farage is a nobody in this fiasco though. Literally no different to Nick Ferrari or JOB

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:21 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:The Trump balloon has triggered a lot of people who are suddenly not that keen on free speech for all.

Did you read about their calls for "civility" in recent weeks? Trying to pretend that's something other than what they called and mocked as "political correctness".

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:23 pm

When starting threads backfire

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:24 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:The Trump balloon has triggered a lot of people who are suddenly not that keen on free speech for all.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ ... fake-news/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nobody has said people shouldnt be allowed to put these things up or say/do whatever they want.

Its just a great many people (with common sense) seem to think that flying a 100ft insulting balloon right next to parliament with Mayoral approval sends out sort of a bad message about our national maturity, not least when the guy in question is head of state of our (once) biggest ally and a potential trade partner.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:25 pm

Yup, they are getting hilarious

But there are a lot of them, with some very strange ideas about what free speech is.

The thing is, as the bloke who crowd funded this thing said, you can't get to Trump by pointing out what a **** he is, because he's got millions of people telling him what he wants to hear.

But a big orange balloon will get to him.

Thats how shallow he is, and the millions who think he's ace go on about it being disrespectful and go on about "fake news"

Mental

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:28 pm

What trade deal with a bloke who shouts "America first in everything" do you think you are going to get CM?

And in case you haven't noticed, Trump has been attacking NATO and the EU again, while again staying strangely silent about Russia.

I draw my own conclusions CM, but you can bet your bottom dollar the same conclusions are being drawn in Berlin, Paris and London, and that they are all making plans to firm up NATO if the US does something daft.

You backed the wrong horse here if you think Trump is going to save the Uk from itself.

Even a committed Brexiteer like yourself can see that events since 2016 over the pond have put the UK in a pretty bad position surely?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:28 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Nobody has said people shouldnt be allowed to put these things up or say/do whatever they want.

Its just a great many people (with common sense) seem to think that flying a 100ft insulting balloon right next to parliament with Mayoral approval sends out sort of a bad message about our national maturity, not least when the guy in question is head of state of our (once) biggest ally and a potential trade partner.

So insulting Trump isn't a good idea because they're our biggest ally and potential trade partner, but running a referendum campaign calling another fairly large set of allies and an actual trade partner as undemocratic oppressors who want to rule over is like dictators is perfectly ok. Got it.

You snowflakes are pathetic.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:30 pm

BTW. Trump literally endorsed a child molester for Senate last year. That's the kind of person who's sensibilities you're scared of offending.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:31 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:What trade deal with a bloke who shouts "America first in everything" do you think you are going to get CM?

And in case you haven't noticed, Trump has been attacking NATO and the EU again, while again staying strangely silent about Russia.

I draw my own conclusions CM, but you can bet your bottom dollar the same conclusions are being drawn in Berlin, Paris and London, and that they are all making plans to firm up NATO if the US does something daft.

You backed the wrong horse here if you think Trump is going to save the Uk from itself.

Literally every country operates an "itself first" policy, nobody negotiates deals with a first world country and intentionally makes themselves worse off just to make the other country feel better. Trade is supposed to be mutually beneficial and good negotiations are supposed to achieve that.

But yeh, I suppose the intelligent thing to when a head of state visits is to create a 100ft infantile balloon and put it in the most symbolic places in UK politics approved by the mayor of the capital itself. I mean that can only be a good thing for foreign relations, can't it?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:33 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Literally every country operates an "itself first" policy, nobody negotiates deals with a first world country and intentionally makes themselves worse off just to make the other country feel better. Trade is supposed to be mutually beneficial and good negotiations are supposed to achieve that.

But yeh, I suppose the intelligent thing to when a head of state visits is to create a 100ft infantile balloon and put it in the most symbolic places in UK politics approved by the mayor of the capital itself. I mean that can only be a good thing for foreign relations, can't it?

So you think trump's trade war isn't about making his voters feel better? You really believe that he's doing it in the best interests of all Americans?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:33 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So insulting Trump isn't a good idea because they're our biggest ally and potential trade partner, but running a referendum campaign calling another fairly large set of allies and an actual trade partner as undemocratic oppressors who want to rule over is like dictators is perfectly ok. Got it.

You snowflakes are pathetic.

The US didn't make laws that govern us, we don't pay for the USA's politicians pensions, the USA couldn't force us to adhere to migrant quotas or force us to do anything really...

But yeah, totally the same thing.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:34 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:The US didn't make laws that govern us, we don't pay for the USA's politicians pensions, the USA couldn't force us to adhere to migrant quotas or force us to do anything really...

But yeah, totally the same thing.

Nothing was/is forced on us by the EU. Do you understand what "veto" means?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:34 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you think trump's trade war isn't about making his voters feel better? You really believe that he's doing it in the best interests of all Americans?

Erm, yes?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:34 pm

We live in a democratic country CM

That is allowed.

You keep forgetting that, and you haven't answered my question at all.

Trump is not going to give us a good deal. We'll be screwed by US firms, which is why in the draft paper tonight we've made enquires about joining TPTP, an agreement that Trump pulled out off.

We are making plans on the assumption that the US is starting a trade war.

Its all there mate, but its in the normal news. You might want to start reading or listening to it again.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:35 pm

Poor, Moffit. He's so upset about this.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:36 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Nothing was/is forced on us by the EU. Do you understand what "veto" means?

We the people can't veto a damn thing because we get NO say on it. If the MEP's don't vote against it in significant number, it doesn't matter if 90% of the UK don't want it, it comes through regardless and there is not a damn thing that we can do about it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:36 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Erm, yes?

How is it that you're this gullible and yet have never eaten dog **** because you were told it was chocolate?

What evidence do you have that Trump gives a **** about those Americans who don't support him?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:36 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:Poor, Moffit. He's so upset about this.

The quality of your posts is next to zero. Just stop.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:38 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:How is it that you're this gullible and yet have never eaten dog **** because you were told it was chocolate?

What evidence do you have that Trump gives a **** about those Americans who don't support him?

How do you know I've never eaten dog ****?

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:38 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:The quality of your posts is next to zero. Just stop.

Maybe you should get yourself down to London and pop the balloon. After all, it's what pricks do.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:40 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:We live in a democratic country CM

That is allowed.

You keep forgetting that, and you haven't answered my question at all.

Trump is not going to give us a good deal. We'll be screwed by US firms, which is why in the draft paper tonight we've made enquires about joining TPTP, an agreement that Trump pulled out off.

We are making plans on the assumption that the US is starting a trade war.

Its all there mate, but its in the normal news. You might want to start reading or listening to it again.

So what do you suggest? That because the US will put it's own interests first (like everyone does) we should not only cut them off as potential trading partners but we should go one further and childishly insult their head of state because it will make the liberal socialites in London giggle?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:40 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:Maybe you should get yourself down to London and pop the balloon. After all, it's what pricks do.

You just bumped yourself up with that post, it was slightly funny.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:40 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:We the people can't veto a damn thing because we get NO say on it. If the MEP's don't vote against it in significant number, it doesn't matter if 90% of the UK don't want it, it comes through regardless and there is not a damn thing that we can do about it.

So you think we have no say on who has the power to veto EU bills? When you say that we "get NO say on it", i'm assuming you're forgetting that we actually do get a fairly significant say in who gets to veto things on our behalf.

I'm curious. When parliament votes on laws in parliament, do you think we "get NO say" on those laws too?

Can i claim that we got no say on things like Universal credit? On NHS privatisation? On tuition fees? If not, why not?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:42 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:So what do you suggest? That because the US will put it's own interests first (like everyone does) we should not only cut them off as potential trading partners but we should go one further and childishly insult their head of state because it will make the liberal socialites in London giggle?

Wait. You think this blimp could result in America cutting us off as potential trade partners? But i thought you just said that Trump isn't doing things simply to make his supporters feel better. So why would he cut us off because of a blimp if he has only got the best interests of the American economic prosperity at heart?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:42 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you think we have no say on who has the power to veto EU bills? When you say that we "get NO say on it", i'm assuming you're forgetting that we actually do get a fairly significant say in who gets to veto things on our behalf.

I'm curious. When parliament votes on laws in parliament, do you think we "get NO say" on those laws too?

Can i claim that we got no say on things like Universal credit? On NHS privatisation? On tuition fees? If not, why not?

The difference is that parliament have to suffer direct consequences of the public if they pass very unpopular laws, that keeps them in check. The EU and their lawmakers are so far away from it all it barely even gets past the column inches in the papers, they have no real repercussions from passing unpopular laws.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:45 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Wait. You think this blimp could result in America cutting us off as potential trade partners? But i thought you just said that Trump isn't doing things simply to make his supporters feel better. So why would he cut us off because of a blimp if he has only got the best interests of the American economic prosperity at heart?

I never said it would make him cut us off, I say that's what the left in this country seem intent on achieving.

Besides, he's clearly an egotistical guy, and a bit of a prick, so chances are he will take it personally and deal with he UK much less favourably in the future. So yeah, I guess on that front the left in this country will have done a sterling job of making our dealings with America for the next 4 years a bit frostier, which can only make our dealings with the EU more difficult too, but I guess that's what they want so it's quite forward thinking really.

You forget I'm not a Trump supporter.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:47 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:The difference is that parliament have to suffer direct consequences of the public if they pass very unpopular laws, that keeps them in check. The EU and their lawmakers are so far away from it all it barely even gets past the column inches in the papers, they have no real repercussions from passing unpopular laws.

You keep forgetting what a veto is, don't you? So ******* what if 90% of us don't want something and EU tries to do it anyway. If it's done with the consent of our government then guess what, they get to suffer those "direct consequences" you were just praising about our democracy.

So what's your problem? You said "direct consequences" make the difference. Well, those direct consequences exist in exactly the same way if they don't veto laws that 90% of us oppose.

Thanks for making my argument for me.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:50 pm

Again,we live in a democracy

If someone is considered sensible enough to be put in charge of the most powerful country in the world, then he should also be mature enough to laugh a balloon.

Plus it is funny, and that is really all that counts.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:55 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You keep forgetting what a veto is, don't you? So ******* what if 90% of us don't want something and EU tries to do it anyway. If it's done with the consent of our government then guess what, they get to suffer those "direct consequences" you were just praising about our democracy.

So what's your problem? You said "direct consequences" make the difference. Well, those direct consequences exist in exactly the same way if they don't veto laws that 90% of us oppose.

Thanks for making my argument for me.

No, thats not how it works.

The further away you take politics away from the common man, the less chance he has of influencing it. When big wigs in the EU commission make laws, regular people hardly even gear about it, so what happens is over time little bits of law they don't like continually get implemented under their nose until one day they realise they are living in a country that they never had any real say in the direction it went.

I (and many other people) want to be governed by one party, then they get all the blame when it goes wrong, and they get kicked out. Its the way politics should work.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:56 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:BTW. Trump literally endorsed a child molester for Senate last year. That's the kind of person who's sensibilities you're scared of offending.

That’s about right for him though isn’t it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:56 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I never said it would make him cut us off, I say that's what the left in this country seem intent on achieving.

Besides, he's clearly an egotistical guy, and a bit of a prick, so chances are he will take it personally and deal with he UK much less favourably in the future. So yeah, I guess on that front the left in this country will have done a sterling job of making our dealings with America for the next 4 years a bit frostier, which can only make our dealings with the EU more difficult too, but I guess that's what they want so it's quite forward thinking really.

You forget I'm not a Trump supporter.

So you think the left are trying to make Trump cut us off by flying a blimp, but you think that Trump only has the best interests of all Americans at heart and therefore would never let something as inconsequential as his own hurt feelings get in the way of him working on behalf of all Americans. But you also think he'll "deal with the UK much less favourably" because of the blimp that will have no effect on how Trump will deal with us.

Oh, and "the left" are doing this not because Trump put babies in jail, or mocked sexual assault victims, or mocked a recently bereaved old man, or a dying US veteran/senator/former PoW, or because he removes children from their immigrant/asylum seeking parents, or because he's trying to deport US citizens, or because he's deporting US military personnel, or because he initially refused to lower the US flag for one particular collection of mass shooting victims, etc, etc (that's all just the last couple of weeks). No, they're doing it because they hate the UK.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:57 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Again,we live in a democracy

If someone is considered sensible enough to be put in charge of the most powerful country in the world, then he should also be mature enough to laugh a balloon.

Plus it is funny, and that is really all that counts.

Well, like I say, if its all about democratic freedom, and freedom to express dissent then I'm sure the powers at be will allow the equal but opposite balloon to be flown too during the Trump visit, right?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you think the left are trying to make Trump cut us off by flying a blimp, but you think that Trump only has the best interests of all Americans at heart and therefore would never let something as inconsequential as his own hurt feelings get in the way of him working on behalf of all Americans. But you also think he'll "deal with the UK much less favourably" because of the blimp that will have no effect on how Trump will deal with us.

Oh, and "the left" are doing this not because Trump put babies in jail, or mocked sexual assault victims, or mocked a recently bereaved old man, or a dying US veteran/senator/former PoW, or because he removes children from their immigrant/asylum seeking parents, or because he's trying to deport US citizens, or because he's deporting US military personnel, or because he initially refused to lower the US flag for one particular collection of mass shooting victims, etc, etc (that's all just the last couple of weeks). No, they're doing it because they hate the UK.

They really do hate the UK though (well more specifically England) you can see that by all the posts on twitter by blue tick leftie journos publicly wishing for England to lose in the world cup. I was driving home the other day from work and had BBC 2 on, and a woman flat out said she wanted England to lose to Columbia because she is disgusted by this country after Brexit and when asked who she wanted to win, she said any European team. That is the level of mentality we are dealing with here.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:02 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:They really do hate the UK though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbzGLdiICk4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:02 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:No, thats not how it works.

The further away you take politics away from the common man, the less chance he has of influencing it. When big wigs in the EU commission make laws, regular people hardly even gear about it, so what happens is over time little bits of law they don't like continually get implemented under their nose until one day they realise they are living in a country that they never had any real say in the direction it went.

I (and many other people) want to be governed by one party, then they get all the blame when it goes wrong, and they get kicked out. Its the way politics should work.

Interesting attitude (ignoring the dribbling rant of the first paragraph). I'm sure most people want to be governed by a party who gets things right so there is no need to blame them for things going wrong.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:04 pm

Its weird is this forum, like 80% on here seem to be left wing and strongly back remain, yet Burnley was 66% leave. Must be the most unrepresentative of the broader values of its supporters fan forum on the internet.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:05 pm

They really do hate the UK though (well more specifically England) you can see that by all the posts on twitter by blue tick leftie journos publicly wishing for England to lose in the world cup. I was driving home the other day from work and had BBC 2 on, and a woman flat out said she wanted England to lose to Columbia because she is disgusted by this country after Brexit and when asked who she wanted to win, she said any European team. That is the level of mentality we are dealing with here.

Christ. I really thought you were above this kind of ****.

Radio 2 ffs

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:06 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Its weird is this forum, like 80% on here seem to be left wing and strongly back remain, yet Burnley was 66% leave. Must be the most unrepresentative of the broader values of its supporters fan forum on the internet.

You do realise that a lot of posters on this board don't live in Burnley don't you? Some of them do leave little clues on their user names.