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SmudgetheClaret wrote:The 17.4 million will simply accept this and carry carry on voting red or blue ...not
yTib wrote:we certainly don't need a trump.
we just need to face up to a hard cut-off rather than this writhing around version.
if the turkeys have voted for christmas then for god's sake give it to them.
Just because we're on the same side doesn't mean it's for the same reasons. But it makes me laugh that you think that tactic would work. Also, you're siding with Putin. So...SmudgetheClaret wrote:What’s hilarious is the left siding with the large corporations....
If this forces a leadership contest among the Tories it won't be to replace may with another Remain supporter. So i don't see UKIP getting all that many votes from the Tories in an election following a leadership change.bfcjg wrote:I am now even more convinced it won't happen. The Tories will have a leadership competition an election will be called,UKIP will take Tory votes the liberals will get lots of seats hold the balance of power do a deal with labour and there will be another referendum .
esther mcvey might have some spare time coming up.Billy Balfour wrote:BTW: Who is the leader of UKIP this week?
RingoBilly Balfour wrote:BTW: Who is the leader of UKIP this week?
yTib wrote:ukip are dead and nigel farage has realised what he has done.
when we actually leave and the shyte really hits the fan i expect he'll claim asylum in trump tower.
The Liberals will get lots of seats? Are they buying season tickets? Heaven save us from that few.bfcjg wrote:I am now even more convinced it won't happen. The Tories will have a leadership competition an election will be called,UKIP will take Tory votes the liberals will get lots of seats hold the balance of power do a deal with labour and there will be another referendum .
Just how will the shite really hit the fan? Are you some sort of expert on economics, trade and industry and business, and an all round political genius?yTib wrote:ukip are dead and nigel farage has realised what he has done.
when we actually leave and the shyte really hits the fan i expect he'll claim asylum in trump tower.
Even if he was an expert you'd ignore him. So why bother asking?Stayingup wrote:Just how will the shite really hit the fan? Are you some sort of expert on economics, industry, and an all round political genius?
all of those things sonny.Stayingup wrote:Just how will the shite really hit the fan? Are you some sort of expert on economics, trade and industry, and an all round political genius?
Did anyone ask for your warped opion?Imploding Turtle wrote:Even if he was an expert you'd ignore him. So why bother asking?
After Chequers May will win any leadership contest hands down.bfcjg wrote:I am now even more convinced it won't happen. The Tories will have a leadership competition an election will be called,UKIP will take Tory votes the liberals will get lots of seats hold the balance of power do a deal with labour and there will be another referendum .
bfcjg wrote:A friend has just come back from a month in Poland and the far right in that country and nearby countries such as Hungry are gaining more and more influence. Populist right wing parties across Europe are gaining strength eventually they will take control of the EU parliament then God help us. I want out to ensure we cannot be dictated to by the likes of the Italian president.
Do you actually know what you are talking about?bfcjg wrote:A friend has just come back from a month in Poland and the far right in that country and nearby countries such as Hungry are gaining more and more influence. Populist right wing parties across Europe are gaining strength eventually they will take control of the EU parliament then God help us. I want out to ensure we cannot be dictated to by the likes of the Italian president.
Stayingup wrote:Do you actually know what you are talking about?
Why do you think the so called right is gaining influence? Perhaps it's because the Liberal elites have let the populous down - as they have throughout Europe and elsewhere and hence in the USA Trumpism
Well, at least you're self-aware.Caballo wrote:That's the trouble the Internet Dante. If you're a bit of d1ck in real life you become a complete weapon on it.
Dante.El.Chunk wrote:Watching the incessant bickering is really making me consider my future on this board. Plenty of hot topics have come up that I have a view on but time and time again I look at trolls/ idiots/ people debating without knowledge and so I don't really bother. It's not just this site either. Does everyone realise that we are literally begging for internet passports right now? Theee is no other way to get people to act reasonably to one another online. Of course the black mirror episode with the bees is another way............
You're nothing if not predictable.Imploding Turtle wrote:Well, at least you're self-aware.
".....The Democratic Party, which helped build our system of inverted totalitarianism, is once again held up by many on the left as the savior. Yet the party steadfastly refuses to address the social inequality that led to the election of Trump and the insurgency by Bernie Sanders. It is deaf, dumb and blind to the very real economic suffering that plagues over half the country. It will not fight to pay workers a living wage.
It will not defy the pharmaceutical and insurance industries to provide Medicare for all. It will not curb the voracious appetite of the military that is disembowelling the country and promoting the prosecution of futile and costly foreign wars. It will not restore our lost civil liberties, including the right to privacy, freedom from government surveillance, and due process. It will not get corporate and dark money out of politics.
It will not demilitarize our police and reform a prison system that has 25 percent of the world’s prisoners although the United States has only 5 percent of the world’s population. It plays to the margins, especially in election seasons, refusing to address substantive political and social problems and instead focusing on narrow cultural issues like gay rights, abortion and gun control in our peculiar species of anti-politics.
This is a doomed tactic, but one that is understandable. The leadership of the party, the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Tom Perez, are creations of corporate America. In an open and democratic political process, one not dominated by party elites and corporate money, these people would not hold political power. They know this.
They would rather implode the entire system than give up their positions of privilege. And that, I fear, is what will happen. The idea that the Democratic Party is in any way a bulwark against despotism defies the last three decades of its political activity. It is the guarantor of despotism.
Trump has tapped into the hatred that huge segments of the American public have for a political and economic system that has betrayed them. He may be inept, degenerate, dishonest and a narcissist, but he adeptly ridicules the system they despise. His cruel and demeaning taunts directed at government agencies, laws and the established elites resonate with people for whom these agencies, laws and elites have become hostile forces. And for many who see no shift in the political landscape to alleviate their suffering, Trump’s cruelty and invective are at least cathartic.....
But the warnings from the architects of our failed democracy against creeping fascism, Madeleine Albright among them, are risible. They show how disconnected the elites have become from the zeitgeist. None of these elites has credibility. They built the edifice of lies, deceit and corporate pillage that made Trump possible. And the more Trump demeans these elites, and the more they cry out like Cassandras, the more he salvages his disastrous presidency and enables the kleptocrats pillaging the country as it swiftly disintegrates.....
All the harbingers of collapse are visible: crumbling infrastructure; chronic underemployment and unemployment; the indiscriminate use of lethal force by police; political paralysis and stagnation; an economy built on the scaffolding of debt; nihilistic mass shootings in schools, universities, workplaces, malls, concert venues and movie theaters; opioid overdoses that kill some 64,000 people a year; an epidemic of suicides; unsustainable military expansion; gambling as a desperate tool of economic development and government revenue; the capture of power by a tiny, corrupt clique; censorship; the physical diminishing of public institutions ranging from schools and libraries to courts and medical facilities; the incessant bombardment by electronic hallucinations to divert us from the depressing sight that has become America and keep us trapped in illusions.
We suffer the usual pathologies of impending death. I would be happy to be wrong. But I have seen this before. I know the warning signs.
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Not able to take a joke either.Caballo wrote:You're nothing if not predictable.
SmudgetheClaret wrote:Turtle I’ve heard it all now the justification for the left supporting the large corporations is at least we arnt siding with Putin ?? really well I’m off to order vodka with a Novichok chaser ..
In the event of yet another General Election both major parties will hold their bases,where the centrist voters go is a valid question,the Liberals won't gain any seats,the Liberal Democrats on the other hand will make modest gains and potentially could hold sway along with the SNP and other parties.bfcjg wrote:I am now even more convinced it won't happen. The Tories will have a leadership competition an election will be called,UKIP will take Tory votes the liberals will get lots of seats hold the balance of power do a deal with labour and there will be another referendum .
SmudgetheClaret wrote:Big business want to stay in the EU or in other words the 1% that socialist detest but yet the left also want to stay in the EU I ain’t making anything up it’s a FACT ...
SmudgetheClaret wrote:Your struggling turtle and I don’t know why you have to call me the names you do I don’t call you **** do I ? smells like desperation ...
On a thread regarding ‘quotes your Mrs/women have said’ you wedged in a racist comment you mean. The second paragraph totally contradicts the crap you wrote when banned.Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:I quoted the racist remarks about grooming gangs by Sarah Champion and was banned for a week for a racist post, even though it was a direct quote from the Daily Express.
There's no point commenting on a board when even the mods are idiots.
It's a shame but real Burnley fans have nowhere to go online to discuss football and just football without all this witless, right-wing crap.
You're extremely naive if you think the EU don't dictate to us.Imploding Turtle wrote:The EU doesn't dictate a thing. All member nations get to vote and they all get to veto. No amount of far-right countries in the EU can dictate anything to us if we refuse to let them. In which case they'll either all leave, or kick us out if we're the only non-extreme far-right country involved. So what are you worried about again? Or are you just concern trolling?
