Yesterday's events have made a General Election in 2018 more likely.

Obviously this ad hoc polling and doesn't take into account probable candidates for your seat,but if such a scenario comes to pass,who will get your cross in the box.

I will currently stick with the Conservatives,but as they have little chance of winning my SNP/Labour battleground constituency,i might lend Labour my vote to attempt to unseat the sitting SNP MP,depends how the campaigning goes,equally i may spoil my ballot,i've only done that once in 2005.

easier to decide who you won't vote for these days.

and then you realise you've run out of options.

Bob Servant, Independent.

I can honestly say that I have never felt as disenfranchised as I do at the moment. I could never vote for the Tories, but cannot contemplate a government led by Corbyn.

No one....politics in this country has become a shambles,especially when some one like May is our head honcho.

Genuinely

**** knows

Need to know how they plan to deal with this shitstorm, but I don't trust Corbyn or McDonnell. And I don't trust Davis, Gove or Johnson either.

Sir Vince surely ?

Maybe bring that knob Cameron back to answer the questions ....he started this shite!

Danny Dyer

Anyone but the current shower who are slowly crippling our country.

Donald Trump: he's the only person, who would make Britain great again.

Sir Vince..?..

Ffs.. he has no chance thank God.

Depends what the options and the policies are. Clearly I have a default position but this is no time for knee-jerk, "I'll vote for who I always vote for..." or "I could never vote for..." In fact, uttering one of those should see you disenfranchised permanently.

Julie Cooper.

Chobulous wrote:I can honestly say that I have never felt as disenfranchised as I do at the moment. I could never vote for the Tories, but cannot contemplate a government led by Corbyn.

I never understand comments such as “I could never vote for”. I know many do feel this way but it seems silly to me.

Bill Oddie.

randomclaret2 wrote:Sir Vince surely ?

A small selection of Vince's that I'd be more likely to vote for.

DCWat wrote:I never understand comments such as “I could never vote for”. I know many do feel this way but it seems silly to me.

I could never vote for them because in the 64 years that I have been alive they have never put forward any policy that benefited the working classes more that they benefited the classes that they feel they more naturally represent, and I don't believe that they ever will. Is that clear enough for you.

Could never vote Tory and could never vote for a socialist either. Would be nice to have a genuine Centrist party to vote for.

I’d vote for labour, mainly because it will be well interesting for a few years.

The party that promises to put a "None of the Above" box on the ballot slips to encourage a better standard of candidate.

...... but that is never going to happen.

Cheers for all the nominations for Vince, but up in Lancaster and Wyre its a straight fight between the loons of the left and the unhinged morons of the right.

Might do one of those tactical voting thingys where I vote Lab and someone down south votes Lib Dem

Inchy wrote:I’d vote for labour, mainly because it will be well interesting for a few years.

If you want that kind of interesting, Manchester - Caracas is only about £500. Why wait?

Like many others I'll be returning to the Labour party after 20 years of not bothering to choose between the 3 tory parties on offer.


I'm far from being alone. Not everyone has been brainwashed about the evils of socialism.....the result may raise eyebrows...the last election showed clearly how close Labour now is and will have galvanised more support for the next one.

However there's absolutely no way the tories will allow an election until they have no choice...they're really not that stupid.

DCWat wrote:I never understand comments such as “I could never vote for”. I know many do feel this way but it seems silly to me.

When you have seen how the Tories have treated the working class in this country every time they are in power as often as I have it's very easy to say never. My default position is Labour but I even gave up on them for a while after Blair's warmongering on lies. I waited until he was gone.

fatboy47 wrote:
I'm far from being alone. Not everyone has been brainwashed about the evils of socialism......

The people in that beacon of socialist utopia, Venezuela, probably wish they had been.

We have never before, in my opinion, had two such unelectable parties. The Tories love to tear themselves apart over Europe, last time they did it New Labour was invented to step in. And the Labour party has never before been led by such a bunch of blinkered, incompetent not to mention pretty unpleasant misfits.

Who do you want to win in next year's Blackburn v Leeds game?

houseboy wrote:When you have seen how the Tories have treated the working class in this country every time they are in power as often as I have it's very easy to say never. My default position is Labour but I even gave up on them for a while after Blair's warmongering on lies. I waited until he was gone.

The Labour party has changed beyond recognition Houseboy.

I don't know which party despises the working class the most

Chobulous wrote:I could never vote for them because in the 64 years that I have been alive they have never put forward any policy that benefited the working classes more that they benefited the classes that they feel they more naturally represent, and I don't believe that they ever will. Is that clear enough for you.

Where is the handbag icon!?

There won't be a general election till the end of current parliamentary term. If there was same as last time

If there is a leadership challenge, and its successful, with all that is going on it would be completely unrealistic to try to run the country without a mandate.

If May is seen as weak, just how weak will the new bod be?

I'm not so sure about that Lancs.

A new bod would have to go some to appear weak in the context

Guich wrote:The people in that beacon of socialist utopia, Venezuela, probably wish they had been.

We have never before, in my opinion, had two such unelectable parties. The Tories love to tear themselves apart over Europe, last time they did it New Labour was invented to step in. And the Labour party has never before been led by such a bunch of blinkered, incompetent not to mention pretty unpleasant misfits.

Who do you want to win in next year's Blackburn v Leeds game?

Some people might think it would be like being asked to vote for Ringo or Imploding Turtle

The Turtle would get my vote as the lesser of two evils

I don't feel particularly represented by any of the parties at the minute but I guess I'd have to go ukip.

Captain Birdseye

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I don't feel particularly represented by any of the parties at the minute but I guess I'd have to go ukip.

No surprise there - they have just signed up a bunch of your alt-right heroes.

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The party that occupies the centre ground, has a sensible centrist/centre left policy offering, and which offers the best current option on Brexit, i.e. to have another referendum now we've all seen how utterly impossible the exit process is.

So that would be the Lib Dems then.

Clearly, no one is going to vote for them who wants Brexit (which remains a perfectly reasonable view to hold, even if I fundamentally disagree with it), but I do find it odd that so many people who lament the fact that the Tories are in hoc to their right wing, and equally lament the fact that Corbyn and his fanatics are in charge in the Labour party, appear unwilling to vote for the Lib Dems as a sensible, viable alternative.

You'll get a load of people going "tuition fees" at you Spice.

Sean Dyche, he'd sort things out.

Perhaps. But its a long time ago now (8 years) and the last 3 years have done plenty to cast that particular government in a better light, whilst other parties have been breaking plenty of promises of their own.

I understand why tuition fees were so emotive, but its odd for one policy a junior coalition party was forced to ditch by the senior party of government, to trump the fact that they're the only one of the 3 main UK-wide Westminster parties that currently has a sane, moderate agenda.

Chobulous wrote:I could never vote for them because in the 64 years that I have been alive they have never put forward any policy that benefited the working classes more that they benefited the classes that they feel they more naturally represent, and I don't believe that they ever will. Is that clear enough for you.

To be fair, it doesn't answer the question

Let's speculate May steps aside, followed by a general election and Conservatives win again (irrelevant who is leader). That would surely would also finish the leadership careers of Vince Cable and Jeremy Corbyn? So all 3 current leaders gone.

However, which Conservative would have the popular touch to win a general election? Boris? Lord Snooty? Certainly not Gove.


Edited because of bl@@dy predictive text!

TVC15 wrote:Danny Dyer

Frighteningly, that's the most viable option on the thread.

I've never understood how, or why, people vote for the same party at elections.

It's time we voted someone else into power, just not UKIP.

The two usual suspects have shown they aren't up to the job and it's just an endless cycle of bickering, finger pointing and aggravation.

If we end up with yet another election in a short space of time I'll give my vote to a smaller party.

It would probably be the lowest turn out ever.

I wonder if Farage regrets quitting? He might have stood a chance of causing some panic in an election now.

claretspice wrote:Perhaps. But its a long time ago now (8 years) and the last 3 years have done plenty to cast that particular government in a better light, whilst other parties have been breaking plenty of promises of their own.

I understand why tuition fees were so emotive, but its odd for one policy a junior coalition party was forced to ditch by the senior party of government, to trump the fact that they're the only one of the 3 main UK-wide Westminster parties that currently has a sane, moderate agenda.

I agree.

But I think the LibDems will generally miss out, and particularly now, because half the electorate doesn't like the Tories and the other half is terrified by the prospect of a Corbyn administration. So the negative energy outstrips the positive.

If people though the Libs had a real chance of winning 100plus seats they'd get some momentum

claretspice wrote:The party that occupies the centre ground, has a sensible centrist/centre left policy offering, and which offers the best current option on Brexit, i.e. to have another referendum now we've all seen how utterly impossible the exit process is.

So that would be the Lib Dems then.

Clearly, no one is going to vote for them who wants Brexit (which remains a perfectly reasonable view to hold, even if I fundamentally disagree with it), but I do find it odd that so many people who lament the fact that the Tories are in hoc to their right wing, and equally lament the fact that Corbyn and his fanatics are in charge in the Labour party, appear unwilling to vote for the Lib Dems as a sensible, viable alternative.

I can tell you in two words why more people do not vote Lib Dem. Proportional representation. Or more accurately, lack of it.

In Pendle you might as well throw your ballot slip directly in the dustbin if you want to vote Lib Dem.

walter the softy wrote:I can tell you in two words why more people do not vote Lib Dem. Proportional representation. Or more accurately, lack of it.

In Pendle you might as well throw your ballot slip directly in the dustbin if you want to vote Lib Dem.

Fair point in some seats.

Not in others though. Lib Dems have already showed once that Burnley can be won, for instance (and it was a pretty good 5 year period for the town in terms of getting inward investment from government).

claretspice wrote:The party that occupies the centre ground, has a sensible centrist/centre left policy offering, and which offers the best current option on Brexit, i.e. to have another referendum now we've all seen how utterly impossible the exit process is.

So that would be the Lib Dems then.

Clearly, no one is going to vote for them who wants Brexit (which remains a perfectly reasonable view to hold, even if I fundamentally disagree with it), but I do find it odd that so many people who lament the fact that the Tories are in hoc to their right wing, and equally lament the fact that Corbyn and his fanatics are in charge in the Labour party, appear unwilling to vote for the Lib Dems as a sensible, viable alternative.

Their last leader was a homophobe, which probably didn't help considering that's not a very liberal stance to hold.

Anyone but Boris

#ABB

claretspice wrote:Fair point in some seats.

Not in others though. Lib Dems have already showed once that Burnley can be won, for instance (and it was a pretty good 5 year period for the town in terms of getting inward investment from government).

I'm in Ribble Valley where even after the clown show of the last 3 years the Tories will still get 50% of the vote. I'll be voting Lib Dem for all the good it does, but FPTP is the biggest barrier to genuine democracy in this country unfortunately.