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Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:26 pm
by bfcmik
It really gets my goat (pretty easy do do these days, sadly) when posters call the football team from Nottingham: Forrest. Even their own club website calls them Nottingham Forest. https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/

Where on earth did this urban myth about it being double 'rr' come from? Or did someone hear somebody from darkest Rossendale saying they were going to the 'Forrrrrest game'?

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:57 pm
by Cirrus_Minor
Best way to wind them up is to call them Notts Forest. ;)

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:21 pm
by Goody1975
Cirrus_Minor wrote:Best way to wind them up is to call them Notts Forest. ;)
I think you mean Notts Forrest and Rowls will be along shortly to confirm it really does get their backs up.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:21 pm
by thatdberight
bfcmik wrote:It really gets my goat (pretty easy do do these days, sadly) when posters call the football team from Nottingham: Forrest. Even their own club website calls them Nottingham Forest. https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/

Where on earth did this urban myth about it being double 'rr' come from? Or did someone hear somebody from darkest Rossendale saying they were going to the 'Forrrrrest game'?
Why would 'forest' be excluded from the almost all-encompassing list of words that are misspelled on here?

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:28 pm
by duncandisorderly
It really gets my goat when people say 'it gets my goat' about stuff they don't understand!

Rather.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:41 pm
by tiger76
Thought this was a thread about the Celtic winger signing for us :( to see it is not.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:51 pm
by tim_noone
Wood or woods?

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:12 pm
by dsr
Cirrus_Minor wrote:Best way to wind them up is to call them Notts Forest. ;)
I agree. Notts Forest fans swear blind that their short name is Nottm, but they haven't the foggiest idea how it should be pronounced.

"Notts Forest" is just an egregious an abbreviation as their fellow midland clubs, Wolves and West Brom. If their fans insisted that they should be pronounced "Wolvm" and "Brmch", I think they would be successfully ignored.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:47 am
by ClaretTony
Goody1975 wrote:Rowls will be along shortly to confirm it really does get their backs up.
A few years ago they complained to our club because we'd put NOTTS FOREST on the next match board by the traffic lights. To be fair, you would expect one club to get another club's name correct.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:56 am
by dsr
ClaretTony wrote:A few years ago they complained to our club because we'd put NOTTS FOREST on the next match board by the traffic lights. To be fair, you would expect one club to get another club's name correct.
You're right. I've seen Man United and Man City up there as well. Just as bad IMO. Or just as trivial.

If Notts Forest want to change their name to Nottm Forest, they're perfectly entitled to. They have chosen not to. Maybe next time they come (if there is a next time) we ought to put the full name "Nottingham Forest" in tiny, barely legible, letters, just so it fits in. :roll:

But seriously, why are they so precious about their unpronounceable short form? I remember yonks back on Match of the Day, Jimmy Hill made a grovelling apology for using the words Notts Forest (after someone complained). Are they really so concerned that people won't know the difference between them and Notts County?

How exactly should "Nottm" be pronounced?

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:13 am
by Damo
Amazing what upsets people these days.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:20 am
by Vino blanco
Bit of trivia for you, Nottinham was originally known as Snottingham, after a Saxon leader called Snot.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:09 am
by ClaretTony
dsr wrote:You're right. I've seen Man United and Man City up there as well. Just as bad IMO. Or just as trivial.

If Notts Forest want to change their name to Nottm Forest, they're perfectly entitled to. They have chosen not to. Maybe next time they come (if there is a next time) we ought to put the full name "Nottingham Forest" in tiny, barely legible, letters, just so it fits in. :roll:

But seriously, why are they so precious about their unpronounceable short form? I remember yonks back on Match of the Day, Jimmy Hill made a grovelling apology for using the words Notts Forest (after someone complained). Are they really so concerned that people won't know the difference between them and Notts County?

How exactly should "Nottm" be pronounced?
Man City & Man United are acceptable abbreviations. As for the two Nottingham clubs, one is Notts and the other is Nottingham which can be abbreviated to Nottm. If you were in the city and referred to Notts, it is assumed you are talking about Notts County. They aren't and have never been Notts Forest.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:42 am
by dsr
ClaretTony wrote:Man City & Man United are acceptable abbreviations. As for the two Nottingham clubs, one is Notts and the other is Nottingham which can be abbreviated to Nottm. If you were in the city and referred to Notts, it is assumed you are talking about Notts County. They aren't and have never been Notts Forest.
Who defines what is acceptable? If Blackburn Rovers fans say they don't want to be called B*****d Rovers, would we stop?

How do you pronounce Nottm?

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:57 am
by thatdberight
dsr wrote:Who defines what is acceptable? If Blackburn Rovers fans say they don't want to be called B*****d Rovers, would we stop?

How do you pronounce Nottm?
How do you pronounce, "Mr." or "Dr."? Is an abbreviation a new concept to you?

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:59 am
by Rowls
dsr wrote:How exactly should "Nottm" be pronounced?
They all pronounce in Notinum anyway so it's easy to see why they're misspelling it too.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:05 pm
by Tall Paul
dsr wrote:How do you pronounce Nottm?
Not-ing-am

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:11 pm
by thatdberight
Rowls wrote:They all pronounce in Notinum anyway so it's easy to see why they're misspelling it too.
Dottingham.

Second class return.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:30 pm
by dsr
thatdberight wrote:How do you pronounce, "Mr." or "Dr."? Is an abbreviation a new concept to you?
Mr and Dr are abbreviations to shorten the written form, not the verbal form. Notts Forest is an abbreviation to shorten the verbal form.

Do you think an aggressively sarcastic rhetorical question is a good way to finish a post and keep this board friendly? Personally, I often find that when I have written a post, it's a good idea to delete my last sentence because I have already made my point.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:40 pm
by Lord Beamish
dsr wrote:Mr and Dr are abbreviations to shorten the written form, not the verbal form. Notts Forest is an abbreviation to shorten the verbal form.

Do you think an aggressively sarcastic rhetorical question is a good way to finish a post and keep this board friendly? Personally, I often find that when I have written a post, it's a good idea to delete my last sentence because I have already made my point.
Notts is the abbreviation for Nottinghamshire, Nottm for Nottingham.
Notts County’s full name is Nottinghamshire County Football Club. Forest’s is Nottingham Forest Football Club.

I’d guess that you pronounce Nottm, Nottingham.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:50 pm
by thatdberight
dsr wrote:Mr and Dr are abbreviations to shorten the written form, not the verbal form. Notts Forest is an abbreviation to shorten the verbal form.

Do you think an aggressively sarcastic rhetorical question is a good way to finish a post and keep this board friendly? Personally, I often find that when I have written a post, it's a good idea to delete my last sentence because I have already made my point.
Notts is an abbreviation for Nottinghamshire. It's got nothing to do with Nottingham Forest, verbally or in writing. Nott'm (often Nottm) is an abbreviation for Nottingham. Just like So'ton (often Soton) is for Southampton.

There was another example but I deleted it as it was my last sentence :)

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:29 pm
by ClaretTony
dsr wrote:Who defines what is acceptable? If Blackburn Rovers fans say they don't want to be called B*****d Rovers, would we stop?

How do you pronounce Nottm?
Pathetic response - and who cares how they pronounce it, NOTTINGHAM (not Notts) FOREST is the correct name of the club.

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:13 pm
by COYC73
It’s all Gump’s fault....

Re: Forrest? Or Forest

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:28 pm
by tim_noone
thatdberight wrote:Dottingham.

Second class return.
Tuuuuuuuunnes :?