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Is deadline day the start of the season now?

scouseclaret wrote:Is deadline day the start of the season now?

the thursday before the season starts, 4 weeks today.

Wow never knew that. Its good news. Although probably not for us!

Article says SD thinks we may break our record of 15million but nothing certain presently in

Next week

Or the week after.

Reading between the lines he is having a small go at board. If don't get at least 1 cb this time we will be pushing our luck. Got away with it massively last season. £5m or so is peanuts and it really is not worth pissin about over.

summitclaret wrote:Reading between the lines he is having a small go at board. If don't get at least 1 cb this time we will be pushing our luck. Got away with it massively last season. £5m or so is peanuts and it really is not worth pissin about over.

Maybe read the lines. He’s not having a go at anybody just stating the obvious.

Can totally understand his frustration. It would be lovely to throw money everywhere and get deals done, but then you create risks that in most cases, especially a club where the money aspect is extremely important, aren't worth taking.

Slow news day, space filling article that says nothing really.

I have. Read them again.

summitclaret wrote:Reading between the lines he is having a small go at board. If don't get at least 1 cb this time we will be pushing our luck. Got away with it massively last season. £5m or so is peanuts and it really is not worth pissin about over.

He digs at the board every summer, maybe not the board but the ones in charge of transfers. He never quite seems content with the transfer side of things, I don't know if it's how slow things move or the budget offered but he says similar every season.

Id be reticent about "having a dig " at an employer paying me £3.5 million a year

He can more or less do what he likes. Whoever is blocking us getting what we need again needs telling.

We are mee not signing an extension and someone meeting tarks's 'can talk to' figure away from a crisis. If either happen we really will have to pay over the odds for the replacement. If there is time to get one.

It really needs a starter cb in quickly even if we have to pay say £5m over the odds.

summitclaret wrote:We are mee not signing an extension and someone meeting tarks's 'can talk to' figure away from a crisis. If either happen we really will have to pay over the odds for the replacement. If there is time to get one.

It really needs a starter cb in quickly even if we have to pay say £5m over the odds.

Even if that's 50% over the valuation we have of a player?

Foshiznik wrote:Even if that's 50% over the valuation we have of a player?

Think this is something people don't take into account enough when looking at transfers.

No and if we are still offering so much less than wr should have moved on weeks ago. Me thinks the club is still being run like it had to be when we were skint.

summitclaret wrote:We are mee not signing an extension and someone meeting tarks's 'can talk to' figure away from a crisis. If either happen we really will have to pay over the odds for the replacement. If there is time to get one.

It really needs a starter cb in quickly even if we have to pay say £5m over the odds.

Eh.

It's that time of year again, folks.

summitclaret wrote:No and if we are still offering so much less than wr should have moved on weeks ago. Me thinks the club is still being run like it had to be when we were skint.

Or we are realistic in our valuations and the selling club is deluded, but the player is interested, fits our wage structure and the gaffer thinks the player's personality matches the rest of the lads, so doesn't want to give up as easily as some want on here.

This isn't Football Manager or FIFA.

Read what he has said. He clearly thinks the board need to be more flexible and he is right to think that.

I've read it and he has said that there needs to be a balance in that flexibility, which is something that has been missed by yourselves.

It's obvious he's frustrated, as we all are, but he's also realistic. He knows the values that matter to the club are the right ones, to break our self imposed guide lines would be the start of a slippery slope.
SD has spent more money, than all our other managers have in history, lumped together, and he spent next to nowt for his first year. I'm sure the board have never said to him No you can't have that player. He just appreciates what the board is maintaining.

He'll show the doubters. Have patience and remember this very well run club will not be ripped off.

No one is doubting Sean. Just backing him. His achievements mean he can be bolder with our over careful Board. Just give WBA £20m. No need to tell anyone what you paid. No one will give one. Just remove the risk.

Transfer business is slow everywhere.. Even for little ol Blackburn rovers.. Nobody wants to overpay for players.

Japebe43 wrote:Transfer business is slow everywhere.. Even for little ol Blackburn rovers.. Nobody wants to overpay for players.

We have to accept that in this modern era, transfer fees are inflated. It’s the market we now operate in. We either get on with it, or go back to being a middling Championship club. It’s our choice. The PL pays us obscene amounts of money to contribute to the brand.

Fulham have signed Seri and Marchand for a combined £30M from Nice. The players are out there, but it’s our choosing to try and mitigate risk by focusing pretty much entirely on UK based players.

Dyche wants a certain type of player, which is fine, but this comes at a cost. Our shortlist is limited, our transfer activity is slow, we don’t benefit from having players for a full pre season, and the price we pay may not necessarily result in value for money.

Dawson is leaving WBA. Dyche wants Dawson. WBA are about to sign a replacement in Bartley.
Window still open. Keep calm and drink heavily guys.

And West ham ?

TsarBomba wrote:We have to accept that in this modern era, transfer fees are inflated. It’s the market we now operate in. We either get on with it, or go back to being a middling Championship club. It’s our choice. The PL pays us obscene amounts of money to contribute to the brand.

Fulham have signed Seri and Marchand for a combined £30M from Nice. The players are out there, but it’s our choosing to try and mitigate risk by focusing pretty much entirely on UK based players.

Dyche wants a certain type of player, which is fine, but this comes at a cost. Our shortlist is limited, our transfer activity is slow, we don’t benefit from having players for a full pre season, and the price we pay may not necessarily result in value for money.

Little old Fulham are funded by the guy wanting to buy Wembley. It's pocket money to him. We don't compete with Fulham, or anyone else. We compete with ourselves and do what is right for Burnley. That sad backward view had us finishing 7th last year, who'd have believed it. If you haven't realised yet, after 5 years of outstanding success, that the club knows what it is doing, it's time to give your head a shake

IMO 25m for jayrod and Dawson is a more than fair offer.. Just my tuppeneth..

piston broke wrote:Dawson is leaving WBA. Dyche wants Dawson. WBA are about to sign a replacement in Bartley.
Window still open. Keep calm and drink gheavily guys.

Dawson is hardly a ‘marquee’ signing.

Colburn_Claret wrote:Little old Fulham are funded by the guy wanting to buy Wembley. It's pocket money to him. We don't compete with Fulham, or anyone else. We compete with ourselves and do what is right for Burnley. That sad backward view had us finishing 7th last year, who'd have believed it. If you haven't realised yet, after 5 years of outstanding success, that the club knows what it is doing, it's time to give your head a shake

Where have you read that I’m unhappy with our approach? I’m not, so no, I don’t need to give my head a shake.

dermotdermot wrote:Dawson is hardly a ‘marquee’ signing.

I never said he was but if he’s a penny over £15m he’s a record signing.
The marquee signing could be news to all of us?

summitclaret wrote:Reading between the lines he is having a small go at board.

Really not the case at all

summitclaret wrote:No one is doubting Sean. Just backing him. His achievements mean he can be bolder with our over careful Board. Just give WBA £20m. No need to tell anyone what you paid. No one will give one. Just remove the risk.

This is true. We could spend an extra £5m and get Dawson, and an extra £5m and get Rodriguez, and for an extra £5m we could have had Lansbury, and for another £5m each we could have had Wood and Brady and Defour and Hendrick (OK, I know we did get them, but we could have had them sooner) - in fact we can keep on spending these extra £5ms until the pot runs dry.

But here's a problem. When it becomes known that the selling club needs only to hold out andf Burnley will cough up an extra £5m no questions asked, what will it make them do? Will they immediately say "we'll sell him now", or will they add a few extra million to the price?

Dawson at best is worth 8 m . Wba can keep him .

Welcome Craig, Welcome back Jay x

As is bleeding obvious, i don't think we should always pay £5m extra normally. When we have had well over a year to find a cb and we have 4 weeks left to find one, then we are going to have no choice but to fork out. Its our own fault for ******* around.

Mee won't sign and tarks will be in big demand. We are playing with fire again

Amd i can read what sean has said and not being a happy clapper am getting concerned.

summitclaret wrote:Mee won't sign and tarks will be in big demand. We are playing with fire again.

Yes, again. Last year we went through all this, and look what happened. It's vital that the events of the last twelve months aren't repeated.

Why are you so certain that Dawson can be signed for £5m but there is no amount of money that will make Mee sign? Do you have actual knowledge, or is it just natural pessimism that the mistakes of last season will be repeated this season?

summitclaret wrote: Mee won't sign and tarks will be in big demand. We are playing with fire again.

You are criticising the club for ******* about in the transfer market, we should be throwing an extra £5m at targets to get them in, especially with just 4 weeks to go?

Then you state “Tarky will be in big demand” so this big demand is going to happen when? The last 4 weeks of the window? Oh but that would be bad planning by the club demanding him, obviously a club where the manager is unhappy!

Dale Stephens anyone.......!?

summitclaret wrote:Reading between the lines he is having a small go at board. If don't get at least 1 cb this time we will be pushing our luck. Got away with it massively last season. £5m or so is peanuts and it really is not worth pissin about over.

If it's 'peanuts' you lend it to the club then.

summitclaret - you are making a right knob of yourself and I've only read half of of this thread

We don't do 'Marquee' signings though do we?

That would indicate someone was more important to the group than someone else.

summitclaret wrote:Reading between the lines he is having a small go at board. If don't get at least 1 cb this time we will be pushing our luck. Got away with it massively last season. £5m or so is peanuts and it really is not worth pissin about over.

Got away with it would be finishing 17th on goal difference.

We Have 2 Good Goalkeepers
1 Good 1 adequate RB
2 Good LB s
2 Good 1 adequate CB s Yes I'd like another Dawson would be great

If Mee doesn't sign we'll still have him for the season IMO

We Finished 7th mostly with the above & without Heaton, Brady and missing Tarks, Defour & Ward for big chunks of the season

We Have 6 Good enough in Midfield, Cork, Westwood, Brady, Defour, Lennon, Hendrick

We Have Good enough Up front Wood, Barnes & Vokes - and to come Wells???

Emerging Players in the Cork Squad:We have to try & bring players through too
Defender Dunne
Midfield O'Neill
Forwards McNeill & Agyei

Yes I'd like Dawson
I'd like Kante & Mbappe too!

Reality is we need to bring players through and scrap for a few others without breaking the bank or team unity.

It's still Burnley FC not Barcelona

RammyClaret61 wrote:You are criticising the club for ******* about in the transfer market, we should be throwing an extra £5m at targets to get them in, especially with just 4 weeks to go?

Then you state “Tarky will be in big demand” so this big demand is going to happen when? The last 4 weeks of the window? Oh but that would be bad planning by the club demanding him, obviously a club where the manager is unhappy!

I sense they could be waiting for mee to decide in terms of caving in straightaway to wba demands, it's the waiting game in so more many ways with sussing out potential replacements in a chain & even then things change very quickly with hardly any indication or notice, it wouldn't be unusual to expect any sort of movement until the last week not just for us a whole raft of other clubs.

Just because WBA have been relegated, it doesn't follow that they are going to go into "Sale" mode
Just go back a couple of years when we were relegated - we kept our squad together and even added to it with the signing of Gray and others resulting in immediate promotion back up (it worked for us and maybe they think the same)
So Dawson makes it plain he wants to leave but they hold his contract and you can't blame them for trying to get the max money if other clubs are showing interest
Dawson offers us more than one option - a good CB or RB with plenty of Premier League experience in both positions
That's got to be worth at least £15m in today's market - is he so much more inferior to Ben Mee who I bet we would value at at least £25m