Might give this a whirl see how the other half live apparently (Durham) the venue.

Some of the recent documentaries, including the one about the Spice epidemic, was incredible.

There was a union representative for Prison Officers on the radio the other day and he essentially said that the ratio of prisoners to PO's has gotten so out of control that it easier for the PO's now to try and pacify the prisoners because if they tried to apply the rules hard and fast they would be putting themselves in life-threatening positions.

How you can have a phone up your ar$e for five days is beyond me....it appears a humorous episode on jail.

Nothing's changed since strangeways and the riot for the better be it for prisoner or prison officer.

Love these programmes, embarrassing but entertaining

Full of people who have said they are English in public.

This programme doesn't ring true ... They're all singing like canaries to the TV crew. Fake TV I've been had! Sarah milicans on impersonating a PO.

He smuggles phones in his arris, but is not happy when the cell isn't squeaky clean!

Prison? Looks like a holiday camp, hardly punishment,they're completely taking the ****.

If they spent 23 hours inside spartan cells and had to cr4p in a bucket, they wouldnt want to go back. The liberal ‘touchy-feely’ approach isn’t working, so we need to give prison more of a deterrent slant rather than a rehabilitation holiday.

Pimlico_Claret wrote:Prison? Looks like a holiday camp, hardly punishment,they're completely taking the ****.

It's not a holiday camp I'd like to visit.agreed they take the p!ss,but there's to much big talk to make it an authentic programme for me.im a celebrity get me out of here!fake TV

Along with today's alarming rise in crime, you've got to hand it to the Tories, this austerity lark is certainly making life so much better. I rest easier in my bed knowing that we owe so much less money as a country to whoever the hell we are supposed to owe it to.

The Hardman in this prison are pussies,put Charles Bronson in here to sort them out,fat Geordie pretender's

I worked there.
You have no idea!!!

tim_noone wrote:It's not a holiday camp I'd like to visit.agreed they take the p!ss,but there's to much big talk to make it an authentic programme for me.im a celebrity get me out of here!fake TV

Incorrect. It's absolutely true to life.

Inside the Murder Prison is on Channel 5.

FactualFrank wrote:Inside the Murder Prison is on Channel 5.

Thanks I was wondering.

BennyD wrote:If they spent 23 hours inside spartan cells and had to cr4p in a bucket, they wouldnt want to go back. The liberal ‘touchy-feely’ approach isn’t working, so we need to give prison more of a deterrent slant rather than a rehabilitation holiday.

Although I am not defending the state of our prisons, I can’t understand how anyone would want to take away the rehabilitation slant to prison.

Look at American prisons vs Scandinavian prisons and look at the reoffending rates

I always laugh when I heard the prisons in this country described as a “holiday camp”, what holidays have you lot been going on? If I was at a hotel in Spain surrounded by violent nutters out of their nut on spice I reckon I’d barricade myself in my room.

tim_noone wrote:Might give this a whirl see how the other half live apparently (Durham) the venue.

Lol. Read the opening post there and thought you was on your way to the scrubs

BennyD wrote:If they spent 23 hours inside spartan cells and had to cr4p in a bucket, they wouldnt want to go back. The liberal ‘touchy-feely’ approach isn’t working, so we need to give prison more of a deterrent slant rather than a rehabilitation holiday.

Genius, pure genius.

Didn’t watch the programme, but I bet half the people who talk about prisons being “like a holiday camp” would cry like a baby at the prospect of a stint inside.

I know would.

SammyBoy wrote:I always laugh when I heard the prisons in this country described as a “holiday camp”, what holidays have you lot been going on? If I was at a hotel in Spain surrounded by violent nutters out of their nut on spice I reckon I’d barricade myself in my room.

Plenty of people pay good money for that experience. Its called two weeks all inclusive at the mars / Jupiter / saturno complex in alcudia.

agreenwood wrote:Didn’t watch the programme, but I bet half the people who talk about prisons being “like a holiday camp” would cry like a baby at the prospect of a stint inside.

Absolutely. Unfortunately, it's neither a deterrent for the lads who are in there all the time nor has anything like the time and money to offer rehabilitation needed.

At the moment, it appears to be a holding pen for mental patients, drug addicts and dealers. But still, not exactly a holiday camp.

More like Morecambe then?

Don't get me wrong they don't look like nice places, but if you were homeless and Winter was approaching would you consider it for a warm place to sleep and 3 square meals? Just hypothetically.

Sammy - have you never been to Benidorm ?

Inchy wrote:Although I am not defending the state of our prisons, I can’t understand how anyone would want to take away the rehabilitation slant to prison.

Look at American prisons vs Scandinavian prisons and look at the reoffending rates

It seems to me the prisons have gone from one extreme to the other and now they appear to have little or no deterrent effect for career criminals. I’m sure there is a middle ground which would have a the required deterrent effect for the no-hopers, whilst still being able to rehabilitate the ‘occasional’ offender. Prison should always have an element of punishment because that is what they are there for.

BennyD wrote:It seems to me the prisons have gone from one extreme to the other and now they appear to have little or no deterrent effect for career criminals. I’m sure there is a middle ground which would have a the required deterrent effect for the no-hopers, whilst still being able to rehabilitate the ‘occasional’ offender. Prison should always have an element of punishment because that is what they are there for.

I think taking away their liberty is generally considered punishment. What other forms of punishment would you suggest?

The Singapore system works ok, harsh sentences, some for what we would describe as minor offences resulting in few of those offences being committed.

The person who alluded to those getting banged up for Winter, unfortunately that happens in that some “sofa surf” in the summer and then get a six month in total stretch.

The issue stems mainly from our care system, something like 65% of the prison population have been in care in their lives, sort the care system out first would be a start.

My mates brother is currently locked up and he texts or rings her all the time on a mobile he's got.
Usually asking for money to be transferred to someone to pay for his drugs that he's getting inside prison.

tim_noone wrote:Nothing's changed since strangeways and the riot for the better be it for prisoner or prison officer.

Speaking from experience pal?

Up the claret

TJ x

Rileybobs wrote:I think taking away their liberty is generally considered punishment. What other forms of punishment would you suggest?

No phones, supervised internet, stricter discipline, no-contact visits etc. IMO, the accommodation should be more spartan with a stronger emphasis on rehabilitation through appropriate classes and qualifications. People should come out in a better position to re-integrate into society but don’t want to go back in under any circumstances.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:My mates brother is currently locked up and he texts or rings her all the time on a mobile he's got.
Usually asking for money to be transferred to someone to pay for his drugs that he's getting inside prison.

Sounds like a nice chap.

DustyBawls wrote:Sounds like a nice chap.

I'm just disappointed he got such a short sentence, although it was about time he went to prison tbh.

People should be terrified of going to prison. They should crawl out of the place on all fours emaciated covered in flea bites and the likes they should beg their gang mates and criminal associates to change their ways. The state should ensure though they start work be it voluntary ie picking litter to get their benefits until they get a proper job.
Also you should pay for your stay in prison as we have to when relations end up in the care system.

I should imagine the screws want as easy life as possible it's poor pay, anti social hrs, long hrs. Some of the suggestions would lead to riots & violence, I should imagine that's the last thing a PO needs, some of us don't put the shifts in on the frontline.