News in the paper tomorrow. Any guesses?

Weve made offers for a couple of players but they are way short of the selling clubs valuation. Just a hunch...

Reece Oxford

He said last night we want 4 players but may get less

Reecey1987 wrote:He said last night we want 4 players but may get less

Good way to hedge his bets as we're unlikely to sign 5. So he's basically saying we may sign 0-4 players, lol.

Pearcey wrote:News in the paper tomorrow. Any guesses?

He’ll tell us we have a game that day against Montpellier

Reecey1987 wrote:He said last night we want 4 players but may get less

Will this count as one of his "Nixons usually right" statements?

Playing it safe there isn't he...

Exciting times tho eh?

bobinho wrote:Will this count as one of his "Nixons usually right" statements?

Playing it safe there isn't he...

Exciting times tho eh?

Lets just wait and see who we end with he may be right he might not be . He seems to get every other transfer more a less right when it comes to other clubs so i dont so any reason why he wont when its us

Reecey1987 wrote:He said last night we want 4 players but may get less

He might say that, but that's not the case.

ClaretTony wrote:He might say that, but that's not the case.

At the risk of sounding like Play Your Cards Right is it higher or lower?

Its clear that "we may get less " may or may not be correct so it must be the "4 players " suggestion that is wrong

Suspect its a story about BFC and our rise in the last 3 years

In terms of transfers the club has already said quality over quantity. Sadly to bring in players who are good enough and experienced enough to get in the team a weekly £35k wage ceiling will be our biggest challenge. WHU and Fulham will no doubt pay more salary for Mawson who is a Londoner anyway. Sooner or later the club has a big decision to make at where we position our ceiling

It rather restricts us to players in their twilight years (Walters/Bardsley) players from the Championship (Wood and Taylor), players at the end of their contracts(Heaton, Ward). Shows how successful we have been, but when you see the activity of WHU, Brighton, Everton, Wolves, Fulham, and I am sure this week will be hugely active for others not listed. When you superimpose these to our stats for the second half of last season it starts to worry me. Aberdeen was a stark reminder-no midfielder on the bench, other than Vokes no game changer in reserve. Before anyone says yes we have injuries there is nothing to stop Tarks & Mee both picking up serious injuries . Yes unlikely but who would have envisaged serious shoulder injuries for both goal keepers in the space of 10 months. No club is exempt from suspensions or injuries

Don't take this as being negative, I feel confident we can pull a few rabbits out the hat prior to the season opener, we usually do, but with the amount of cash being thrown around the challenge for BFC is ever increasing

warksclaret wrote:In terms of transfers the club has already said quality over quantity. Sadly to bring in players who are good enough and experienced enough to get in the team a weekly £35k wage ceiling will be our biggest challenge.

I'm not sure where this comes from but I've never, ever seen any confirmation of any wage ceiling and I don't believe we have one.

ClaretTony wrote:He might say that, but that's not the case.

Given we went through last season a centre back light, have a clear interest in another striker, and have lost 3 midfielders/ wide players since last season so have lost a lot of depth in those departments, Id be pretty disappointed if we didnt want at least 3 and ideally 4 players. And thats before we consider the goalkeeper issue.

The squad is clearly light on depth, that was evident at Aberdeen.

Morning Tony-about a month ago I saw an extract published from an American report on PL player salaries. It showed Brady, Defour, Cork and a few more Burnley players on £35k a week(£1.8m a year) and went down to the lower payers. Players who had been there some time were lower down the pay scale ie Mee, Vokes. It looked authentic and appeared to be "in-line" with what you hear about BFC salaries. Could all be wrong of course

A quick look at our most recent wage bill shows we do not have a £35k/week ceiling

warksclaret wrote:Morning Tony-about a month ago I saw an extract published from an American report on PL player salaries. It showed Brady, Defour, Cork and a few more Burnley players on £35k a week(£1.8m a year) and went down to the lower payers. Players who had been there some time were lower down the pay scale ie Mee, Vokes. It looked authentic and appeared to be "in-line" with what you hear about BFC salaries. Could all be wrong of course

Given salaries are confidential, it can be no morw than an educated guess.

claretspice wrote:Given salaries are confidential, it can be no morw than an educated guess.

I reckon agents will openly brag how much money they got for there players to entice other clients.

I think we are very pro at paying bonuses (ie for staying up, or for finishing in a high position). This of course distorts the true salary

I think we'll sign fewer than 8 players.

You heard it here first.

Pearcey wrote:News in the paper tomorrow. Any guesses?

I believe that the headline is......... 'Burnley Fans Are Gullible Fuds'

After Barnfield Training Complex the next investment should have been in an overseas scouting network. This is where there is value. There is little value in seasoned PL players and the jump from the squad we already have to higher quality and PL experienced is massive in terms of cost.

warksclaret wrote:Morning Tony-about a month ago I saw an extract published from an American report on PL player salaries. It showed Brady, Defour, Cork and a few more Burnley players on £35k a week(£1.8m a year) and went down to the lower payers. Players who had been there some time were lower down the pay scale ie Mee, Vokes. It looked authentic and appeared to be "in-line" with what you hear about BFC salaries. Could all be wrong of course

Hi Warks, I'm pretty sure "£35k per week" comes from the 2015/16 season - possibly including promotion bonuses (or possibly with bonuses on top).
The last set of accounts, for the season 2016/17 - strictly 30-June-2017 - show wage costs of £61 million. We can assume £35k was not to top weekly wage for some through that season. We won't see the 2017-18 season's accounts until March next year. Given how the tv money has jumped. Given the new contracts signed in that period, including Sean Dyche's £3.5 million (assuming that is correct), it's not unreasonable to guess that wages for 2017/18 will be reported not far away from £80 million.

I think it's just journalists rushing to file their copy and looking up a number that keeps repeating "max £35k per week" now.

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Reecey1987 wrote:Lets just wait and see who we end with he may be right he might not be . He seems to get every other transfer more a less right when it comes to other clubs so i dont so any reason why he wont when its us

Dunno bout other clubs, I do know he gets more wrong than right when it comes to us.

He will be right on this tho… his margin for error is massive.

DustyBawls wrote:I think we'll sign fewer than 8 players.

You heard it here first.

I think a football team starts with 11 players every game.

I'll not claim "you heard it here first."

OK. I'll get my coat....

Reecey1987 wrote:He said last night we want 4 players but may get less

He also said it was the same players we had been linked with all window and nothing had moved since the start.

If it is the same 4 and 2 are with W Brom who are poor to deal with from experience and just one other club then that is v poor forward planning.

randomclaret2 wrote:A quick look at our most recent wage bill shows we do not have a £35k/week ceiling

Not having a ceiling doesn't mean we actually pay anyone more than 35k. Pedantic I know, but the ceiling is irrelevant, what we pay is.

We all know there is a 'framework' as both the Manager and Chairman have spoken about it repeatedly.

Steddyman wrote:We all know there is a 'framework' as both the Manager and Chairman have spoken about it repeatedly.

Feels like more of a straight jacket at the moment, but with nearly two weeks to go before the window closes hopefully we can still do a Harry Houdini.

ClaretTony wrote:He might say that, but that's not the case.

Then how many are we after?

Center back? Striker? Midfielder? Winger? No.10?

That’s 5 I’d want personally for a bit of squad depth and more quality. Before anyone says anything I know this is highly unlikely

Centre

It can't be big or breaking news as he wouldn't wait two days to get the story out. The chances are it would break somewhere else first.

The 4 we want are Clucas, Dawson, Rodriguez and Mawson, we are no closer since the window opened. Laughable really, it appears to me the cash just isn't available to sign players.

Its wages as I said earlier

warksclaret wrote:Its wages as I said earlier

Why would it be wages? We have spent the entire window faffing around again, chasing the same 4 players, I'm positive even we're not stupid enough to do that if we can't afford their weekly wage.

KRBFC wrote:The 4 we want are Clucas, Dawson, Rodriguez and Mawson, we are no closer since the window opened. Laughable really, it appears to me the cash just isn't available to sign players.

It’s not laughable is it really?? What would be laughable is signing those 4 three weeks ago and paying way, way more than we’ll probably end up doing. If SD thinks we can wait abit longer for signings thats fine by me.

It’s the same whinges every bloody transfer window. We’re cautious. We have to be. We might have more money than we ever have but it doesnt mean we should go about throwing money about.

For fear of lighting the blue touchpaper, any chance of Ings? Fit, he would FIT into any of `our systems` perfectly!!!! Under or over 25% of this happening...

Dyched wrote:It’s not laughable is it really?? What would be laughable is signing those 4 three weeks ago and paying way, way more than we’ll probably end up doing. If SD thinks we can wait abit longer for signings thats fine by me.

It’s the same whinges every bloody transfer window. We’re cautious. We have to be. We might have more money than we ever have but it doesnt mean we should go about throwing money about.

and its the same boring happy clappers every season, making the same bs excuses for the club. It has absolutely nothing to do with Dyche, he's made it perfectly clear he wanted players in already, this isn't his choice, his hands are tied.

kaptin1 wrote:Feels like more of a straight jacket at the moment, but with nearly two weeks to go before the window closes hopefully we can still do a Harry Houdini.

Harry Houdini ? Hope he's a creative 'no. 10'

KRBFC wrote:and its the same boring happy clappers every season, making the same bs excuses for the club. It has absolutely nothing to do with Dyche, he's made it perfectly clear he wanted players in already, this isn't his choice, his hands are tied.

Yes it’s the same old happy clappers every season that have faith in what and how we do thinks. You know why son? Because we’ve gone from the bottom half to Europe in 5 years doing it our way.

KRBFC wrote:and its the same boring happy clappers every season, making the same bs excuses for the club. It has absolutely nothing to do with Dyche, he's made it perfectly clear he wanted players in already, this isn't his choice, his hands are tied.

Of course he would like them in earlier, but show us one quote where he says he doesn’t agree with the clubs recruitment policy. Show us a quote where he says he is at odds with the chairman and directors

HiroshimaClaret wrote:For fear of lighting the blue touchpaper, any chance of Ings? Fit, he would FIT into any of `our systems` perfectly!!!! Under or over 25% of this happening...

I agree, but unless he comes with an injury free guarantee, he isn't with half of what Liverpool want for him.

Deano is still free and would be better than nothing for the MF.
He could turn out to be a second Lenny Johnrose as a resigning MF player

KRBFC wrote:The 4 we want are Clucas, Dawson, Rodriguez and Mawson, we are no closer since the window opened. Laughable really, it appears to me the cash just isn't available to sign players.

It would be either Dawson or Mawson, not both, we don't need 2. My real concern is that we haven't been linked with anyone with what we desperately need, pace, either upfront or out wide.

KRBFC wrote:Why would it be wages? We have spent the entire window faffing around again, chasing the same 4 players, I'm positive even we're not stupid enough to do that if we can't afford their weekly wage.

If it was wages our offers would have been accepted by the parent club.

If they are bidding for players without having a clue what wages they’d want I’d be amazed.

Edit was supposed to quote the post above the one I did.

1968claret wrote:Of course he would like them in earlier, but show us one quote where he says he doesn’t agree with the clubs recruitment policy. Show us a quote where he says he is at odds with the chairman and directors

He's never going to come out and say that is he? why would he be at odds with the chairman or directors?

claretandy wrote:It would be either Dawson or Mawson, not both, we don't need 2. My real concern is that we haven't been linked with anyone with what we desperately need, pace, either upfront or out wide.

Yeah but those will be the 4 we're currently pursuing, we obviously won't get both central defenders. Yeah, we haven't been linked with anyone yet who will actually drastically improve what we already have, as the saying goes ''if you are standing still you're moving backwards''.

Mawson no strongly linked with Fulham

I’ve been told on numerous occasions that Dyche isn’t part of the recruitment team