I put this to the Claret community just because well I'm bored.

If your Vegan because you choose not to eat ANY animal product then fair enough. However if your Vegan because of animal welfare issues then why not eat eggs.

I present the case as follows using chickens as an example.

If the chickens are completley free range then they are not being treated badly.
The chickens will lay the eggs anyway. If they haven't been fertilized they will never hatch. So no animal life is being killed. So the eggs either get taken and eaten or left and the chickens would eat them thereselves. (Chickens really will eat anything)

So should vegans who are all about the animal welfare eat eggs?

Hens lay eggs...chickens get eaten

Which came first?

You're*

Bordeaux wrote:Hens lay eggs...chickens get eaten

By foxes.. Who in turn get shot! Life can be really Sh!t for wildlife. Go to work on an egg

ElectroClaret wrote:Which came first?

According to the wife. Me

Vegans, there the ones with the pointy ears???

I'm quite happy to eat the chicken and the egg on the same plate if that helps

spamalittle wrote:Vegans, there the ones with the pointy ears???

Damo wrote:I'm quite happy to eat the chicken and the egg on the same plate if that helps

Not a vegan though, they're way too stringy.

How do you know if someone a vegan?
Easy. They will tell you.

Vegans are pricks. And thick ones at that.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:How do you know if someone a vegan?
Easy. They will tell you.

Vegans are pricks. And thick ones at that.

IT s got to be a vegan.

ElectroClaret wrote:Which came first?

The chicken or dickhead?

E for B and Georgie Best!!!

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d1sc0 wrote:I put this to the Claret community just because well I'm bored.

If your Vegan because you choose not to eat ANY animal product then fair enough. However if your Vegan because of animal welfare issues then why not eat eggs.

I present the case as follows using chickens as an example.

If the chickens are completley free range then they are not being treated badly.
The chickens will lay the eggs anyway. If they haven't been fertilized they will never hatch. So no animal life is being killed. So the eggs either get taken and eaten or left and the chickens would eat them thereselves. (Chickens really will eat anything)

So should vegans who are all about the animal welfare eat eggs?

Surely it’s just a label. People who don’t eat meat but eat eggs would be classed as vegetarians. It could be through religious/cultural beliefs that people don’t eat eggs. Or it could be that people don’t like the idea of eating something produced by an animal.

Isnt it that hardcore Vegans are against eating eggs because of the genetic engineering conducted on Hens to turn them into egg laying machines and the way unproductive Hens are treated and culled.

If I see/ hear one more Vegan on the telly lecturing me about food lifestyle, animal products and what I should/shouldn’t eat (instead of getting on with their own miserable joyless lives).... I’ll need a new telly.

Devils_Advocate wrote:Isnt it that hardcore Vegans are against eating eggs because of the genetic engineering conducted on Hens to turn them into egg laying machines and the way unproductive Hens are treated and culled.

Totally agree and if that is someone's belief then do be it. If how the hens are completely free range. Make baby hens whenever they want eat a completely wild diet are not interfered and altered in any way. Unfertilised eggs would still be laid. A completely natural process. In those circumstances what is the issue?

d1sc0 wrote:Totally agree and if that is someone's belief then do be it. If how the hens are completely free range. Make baby hens whenever they want eat a completely wild diet are not interfered and altered in any way. Unfertilised eggs would still be laid. A completely natural process. In those circumstances what is the issue?

Then they wouldn’t be vegan, they would be vegetarian.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:How do you know if someone a vegan?
Easy. They will tell you.

Vegans are pricks. And thick ones at that.

Lovely

ElectroClaret wrote:Which came first?

I'm grouping together hens and roosters as chickens. Pick the answer that makes you happy.

The Chicken Came First

If a pigeon were to lay an egg containing a chicken it could be considered a pigeons egg, based on the ownership of the egg by the pigeon. Even though the egg contains a chicken. In this case the pigeon would have to come first, because without it no egg of pigeon ownership is possible.

In the same manner the egg of a chicken can only belong to a chicken, which presupposes the existence of the chicken prior to the egg.

The Egg Came First

If a pigeon lays an egg and some evolutionary traits within the biological history of the pigeon give rise to a new hybrid species, which could be a chicken, then the egg would come first. In this scenario the chicken did not exist prior to its gestation within and emergence from the egg. So the chicken egg came first.

The Chicken And The Egg Are One

The categories of space and time are the Apriori "in the first instance" forms that underpin all our representations of the world we experience. Everything we experience is presented to us in clear and ordered terms. This is happening now, this happened before, the apple is in front of me, the apple is above me and so on.

If we didn't have these forms to split our experience into manageable chunks, before we receive it, then it would present itself as a singular mass containing anything and everything in the same place at the same time.

While we are not actively responsible for imposing the forms of time and space on our experience they are necessary for us to have any experience at all. These form facilitate the individuation that makes it possible for us to perceive the world, without them our experience of the world would be reduced to a jumbled impenetrable mass.

Outside of our experience the egg is actually the chicken and the chicken is actually the egg. They only seem to be two different things because of the necessary way our experience is ordered and presented to us.

d1sc0 wrote:Totally agree and if that is someone's belief then do be it. If how the hens are completely free range. Make baby hens whenever they want eat a completely wild diet are not interfered and altered in any way. Unfertilised eggs would still be laid. A completely natural process. In those circumstances what is the issue?

Im about as opposite to Vegan as can be so not a speaker for them but I think their point is that just the culture of treating eggs as food leads to practices they do not think is ethical so even if you only eat eggs from a total natural process it still is linked to the overall culture off eggs as human food and therefore the knock on effects.

Not saying I agree in any way with their views but like you my approach is just let people have their own beliefs and live their own life and leave others to live theirs

I don't get vegans.

bfcjg wrote:I don't get vegans.

If you'd ever been served a skanky bacon?? Sandwich as opposed to fresh tomato and lettuce on a crusty roll you'd get it maybe.

tim_noone wrote:If you'd ever been served a skanky bacon?? Sandwich as opposed to fresh tomato and lettuce on a crusty roll you'd get it maybe.

I get vegetarians no problem,but vegans ? What are they trying to prove\help.
If I got served some skanky bacon I'd just get a refund or swop for chicken or need.

Can you imagine living your life without eggs or indeed bacon?

Been a veggie 30 plus years. I've no wish to push my personal beliefs onto others but yes, a vegan will more than likely let you know in no uncertain terms UTC

Yea to be fair I don't get vegans.....but some of The sh!t that passes for meat today puts me right off. Though the farmers? butchers near asda colne is very good in the whole process of delivering quality meat. To post 25.

Billy Balfour wrote:Can you imagine living your life without eggs or indeed bacon?

Bacon yes.

They don’t need to tell you, they are easily recognised by the fact that they are scrawny, ashen faced, acne ridden, perpetually flatulent, self righteous, insufferably smug, intolerant gits. Only cyclists are worse.

Chobulous wrote:They don’t need to tell you, they are easily recognised by the fact that they are scrawny, ashen faced, acne ridden, perpetually flatulent, self righteous, insufferably smug, intolerant gits.

And deeply miserable.

Chobulous wrote:They don’t need to tell you, they are easily recognised by the fact that they are scrawny, ashen faced, acne ridden, perpetually flatulent, self righteous, insufferably smug, intolerant gits. Only cyclists are worse.

You sound like a r8 goodnight out.

tim_noone wrote:You sound like a r8 goodnight out.

Que?