I’m confused, in pre season when I suggest that a foreign investor would be the way forward for us I was told that we would be crazy to move away from a chairman who is a fan because he can run a tight ship and I think that somebody mentioned that we had finished 7th. I was also told that without any doubt getting such an investor would lead to the club basically going bankrupt in no time as said investor would get bored.

Now today I am reading that getting beat by any team that has a big buck investor is inevitable and we should almost expect it.

What confuses me is why are these investors good for ever club other than Burnley?

Started a thread just before you on the same topic, I was the kind of fan who didn't want foreign investment but now after the window, if we want to compete, it looks the only way forwards...

Just seen yours now, hopefully a mod can merge the 2

Because eventually a club runs up debts it can't sustain.

That's when owners pull the plug.

So all these owners will eventually be off? There’s no sign of that happening so far

That bloke who's cousin owns Man CIty just had a 2 billion bid turned down for Chelsea - someone give him a ring, he can buy us for 80 quid and a few boxes of twix

I read that we have regular contact from potential investors

It doesn't have to be foreign (sorry - just getting in quick before the PC brigade jump in), but I respect clubs who don't buy their way - Fulham and Wolves are going to buy survival. Not because of a good manager - not because of tactics - because they've had money to chance at players. If they fail? They'll simply spend another 100 million in January. It's a joke. They are a joke.

So yes - investment is always great, so long as we don't go down that route. I want us to stick with SD's approach - not sign d-heads (barton apart), who could unrest the changing room. And stick with players who work their backside off. I don't want us to spending millions on a player who is coming for the pay packet.

We’re only 3 games in....grow some!

It’s since April.... open them!

Fulham and Wolves came up with megabuck owners - it gets more difficult every year to build a team on a budget. I'm not saying it can't be done but it's very hard work as SD keeps alluding to in his interviews. There is little doubt we need some sort of investment just to carry on being the over achieving low budget underdogs - low budget in premier league terms is more than ours.

These so called investors are killing the game and when there are too many as there nearly is already and they can't win anything despite their deep pockets it will all go bad. The only hope I can see is that the top half dozen clubs move into a Euro super league and the money moves - that's the stated aim of a lot of these investors who want to get the game over to the States for part of the season where they could potentially make even more money- I'm sure you've all read about Real this week.

They aren't in this to win the PL or FA cup they are in it to take it over and move it onto a global stage. Greed Greed and more Greed why do people who have so much money they don't know what to do with it and don't know the word enough.

They care not for culture, tradition or any of the things we love about English football. If we want to eat at the top table for a little longer prepare to make a deal with the devil - let's home some are better than others.

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And a lot of those people made money accidentally or were given it. A lot of them are thick as pig sh1t and shouldn't have it. So you get people investing in clubs who don't know their arse from their elbow.

The question is WHY will our board not accept outside investment.

A foreign investor would expect a return on the money invested. Where would that dividend come from? We don’t have the gate receipts, corporate sponsors or potential for income growth - all we have is the TV income.

Where do all the other clubs in the top 2 divisions get their returns come from?

MRG wrote:Where do all the other clubs in the top 2 divisions get their returns come from?

Bigger fan base, bigger match day revenue, more corporate interest, more media interest leading to better sponsors.

Burnley Ace wrote:Bigger fan base, bigger match day revenue, more corporate interest, more media interest leading to better sponsors.

That’s us then, best toddle off to League 1 where we belong

So someone pumps £200m in. Don’t you think at some stage they will perhaps want their money back?
When does that come; when we are winning the champions league or from the 80k fans coming to watch each week?

MRG wrote:That’s us then, best toddle off to League 1 where we belong

Are you starting to realise the predicament we are in? Where do you think the financial growth will come from?

Burnley Ace wrote:Bigger fan base, bigger match day revenue, more corporate interest, more media interest leading to better sponsors.

And these are all areas that we need to press on with, perhaps more so than what we are doing. We need better facilities, better stands, better premium seating, better hospitality and catering.

Burnleyareback2 wrote:So someone pumps £200m in. Don’t you think at some stage they will perhaps want their money back?
When does that come; when we are winning the champions league or from the 80k fans coming to watch each week?

Where will Aston Villa’s come from or Bournemouth, Fulham or Southampton?

We could start by increasing the season ticket prices, taking out loans to build bigger and better stands (or a new ground?). What’s premium seating - padded? What more do you want from hospitality? You just seem to be saying everything should be better and presumably cost more?

MRG wrote:Where will Aston Villa’s come from or Bournemouth, Fulham or Southampton?

A nice selection of the teams hat havnt erupted yet.

Bravo.

Burnleyareback2 wrote:A nice selection of the teams hat havnt erupted yet.

Bravo.

Haha you choose any team outside of the top 6 and explain to me where their return is coming from

Burnley Ace wrote:A foreign investor would expect a return on the money invested. Where would that dividend come from? We don’t have the gate receipts, corporate sponsors or potential for income growth - all we have is the TV income.

Do you mean a return of 12% like our current directors charged the club for their loans prior to our premier league status.

The story of Burnley is real. Let's keep it that way.

I know what everyone is saying about investing but it seems like the only way to progress these days got to move with the times our board simply don't have any money to take the club forward so as long as any potential new owners don't ruin the club then we should look for owners with deep pockets buying your way to sucsess is not right but everyone are doing it it's about being as good as you can be no point in being moral we all want Burnley to be doing well in the premier league and maybe Europe as well one day when we can compete in both competitions I would also like to see us win the fa cup one day it's about making Burnley the best and investment might just do that

Corner shop mentality.thats Burnley FC .waste 5 million on wells but won't stump up 1 million extra on jay .

The only way owners make money is to stay in the Pl long enough to sell a club for a huge profit. No way Bournemouth are making their owner a return on his investment. No way the man city owner has made any money yet. Most of these investments are used to promote other businesses - like when a supermarket does a crazy deal at little or no profit (to the brand) to promote a particular brand

Vegas Claret wrote:The only way owners make money is to stay in the Pl long enough to sell a club for a huge profit. No way Bournemouth are making their owner a return on his investment. No way the man city owner has made any money yet. Most of these investments are used to promote other businesses - like when a supermarket does a crazy deal at little or no profit (to the brand) to promote a particular brand

Incorrect Vegas see post 26

winsomeyen wrote:Do you mean a return of 12% like our current directors charged the club for their loans prior to our premier league status.

A good example though they might expect an even higher rate.

winsomeyen wrote:Incorrect Vegas see post 26

That's a loan not an investment, two completely different things

People moan about how Fulham and Wolves have spent so much but a lot of these players are young and have a resale value. The problem with us is that we don't seem to like signing players under 26 and putting them into the team, and then once their contracts run out they haven't much resale value.

I know Ablue had some weird theories but one thing he wasn't wrong about was how we need to look into buying younger players. The older players, Reid, Walters, Bardsley and the like cost money and decent wages and have no resale value. IF we were to go down outr top players would be off and leave us with a side which would struggle in the championship.

Vegas Claret wrote:The only way owners make money is to stay in the Pl long enough to sell a club for a huge profit. No way Bournemouth are making their owner a return on his investment. No way the man city owner has made any money yet. Most of these investments are used to promote other businesses - like when a supermarket does a crazy deal at little or no profit (to the brand) to promote a particular brand

Like Venkeys?

Burnley Ace wrote:Like Venkeys?

Yep, but they didn't stay in the Pl because they didn't have a clue about football - but the reason behind the investment was for the reasons I stated.

Vegas Claret wrote:That's a loan not an investment, two completely different things

People invest to try to make a profit.

Just like your bank gives you a loan to make money,

DustyBawls wrote:It doesn't have to be foreign (sorry - just getting in quick before the PC brigade jump in), but I respect clubs who don't buy their way - Fulham and Wolves are going to buy survival. Not because of a good manager - not because of tactics - because they've had money to chance at players. If they fail? They'll simply spend another 100 million in January. It's a joke. They are a joke.

So yes - investment is always great, so long as we don't go down that route. I want us to stick with SD's approach - not sign d-heads (barton apart), who could unrest the changing room. And stick with players who work their backside off. I don't want us to spending millions on a player who is coming for the pay packet.

Yes I agree to a point. But also they know that Ryan Sessognon is worth 40 million in todays market if not a little more. Likewise Wolves and Neves. This alone pays for near half this years outlay if the worst comes to the worst. Both these clubs have been active in the foreign market and managed to poach some stars because of links they have made. Elias at Fulham had long had links with agents of top young players hence Fulham always seeming to get good youngsters....Dembele, Fredericks, Sessognon brothers, Dembele. Wolves also with their agent have tapped into the portuguese market.

We should have been trying to do something similar...not at their level. Bur bare with me please ha ha....a few seasons ago Everton paid the makers of FM (the largest footballer database on the planet) and paid them 3 million for the database. Why havent we without a foreign scouting team tried something similar. Draw on the experience out there rather than trying to master it all ourselves

winsomeyen wrote:People invest to try to make a profit.

Just like your bank gives you a loan to make money,

Not necessarily directly. Tell me how the owners of fulham, wolves, bournemouth, man city etc etc are making profit directly from owning a football club ?

Also people talk about players costing 100 million....they do have a resale value and most will go for a little more due to inflation so it is a false market when quoting these figures because if after a year you aren't happy you can just cash your chips in again minus a years wages. Look at the Ayew brothers who do nothing but move for the same fee every year. The Prem is full of them

Vegas Claret wrote:Yep, but they didn't stay in the Pl because they didn't have a clue about football - but the reason behind the investment was for the reasons I stated.

Right, so what you are wanting is for us to be brought by some sort of international conglomerate who see us as a side interest to promote their main brand hoping that the new people they put in place know more about football than the other clubs in the Premiership so that we become a well established permanent fixture in this league?

winsomeyen wrote:Do you mean a return of 12% like our current directors charged the club for their loans prior to our premier league status.

To be fair it was 6.5%, although even that returned a considerable amount of interest.

I do think MG is setting us up for a massive sale but this poor transfer window may cock it up for him.

Burnley Ace wrote:Right, so what you are wanting is for us to be brought by some sort of international conglomerate who see us as a side interest to promote their main brand hoping that the new people they put in place know more about football than the other clubs in the Premiership so that we become a well established permanent fixture in this league?

When did I say I wanted us to get foreign investment? I was explaining why they do it.

Cleveleys_claret wrote:I do think MG is setting us up for a massive sale but this poor transfer window may cock it up for him.

Do you know anything about him? Have you ever met him?

No but I am allowed an opinion

Cleveleys_claret wrote:I do think MG is setting us up for a massive sale but this poor transfer window may cock it up for him.

Do you know anything about him? Have you ever met him?

Burnley Ace wrote:Right, so what you are wanting is for us to be brought by some sort of international conglomerate who see us as a side interest to promote their main brand hoping that the new people they put in place know more about football than the other clubs in the Premiership so that we become a well established permanent fixture in this league?

Arent we a side interest for MG too though who lives in London and spends most of his week running his recruitment company there

Cleveleys_claret wrote:No but I am allowed an opinion

So you’ve never met him and you know nothing about him so your opinion is worthless, it is just made up nonsense.

Have you ever met a foreign investor whom you don't running our club? How would you know what his/her visions for the club would be