To all fellow Clarets. Those of you having hissy fits need to breath, count to ten and calm down. Yes we have had a relatively poor start to the season and totally agree it's a cause for concern, but the hysteria on this board is embarrassing !

I am away in Lanzarote and only watched the last three games on TV , so maybe I'm not seeing fellow Clarets face to face with varying opinions on what has gone wrong thus far. However , I've witnessed hammerings at Peterborough, Scarborough and the likes, and trust me we've come a hell of a long way since those dark Division 4 days.

All this conspiracy theory of player unrest, revolts, etc., etc. We have seen and been in far deeper holes and come out smiling, so come on, get a grip !

So come on people , let's get right behind them, they need us now more than ever. Get off their backs, give them unwavering support , enjoy the ride and be positive.

Kitch1966 wrote:To all fellow Clarets. Those of you having hissy fits need to breath, count to ten and calm down. Yes we have had a relatively poor start to the season and totally agree it's a cause for concern, but the hysteria on this board is embarrassing !

I am away in Lanzarote and only watched the last three games on TV , so maybe I'm not seeing fellow Clarets face to face with varying opinions on what has gone wrong thus far. However , I've witnessed hammerings at Peterborough, Scarborough and the likes, and trust me we've come a hell of a long way since those dark Division 4 days.

All this conspiracy theory of player unrest, revolts, etc., etc. We have seen and been in far deeper holes and come out smiling, so come on, get a grip !

So come on people , let's get right behind them, they need us now more than ever. Get off their backs, give them unwavering support , enjoy the ride and be positive.

We've come a long way so forget ambition and wanting to win every game we once got hammered off Scarborough so makes every defeat acceptable?

You forgot to mention the Orient game for a full house

Will this thread be deleted like the others?

Without trying to sound rude or disrespectful, all you moaners probably started watching whilst things have been rosy. We're you there leading up to the ' Orient game', or are you just young uns who've had it so good you don't know any different ?

Kitch1966 wrote:Without trying to sound rude or disrespectful, all you moaners probably started watching whilst things have been rosy. We're you there leading up to the ' Orient game', or are you just young uns who've had it so good you don't know any different ?

No

Kitch, you have to be fishing now surely.

No not at all Gandi. All I am saying is be passive, it can't always be a bed of roses. We all know we are punching above our weight, and from time to time we get a bloody nose. That is bound to happen in this league we all knew that.

[quote="Kitch1966"]Without trying to sound rude or disrespectful, all you moaners probably started watching whilst things have been rosy. We're you there leading up to the ' Orient game', or are you just young uns who've had it so good you don't know any different ?[/quote

It's amazing what sun, Estrella and Vino can do. Enjoy. I'll be at it myself for a few weeks soon.

The orient game and the dark days of division 4 was 30 years ago. Football has changed significantly since then, we are constantly battered by the orient game reference and it carries very little relevance if any other than being a significant date in our history just like 1960 was. The club have had a poor start, these things happen yes however the course of events leading upto this have been like being in a slow motion car crash in terms of the unnecessary risks being taken in the transfer window. We got away with 3 cbs last season, this season we have failed miserbaly to get the necessary bodies in that has resulted in 1 fit winger at the club and poor performances partly due to lack of bodies available. That is what has caused this unrest and to use the dark days of division 4 as an excuse is to simply bury your head in the sand and not face upto the issues we have at present. Ironically it is this caution that holds us back ultimately.

FFS. What does 1987 have to do with our current predicament? Nothing. Zilch.

If we want to bring up 1987, then why not the glory years of the 1960’s? That’s just as irrelevant, surely? But then, that wouldn’t suit your agenda.

I agree the reaction to yesterday was a tad on the extreme side, but I’m sick and tired of fans harping on about the Orient game, as if it’s some sort of ‘get out of jail free card’, that can be used at anytime to exonerate the club of any sort of criticism, justified or not.

Why do we use the Orient game as some sort of barometer for success? I just don’t get it. I suppose you’d be happy being mid-table in League 2, because that would still be progress, right?

I’ve never known a set of fans to look backwards as much as us. I don’t care what happened in 1987. I’ve seen us in Division 4, and we were ****. I don’t particular care what happened last season. It’s been and gone. It’s the here and now that we should be focusing on.

I don't particularly care what happened yesterday. Just back... enjoyable weekend loved the steak n Ale pies to!

Just take a chill pill. Granted I am in sunnier climates but BFC means as much to me as the next Claret. I do want the best but let's be realistic. Be passive and get behind them as they need us more than ever at present.

Kitch1966 wrote:Without trying to sound rude or disrespectful, all you moaners probably started watching whilst things have been rosy. We're you there leading up to the ' Orient game', or are you just young uns who've had it so good you don't know any different ?

Sorry for only being 3 years old at the time 'The Orient Game'.

Murger wrote:Sorry for only being 3 years old at the time 'The Orient Game'.

No excuses

Kitch1966 wrote:The hysteria on this board is embarrassing !

Well said.... nuff said !

It's only a game, that is all it has ever been. You win some, you draw some, you lose some. You go down, you get promoted and life goes on regardless.
Nothing really to get upset about unless somebody gets killed and, fortunately, that doesn't happen very often.

Kitch1966 wrote:Without trying to sound rude or disrespectful, all you moaners probably started watching whilst things have been rosy. We're you there leading up to the ' Orient game', or are you just young uns who've had it so good you don't know any different ?

I am afraid you have to move with the times. Whether the supporters on this board are from your era or a different era is irrelevant. For the first season I understand the comments "enjoy the ride", however what is wrong with riding the ride now. The money coming in should be invested in players, the ride should be lasting longer than it is probably going to last, unless Dyche works absolute miracles again, which is perhaps 50/50.

The "fans" who are "were you travelling to Exeter on a Tuesday evening" need to move with the times and expect bigger things now. It's you thats letting the club down with your mediocre levels of expectancy. Move with the times. I was actually going to Stockport and Newquay on rainy Tuesday nights, I don't want to again though. Stop accepting the boards negativity in the transfer market. It is what it is, pay the fees. It's ok selling for big sums and taking huge sums from the league, put it back in to the club or get out of the league and let Dyche move onwards and upwards.

It's annoying how many non Burnley fans really don't like Dyche and say his football is too boring to watch. He's absolutely class who can only work with what he has. Im sure he can play a different brand of football but he's not daft. He knows trying with the current team would be football suicide.

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:It's only a game, that is all it has ever been. You win some, you draw some, you lose some. You go down, you get promoted and life goes on regardless.
Nothing really to get upset about unless somebody gets killed and, fortunately, that doesn't happen very often.

Imagine if this was the consensus amongst fans in football. I wonder what football would look like? It sounds really boring to me.

Not panicking, no need to yet.
Only think me winding me up is the lack of truth with these injuries.

TsarBomba wrote:FFS. What does 1987 have to do with our current predicament? Nothing. Zilchn.

Are we in a predicament?? It's August.

We do need to get behind the team and 'do our bit' to get
team spirit back or lifted and help improve performances in general.

Even if that means we lose our next three games but performances improve
and we don't get seriously tonked by United and Wolves.
Hopefully by the Wolves game both Vydras and Brady will be in the frame
and help give us a lift. Possibly even Defour and Gudmundsson getting close too.
After that we've got some tricky games coming up (Bournemouth at home, Cardiff away)
and wouldn't wish to be coming up to those games with everyone's head down.

Fans alone can't do it but it seems as if some, if not quite a few players need to
improve their form ( whatever that actually means)
and if they do so I'm sure the fans will recognise that and get behind them.

edwardianclaret wrote:I am afraid you have to move with the times. Whether the supporters on this board are from your era or a different era is irrelevant. For the first season I understand the comments "enjoy the ride", however what is wrong with riding the ride now. The money coming in should be invested in players, the ride should be lasting longer than it is probably going to last, unless Dyche works absolute miracles again, which is perhaps 50/50.

The "fans" who are "were you travelling to Exeter on a Tuesday evening" need to move with the times and expect bigger things now. It's you thats letting the club down with your mediocre levels of expectancy. Move with the times. I was actually going to Stockport and Newquay on rainy Tuesday nights, I don't want to again though. Stop accepting the boards negativity in the transfer market. It is what it is, pay the fees. It's ok selling for big sums and taking huge sums from the league, put it back in to the club or get out of the league and let Dyche move onwards and upwards.

It's annoying how many non Burnley fans really don't like Dyche and say his football is too boring to watch. He's absolutely class who can only work with what he has. Im sure he can play a different brand of football but he's not daft. He knows trying with the current team would be football suicide.

got to agree with your last paragraph on the "Brand" we have flair players with defour Brady and vydra...but as yet unavailable.stick to the tried and tested formula of defending....till the time is right for change.

agreenwood wrote:Imagine if this was the consensus amongst fans in football. I wonder what football would look like? It sounds really boring to me.

It doesn't matter how excited, incensed, furious, ****** off or anything else you get when watching, the reality is that it is only a game --like it or lump it. I have watched it all over the world and the same princple applies wherever you watch.
Even the dictionary description of football describes it as a game. Strange world isn't it?

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:It doesn't matter how excited, incensed, furious, ****** off or anything else you get when watching, the reality is that it is only a game --like it or lump it. I have watched it all over the world and the same princple applies wehrever you watch.
Even the dictionary description of football describes it as a game. Strange world isn't it?

Like the previous poster said, if we all had the attitude it would be a very boring game / world wouldn't it. It's probably good to have mix

Over to you Jamie " yeaaa it's just a game, it doesn't really matter" and gary your thoughts please "win or lose, no ones died, like Jamie says its just a game"

Thanks for your thoughts, and good night from us

edwardianclaret wrote:Like the previous poster said, if we all had the attitude it would be a very boring game / world wouldn't it. It's probably good to have mix

Over to you Jamie " yeaaa it's just a game, it doesn't really matter" and gary your thoughts please "win or lose, no ones died, like Jamie says its just a game"

Thanks for your thoughts, and good night from us

Read what I really said, you can get as excited etc. as you want but the REALITY is that it is just a game.
Many fans of Burnley find it boring to watch the Clarets whereas I find it very interesting to watch how we are set up and to listen to all the moans and groans from those around me at the Turf. I am part of the mix and have been for 67 seasons but I still find that it is only a game, as is Rugby, cricket, American Football etc.

Over 50 years a fan, and all I really care about is that there is a Burnley Football Club, and that the games are enjoyable. Winning is a bonus.

TsarBomba wrote:FFS. What does 1987 have to do with our current predicament?

Why do we use the Orient game as some sort of barometer for success? I just don’t get it. I suppose you’d be happy being mid-table in League 2, because that would still be progress, right?

The point if thge Orient game is that most people who remember it finnd it hard to look at our current position as a "predicament". Yes, I realise that we are in danger of being knocked out of Europe - which is a new one, we've never before been in danger of being knocked out of Europe this early in the season - so in that sense, perhaps, we're worse off than we have ever been?

boatshed bill wrote:Over 50 years a fan, and all I really care about is that there is a Burnley Football Club, and that the games are enjoyable. Winning is a bonus.

You sound like a perfect candidate for the board should they ever become room

At last, we’ve got some realists on the board; it is only a game.

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edwardianclaret wrote:You sound like a perfect candidate for the board should they ever become room

Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that we are competing at the highest level. Perhaps it's more about the importance of having a football club in the town.

Waaah!

Hysteria.

We are in Europe for the first time in a very long time with a very good chance of progressing to the group stages.

At Zurich Airport on Friday morning the wife of one of our directors told me that we are going to win on Thursday and progress to the next round.

Her husband and and a fellow director both said that they hoped that we will get beaten on Thursday and able to concentrate on the Premier League which is where the money is.

I disagreed with them after a brilliant couple of days in Athens and where many fans have waited decades to see their team play.

It's all about priorities I guess?

Had the same conversation flying back from Southampton with two other directors who must all think that we are stalking them but have all said the same thing.

Why can we not just all enjoy the moment?

gandhisflipflop wrote:The orient game and the dark days of division 4 was 30 years ago. Football has changed significantly since then, we are constantly battered by the orient game reference and it carries very little relevance if any other than being a significant date in our history just like 1960 was. The club have had a poor start, these things happen yes however the course of events leading upto this have been like being in a slow motion car crash in terms of the unnecessary risks being taken in the transfer window. We got away with 3 cbs last season, this season we have failed miserbaly to get the necessary bodies in that has resulted in 1 fit winger at the club and poor performances partly due to lack of bodies available. That is what has caused this unrest and to use the dark days of division 4 as an excuse is to simply bury your head in the sand and not face upto the issues we have at present. Ironically it is this caution that holds us back ultimately.

Give your Mummy a call!...she'll make it all better.

All I know is that things have never been the same since we let Juke go.

Kitch1966 wrote:they need us more than ever at present.

Sounds a bit hysterical tbh

Taffy on the wing wrote:Give your Mummy a call!...she'll make it all better.

Very intelligent response you bellend.

Kitch1966 wrote:To all fellow Clarets. Those of you having hissy fits need to breath, count to ten and calm down. Yes we have had a relatively poor start to the season and totally agree it's a cause for concern, but the hysteria on this board is embarrassing !

I am away in Lanzarote and only watched the last three games on TV , so maybe I'm not seeing fellow Clarets face to face with varying opinions on what has gone wrong thus far. However , I've witnessed hammerings at Peterborough, Scarborough and the likes, and trust me we've come a hell of a long way since those dark Division 4 days.

All this conspiracy theory of player unrest, revolts, etc., etc. We have seen and been in far deeper holes and come out smiling, so come on, get a grip !

So come on people , let's get right behind them, they need us now more than ever. Get off their backs, give them unwavering support , enjoy the ride and be positive.

All calm down to they need us more than ever in one post . Quite an hysterical contradiction is it not.

Last season none of the bottom 3 after 3 games were relegated. Win on Sunday and we go above Man Utd. Was our transfer dealings in the summer poor, yes. Win 2 nil on Thursday and then the players are buzzing ready for the Man U game. Start to target our transfer needs for January NOW, there are shed loads of potential in Portugal who will not break the bank if we need to get some " numbers in ", will we finish above Cardiff and Huddersfield? Surely yes and so which other clubs are going to struggle, us and.....Newcastle could lose the manager, West Ham could sack their manager, Zaha could be injured....to be continued.......

tybfc wrote:Hysteria.

We are in Europe for the first time in a very long time with a very good chance of progressing to the group stages.

At Zurich Airport on Friday morning the wife of one of our directors told me that we are going to win on Thursday and progress to the next round.

Her husband and and a fellow director both said that they hoped that we will get beaten on Thursday and able to concentrate on the Premier League which is where the money is.

I disagreed with them after a brilliant couple of days in Athens and where many fans have waited decades to see their team play.

It's all about priorities I guess?

Had the same conversation flying back from Southampton with two other directors who must all think that we are stalking them but have all said the same thing.

Why can we not just all enjoy the moment?

Then they have absolutely no idea what the fans want, and are losing a connection with us.

The vast majority want us to progress in Europe, even just to the group stages. It’s 6 games in 17 weeks or something like that. Toss the League Cup off and save a couple of games there. We also have several players getting closer to fitness, and who would play a role in the next stage. It’s no wonder ticket sales are slower when the fans get this back from the Directors.

There needs to be a communal wobbling of heads.

It’s not just the Orient game though is it ?
It’s 20 years of struggling in the lower divisions and then a long sustained period in the Championship which for many of us was mostly very enjoyable as its such a great competitive league and we started seeing a quality of player (like Blake, Little, McGreal, Elliot etc) that many of us had never seen before.

For us to get promoted to The Premier League was personally something I never thought I would see...as was beating teams like Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal in the Cup.

To stay in the league, finish 7th and play in Europe is beyond the expectations of any of us.

Every single statistic, financial metric or past experiences of this league points to it not lasting and getting relegated - whether it be this season or in the next few years it will very probably happen.

It’s absolutely fine to have a different set of expectations for the club - it’s probably going to lead to a lot more disappointment week in week out.

Referencing Orient or 20 years of lower league football is not relevant to where the club is today or how we deal in the transfer market etc....however, it is relevant to the fact that many of our fans having some perspective and being a lot more realistic in our expectations.

It’s a bit stupid saying some of us lack ambition or that we back the club up regardless - it’s more of a case of understanding that this Premier League lark is a bit hard - ask Leeds, Sunderland, and many other clubs who have been a lot bigger than Burnley.

One of the first albums I ever bought

The point of referring to the Orient game is that it gives you a perspective; a reference point. If you're old enough to remember it, you know that 9 May 1987 is arguably THE most important date in the club's history. It was an existential crisis, the likes of which we'd never seen before or since. I've seen the Clarets bottom of the Fourth Division and 4th in the Premier League. If we end up somewhere half way between (as we did for many seasons from 2000 onwards) it really isn't the existential crisis of the Orient game, is it? And if you're not old enough to remember it, you'll have another reference point, perhaps from the catastrophic Waddle season or Steve Cotterill's final season in charge. And that's fine.

Many on here are old enough and [un]fortunate enough to have witnessed the slow, agonising build up to the Orient game through the 84/85, 85/86 and 86/87 seasons. Trust me, in those hard times we were constantly reminded of how Burnley was a sleeping giant, a grand old lady that had fallen on hard times, and our reference point in those times was to the great sides of the 1960s and early 70s. We too just wanted people to focus on the here and now: the crises on and off the pitch and not the glory days of 20 years previous. But it was the anger among supporters at Burnley's situation in 1987 and the determination that it would never happen again that laid the early foundations for what the club is now. It is therefore understandable that so many of us use it as a benchmark for assessing the status of the club now and having a sense of perspective.

Before I sign off: none of this should be interpreted as endorsing a lack of ambition. But you do sometimes have to be realistic about what Burnley are capable of achieving. Last year was a very high watermark; don't be surprised that is it difficult to replicate.

[Edit: I could've saved myself a whole load of aggro by simply agreeing with TVC15!]

People saying we should "push on" from 7th and qualifying for the Europa League.

Have you any idea how hard that is to do that?

And we have to remember that we've had stinkers of ties in the Europa as well.

Yes, we are a couple of players short, and there is no excuse for it but its not a guarantee that we'd be able to even come close to replicating the amazing performances we put in last season.

jurek wrote:We do need to get behind the team and 'do our bit' to get
team spirit back or lifted and help improve performances in general.

Even if that means we lose our next three games but performances improve
and we don't get seriously tonked by United and Wolves.
Hopefully by the Wolves game both Vydras and Brady will be in the frame
and help give us a lift. Possibly even Defour and Gudmundsson getting close too.
After that we've got some tricky games coming up (Bournemouth at home, Cardiff away)
and wouldn't wish to be coming up to those games with everyone's head down.

Fans alone can't do it but it seems as if some, if not quite a few players need to
improve their form ( whatever that actually means)
and if they do so I'm sure the fans will recognise that and get behind them.

Wow, we now have Woods, Hendriks and Vydras! Any more?

To all fellow Clarets. Those of you having hissy fits need to breath, count to ten and calm down. Yes we have had a relatively poor start to the season and totally agree it's a cause for concern, but the hysteria on this board is embarrassing !

I've seen no hysteria on here about our performances, just some saying the same things SD is saying in that we should of strengthened more in the summer. I do see many happy clappers having hissy fits though when something is said that they do not agree with!

BigChaCha wrote:I've seen no hysteria on here about our performances, just some saying the same things SD is saying in that we should of strengthened more in the summer. I do see many happy clappers having hissy fits though when something is said that they do not agree with!

And how would that have helped with our defensive displays in the last three games?

BigChaCha wrote:I've seen no hysteria on here about our performances, just some saying the same things SD is saying in that we should of strengthened more in the summer. I do see many happy clappers having hissy fits though when something is said that they do not agree with!

"happy clappers" eh....same old boring sh-it comes out every time. Happy clappers because we are not using words like shambolic, disgrace or calling for the owner to step down or that the manager has took them as far as he can ?

So you don't think any of that counts as hysteria ?....or have you not read the threads ?

There must be at least 25 threads debating the same old thing with literally thousands of posts.....when if you take it right back to basics it could very easily be summarised into one single indisputable fact - we have been very unlucky with injuries in the last 12 months. We lost arguably our best 2 players last season to long term injuries and one of our biggest signings who was at the time playing the best he has played since joining the club. We have picked up more injuries in the last 12 months than the rest of Dyche`s tenure put together.