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Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:39 pm
by wickdkewlclaret
Good at making money, but at what cost?

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Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:34 pm
by Spiral
Absolute pi$$takers. Not au fait with this area of the law but it sounds illegal. How can your wallet with your ID and your money be subject to a lost property policy? I'm fairly certain if I find a wallet I'm legally obliged to hand it in, not keep it.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:40 pm
by Billy Balfour
Aye, and they said that privatisation would improve customer service. What a load of old bull and robdogs too. Now where's my dividend?

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:42 pm
by South West Claret.
Privatisation = Profiteering shock!

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:44 pm
by Damo
Whereas if it was public sector, his wallet and it's contents would now belong to the state

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:47 pm
by Billy Balfour
Spiral wrote:Absolute pi$$takers. Not au fait with this area of the law but it sounds illegal.
I reckon so too. In any case, it's morally reprehensible.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:47 pm
by Spiral
Damo wrote:Whereas if it was public sector, his wallet and it's contents would now belong to the state
Odd, that, because I'm fairly sure that when I lost my bag in school I wasn't charged an admin fee to reclaim it. Nor did the state presume to claim it as its property.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:50 pm
by Damo
I'm guessing the contents of your school bag wasn't worth the ransom

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:51 pm
by yTib
in a nutshell?

the sort of thing everyone grumbles about yet will do nothing to repel.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:01 pm
by john'sroseyspecs
Theft by finding?

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:19 pm
by Billy Balfour
Damo wrote:Whereas if it was public sector, his wallet and it's contents would now belong to the state
Really? I'd love to see you back that up, but of course, you can't? BR would have been torn to pieces by the tabloids if they had tried something like this. BTW: I'm not saying BR was perfect, far from it, however, it was far better than what we have today. The current model screws the users and the taxpayers too.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:25 pm
by PaintYorkClaretnBlue
john'sroseyspecs wrote:Theft by finding?
No such offence, but if you keep something that you find without making reasonable efforts to find its owner then you are guilty of theft.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:27 pm
by Spiral
Billy Balfour wrote:Really? I'd love to see you back that up, but of course, you can't? BR would have been torn to pieces by the tabloids if they had tried something like this. BTW: I'm not saying BR was perfect, far from it, however, it was far better than what we have today. The current model screws the users and the taxpayers too.
Damo is dogmatically ideological when it comes to this, no doubt borne of a lifetime of tabloid news consumption. You'd probably have greater success explaining the concept of natural monopoly to your toilet brush.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:27 pm
by piston broke
Change of policy and repaid.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:32 pm
by Billy Balfour
Spiral wrote:You'd probably have greater success explaining the concept of natural monopoly to your toilet brush.
I agree. I usually ignore his 'comments', but this time I couldn't let such utter bellendery pass me by.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:34 pm
by Spiral
piston broke wrote:Change of policy and repaid.
After getting busted, publicly, yeah. Less damaging to give him his wallet back and...you know...comply with (I presume?) the law of the land than see their brand tarnished. Back in the olden days without social media the poor c.unt probably would have needed to go through the courts, which is obviously more expensive than the tenner reclamation fee. Post hoc change of policy doesn't change the fact they're pi$$takers.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:54 pm
by AndrewJB
We still have state-run railways, but it’s other countries state railways that run ours. Every journey we make on those lines subsidises the rail users in those countries. For people like Damo the concept of taking back control doesn’t extend to our railways.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:09 am
by Spiral
Honestly don't care who runs them, so long as they run. Honestly don't care if Germans make a bit of profit on it, so long as they run properly. The argument for un-f.ucking utterly f.ucked essential public services isn't repatriation for repatriation's sake, it's that those essential services are utterly f.ucked and need un-f.ucking by whatever means.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:01 pm
by Oshkoshclaret
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This chart is privatisation In a nutshell. May not be perfect, but the best thing that happened to UK railways in my lifetime. There is simply no comparison in the quality of passenger experience now vs the catastrophe that was British Rail.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:14 pm
by ClaretAndJew
Oshkoshclaret wrote:Image

This chart is privatisation In a nutshell. May not be perfect, but the best thing that happened to UK railways in my lifetime. There is simply no comparison in the quality of passenger experience now vs the catastrophe that was British Rail.
What were people doing during 1948-1995 to get about?

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:01 pm
by dpinsussex
Just don't carry cash.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:21 pm
by bfcjg
Labour looking to reintroduce clause 4 ie the re-nationalisation of utilities etc. I like that.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:06 pm
by thatdberight
bfcjg wrote:Labour looking to reintroduce clause 4 ie the re-nationalisation of utilities etc. I like that.
That was great last time. Thank goodness the workers in those industries didn't abuse their position.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:36 pm
by Imploding Turtle
Oshkoshclaret wrote:Image

This chart is privatisation In a nutshell. May not be perfect, but the best thing that happened to UK railways in my lifetime. There is simply no comparison in the quality of passenger experience now vs the catastrophe that was British Rail.

In what way does that graph support your opinion? For that graph to support your opinion then there can't be any other possible explanation for why rail usage decreased during a boom for another transport industry (cars).

Also, why the hell are we subsidising the rail industry more now than when it was nationalised? No wonder things seem better while privatised if they're taking even more taxpayer money than when it was state-owned.

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Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:10 am
by AndrewJB
There’s nothing in that chart describing satisfaction. Or fares which are the highest in Europe. I suspect service levels won’t be at their highest levels right now with the recent fiascos. But yeah, other than that privatisation has gone well.

Re: Privatisation in a nutshell?

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:18 am
by Billy Balfour
How does that chart back up your argument? You might as well post a picture of a banana.