Given the current poor start to the season ( and end to last season ) how long should Dyche be given to turn things around?

For me if we fail a win in the next 3 his position should be under consideration. This hasn’t happened overnight, since Leicester/Watford games last season we have not turned up in any competitive game at all.

Our system is rigid and stale and we have failed miserably in the transfer market.

More worryingly the players just don’t look up for it.

Until he decides he's done all he can to turn it around. Not even a consideration.

I wouldn't sack him if he took us down. But today was a vile performance.

Until next transfer window. We need a manager willing to buy some players with pace and skill in the transfer window rather than players that have good character.

The OP is exactly what is wrong with modern football. 5 games in after our best season / seasons in half a centuary and we are talking about binning off the man who built it all?

Ridiculous.

A very, very tricky decision after everything that Dyche has done for Burnley. He certainly shouldn’t be beyond question though.

Our current situation begins to hinder the ‘togetherness’ that Dyche has often called out as so important. The Board are questioned because of lack of signings (is it them or Dyche or something else?), Dyche is questioned because our style is only accepted when we are winning (not being pleasing is only conducive with positive results).

That togetherness from board to management to team to fans suddenly seems further away than it has been for a while.

15 years at least

Not a chance Dyche will be sacked even if we go down.

Well - if we go down and Sean is prepared to stay. We keep him.

It's more a question of when Sean wants to leave us, than the other way around.

We need to have a Plan B of life in the Championship. I understand that. Does SD understand that? If he does - then we're fine. If he doesn't agree with what the board are saying, then he will leave us. It will be nothing to do with us giving him time.

"it's not a never ending story"....

Goobs wrote:The OP is exactly what is wrong with modern football. 5 games in after our best season / seasons in half a centuary and we are talking about binning off the man who built it all?

Ridiculous.

I thought we were 11 games in personally.. and we have failed to win in 90 mins in all 11... but if you had considered what I’d said about the rot setting in last season, we aren’t far off that stretch under cotterball.

I don’t know about you but I find that unacceptable. And to make matters worse apart from a couple of halves against Southampton and Watford we have looked like a team 2 divisions below.

FactualFrank wrote:Well - if we go down and Sean is prepared to stay. We keep him.

It's more a question of when Sean wants to leave us, than the other way around.

We need to have a Plan B of life in the Championship. I understand that. Does SD understand that? If he does - then we're fine. If he doesn't agree with what the board are saying, then he will leave us. It will be nothing to do with us giving him time.

If that’s the case then the club and fans deserve a clear out at board room level aswell.

I wouldn’t sack him even if we go down.

He’s already proven twice he can get us out of the Championship.

I wouldn't sack him either, even if he took us down. It's up to him if and when he chooses to call time. He's earned that for sure. Plus he'd be our best chance of coming straight back up.

Instead of just suggesting he's booted out, put up a name for who you'd replace him with.

jrgbfc wrote:Not a chance Dyche will be sacked even if we go down.

So if we don't win in the next 10-15 games you still think dyche will be in a job? With the prem money involved believe me he will be sacked regardless of what he has achieved in the past & the call will go out to big Sam to rescue us.

Dark Cloud wrote:I wouldn't sack him either, even if he took us down. It's up to him if and when he chooses to call time. He's earned that for sure. Plus he'd be our best chance of coming straight back up.

If we went down we wouldn't sack him,but I bet the ranch he would walk away.

Right_winger wrote:If that’s the case then the club and fans deserve a clear out at board room level aswell.

Yes, just think, with a complete change we could be the new Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Sheffield United, Barnsley, Oldham Athletic, Norwich City, Ipswich Town yada yada yada...

its been a bad run when you consider in 2 games time its cardiff away and that will be all the promoted teas played yes all away from home but so far 0/6 points and soundly beaten in both. Cardiff whether they beat us or not will earmark this home game as one of their best chances of getting a home win and 3 points. We have not got a team where any of the opposition are wary of anyone of our team absolute no fear factor.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Instead of just suggesting he's booted out, put up a name for who you'd replace him with.

There’s plenty who’d do a better job.

I’d take Allerdyce and Moyes for sure over Mr 1 dimensional.

The day Dyche leaves Burnley, it should be his decision. He is unsackable to me, and I would allow him to try and bring us back up after relegation.

I am as naffed off as anyone on here about how rubbish we are, but I don’t think losing the guy who has taken us to places we never dreamed of is the right call. Who would we get in to turn it around?

Fat Sam waiting in the wings

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Instead of just suggesting he's booted out, put up a name for who you'd replace him with.

Who would want the job?
According to many posters just about everything is wrong at the club, including the chairman.

Claretuk wrote:So if we don't win in the next 10-15 games you still think dyche will be in a job? With the prem money involved believe me he will be sacked regardless of what he has achieved in the past & the call will go out to big Sam to rescue us.

Big Sam? He will never score enough goals.

Right_winger wrote:If that’s the case then the club and fans deserve a clear out at board room level aswell.

Be careful what you wish for. The board and manager know how to get out of the Championship.

Money rules. Not the quality of manager. Not the quality of coaches and staff. Money. So we would need investment to stay in the Premier League. Without that, the board have to save money, just in case. We can't spend everything we have, as we could still go down. We need relegation clauses to reduce wages. Clubs like Wolves don't need to mess about with things like that.

We sacked Jimmy Adamson shortly after his team had been sold out from under him and that didn’t work out well.
If we go down, and I don’t think we will, SD is the perfect man to bring us straight back up.
Some sides need the boost of a new manager, this side needed the boost of new players.

Steve1956 wrote:If we went down we wouldn't sack him,but I bet the ranch he would walk away.

I agree. I think it was different when we went straight back down the first time with SD. Everybody almost expected it beforehand and I think he saw it as part of a much longer, building process. Now it would be wholly different after almost 6 years in charge and being the chap he is I suspect he'd walk.

Right_winger wrote:There’s plenty who’d do a better job.

I’d take Allerdyce and Moyes for sure over Mr 1 dimensional.

Sam I would understand to a point

Moyes though?
Put the drugs down.

Sean will never be sacked by Burnley. Part of the problem is that he himself knows this. It’s a recipe for disaster and any club with any ambition at all would be at least considering parting company. It looks like the end of the road as far as SD is concerned, notwithstanding that he will be here until at least the end of this season, regardless of whether we are relegated or not.

Right_winger wrote:Given the current poor start to the season ( and end to last season ) how long should Dyche be given to turn things around?

For me if we fail a win in the next 3 his position should be under consideration. This hasn’t happened overnight, since Leicester/Watford games last season we have not turned up in any competitive game at all.

Our system is rigid and stale and we have failed miserably in the transfer market.

More worryingly the players just don’t look up for it.

No manager on earth would be good enough. I mean, you look at the Southampton away game when we were on top for 70 minutes and scored the only valid goal of the game, and you consider that "not turning up". We batter Olympiakos like Wolves battered us, and you consider that "not turning up". Even the Watford game, we played well first half; we played well against Aberdeen and against Istanbul. If you have seen all that and still reckon that we have not turned up in any competitive match, then there isn't a manager that would suit you.

On a similar subject, what about Guardiola's position? They haven't made the best of starts.

Poorest Burnley team for a long time this is. The idea is to strengthen isn't it? Struggle in the Champìonship this team.

We haven't replaced Gray, Marney or Arfield with better players. In fact we haven't replaced them.

Stayingup wrote:Struggle in the Champìonship this team.

Short memories. Lennon and Hart are the only ones who haven't proved themselves in the Championship.

He is a great manager, any suggestion he goes is ridiculous !!
He brought us here due to his abilities, he was the one who organised the team to fight their way out of the championship to finish as top dogs.
Dyche was the in demand coach remember, and he got the club a european slot as recently as 4 months ago.
Never in a million years should there be talk of his dismissal

Goobs wrote:The OP is exactly what is wrong with modern football. 5 games in after our best season / seasons in half a centuary and we are talking about binning off the man who built it all?

Ridiculous.

Well i will put it another way - if we were to go down i bet he would not be prepared to stay to get us back up again.

I'd rather sack the board.

They constantly let Mr Dyche and the fans down.
They've got lucky with the miracles Mr Dyche has performed, yet continue to run the club like a back street burger van.

Everything done on the cheap.

As said numerous times, only put to bleed as much as possible from the fans whilst giving as little as possible back.

Failing to strengthen the starting 11 in 2 Windows, is starting to show.
You reap what you sow.

The problem, as always, is that the idiots shout loudest.

Dyche has been let down by the 'recruitment team' (whoever they may be). He gets the best out of our squad, no doubt at all.

We looked better today, but we can't keep a clean sheet and can't score. Some of our 'fight', as a club, not just the 11 seems missing.

Next week is a massive game

dsr wrote:No manager on earth would be good enough. I mean, you look at the Southampton away game when we were on top for 70 minutes and scored the only valid goal of the game, and you consider that "not turning up". We batter Olympiakos like Wolves battered us, and you consider that "not turning up". Even the Watford game, we played well first half; we played well against Aberdeen and against Istanbul. If you have seen all that and still reckon that we have not turned up in any competitive match, then there isn't a manager that would suit you.

On a similar subject, what about Guardiola's position? They haven't made the best of starts.

I would take you seriously if you thought we actually scored at southampton

Ten games is the usual for really bad starts, we are bottom after 5 games so if were in relegation zone by ten games still you have to question if the players have downed tools for some reason....Chris Wood in particular looks completely disinterested compared to last year....

Forever .best manager weve ever .Let down badly by the board re spending .But injuries to key players Nick Defour Brady Ward and Gibson havent helped
Sean needs to bring McNeil and Ageyi to freshen up the squad

BOYSIE31 wrote:I would take you seriously if you thought we actually scored at southampton

To make it clearer, by "valid goal" I meant that we put the ball in the net without committing any infringement. The implication, possibly too subtly expressed was that although the game finished 0-0 (I presumed we all knew that), we did score a valid goal, wrongly disallowed.

IAmAClaret wrote:The problem, as always, is that the idiots shout loudest.

Dyche has been let down by the 'recruitment team' (whoever they may be). He gets the best out of our squad, no doubt at all.

We looked better today, but we can't keep a clean sheet and can't score. Some of our 'fight', as a club, not just the 11 seems missing.

Next week is a massive game

Is it more massive than this week's? And what about the week after?

Claretuk wrote:So if we don't win in the next 10-15 games you still think dyche will be in a job? With the prem money involved believe me he will be sacked regardless of what he has achieved in the past & the call will go out to big Sam to rescue us.

I can almost guarantee he will be! The board know he is capable of getting a team promoted from the Championship.

There's no way our current board would sack Dyche and rightly so.
He might go of his own accord but doubt that too.

Absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that Dyche has been a revelation for Burnley. He has worked wonders on a small budget (in PL terms!). However, when you're struggling, you need to earn your coin and with some of Sean's line ups and tactics I think he's fallen short this season. Of course there is plenty of time but if we don't win the next three then questions will be asked - rightly in my opinion, it's a results business and lets me honest, the style of football isn't easy on the eye either. Football can be a cruel game, we've all seen it before - a fantastic season followed by a poor start sees a manager, quite often, lose his job. Time will tell and I hope he sorts it out, for his and our sake.

jurek wrote:He might go of his own accord but doubt that too.

I doubt anyone would walk away from £3.5 million a year. And rightly so.

I still think if we keep getting beat every week then by the time game 20 arrives dyche will be sacked unfortunately..

Silkyskills1 wrote:Is it more massive than this week's? And what about the week after?

1) Yes, due to todays result.
2) possibly. Depends on the result.

Anything else?

Too reactionary.

In Dyche we trust.

I wouldn't want any other manager to try and pull us through this bad patch.

After giving him that 5 year contract last season would cost us a fortune to sack him. No way our Board will be willing to pay that much compo.

jurek wrote:There's no way our current board would sack Dyche and rightly so.
He might go of his own accord but doubt that too.

They wouldn't sack him because it would cost them money

I wouldn't sack Dyche, I'd like the board to back him properly to give him a chance. If they don't do that then it's them that should get the stick