Southgate

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:32 pm

Wonder what he will take away from today's match?

Surely Hart has to be right up there in his considerations? Not sure what to make of Cork today and Tarks was solid.

A recall for Lennon

?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:34 pm

I'd like Hart to get another chance.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:35 pm

I actually forgot cork played.

Hart was good again.
Lowton good.
Taylor average.
Tarks been better but been worse.
Mee average.
Westwood excellent. Very good.
Cork anonymous.
Lennon outstanding.
Barnes outstanding.

No wonder he is here so often. 9 players

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:36 pm

Cork was very solid and productive.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:41 pm

Was there to watch Ryan Fraser

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:49 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Was there to watch Ryan Fraser

But will 100% include Joe Hart in his squad next game for sure.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:52 pm

Why would he be watching Barnes?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:54 pm

jdrobbo wrote:Why would he be watching Barnes?

Red Herring.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:04 am

Ryan Fraser is a Sweaty?

Targetman · Post by **Targetman** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:06 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I actually forgot cork played.

Hart was good again.
Lowton good.
Taylor average.
Tarks been better but been worse.
Mee average.
Westwood excellent. Very good.
Cork anonymous.
Lennon outstanding.
Barnes outstanding.

No wonder he is here so often. 9 players

Cork anonymous?!?
You must have been at a different game to me!

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:11 am

basil6345789 wrote:Ryan Fraser is a Sweaty?

Youd be sweaty too if you ran around as much as he did this aft

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:12 am

Lowton good?!?
You must have been at a different game to me.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:34 am

scouseclaret wrote:Lowton good?!?
You must have been at a different game to me.

It's a stretch to say Lowts was excellent today but, if that's your opinion, fair enough scouse.

Red Herr-ing or Red Hair-ing for our Bashley Arms?

UTC!

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:58 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Was there to watch Ryan Fraser

Who, the Scotland winger?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:01 am

JohnMac wrote:Who, the Scotland winger?

Was there another Ryan Fraser playing yesterday?

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:04 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Was there another Ryan Fraser playing yesterday?

Why Southgate would be interested in watching him specifically is then a mystery known only to himself.

And you evidently

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:04 am

I suppose it was the game in the prem featuring the highest number of English players.

Plus the fact he has a season ticket at TM.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:09 am

Said on MOTD he was looking at Callum Wilson so it must be true because Lineker said it

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:11 am

JohnMac wrote:Why Southgate would be interested in watching him specifically is then a mystery known only to himself.

And you evidently

Im sure he wasnt really watching Fraser and I have no idea who Southgate might be watching, I was just messing about.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:19 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Im sure he wasnt really watching Fraser and I have no idea who Southgate might be watching, I was just messing about.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:21 am

Sure I heard he lives near Harrogate so he would have had a choice between us and the mighty Leeds.

No brainer then

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:26 am

Reported he was watching Callum Wilson.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:28 am

Of course, he could be there to watch more than just 1 player

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:35 am

Cork was outshone by some very good individual performances, but he did the basics well as ever.

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:38 am

I’d said in my rating that Cork seem like he would benefit from a rest but as the above post says, he may of just been outshone but the other midfield 3 who all put in improved individual performances

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:42 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I actually forgot cork played.

Hart was good again.
Lowton good.
Taylor average.
Tarks been better but been worse.
Mee average.
Westwood excellent. Very good.
Cork anonymous.
Lennon outstanding.
Barnes outstanding.

No wonder he is here so often. 9 players

Isn't Barnes French or something like that?

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:47 am

Have a feeling Hart will never be included in an England squad again. After refusing to be the 4th GK in the warm ups to the final world cup squad I think he screwed up his chances of being recalled again. Southgate does hold grudges with things like this as shown by his refusal to pick Zaha and happily let him play for another country.

If the likes of Pope and Heaton aren't picked because of lack of games he will start picking Gunn or McCarthy and start planning for the future

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:39 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Isn't Barnes French or something like that?

Yes Definitely French from Somerset but luckily he has an Austrian granny and may get a nod from there....although He didn't last time, when it was thought he might.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:29 pm

I don’t see the point in recalling Hart, when he has younger keepers in the squad..... its a little backward thinking

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:31 pm

He may have been watching Chas Taylor....

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm

Reported that he was there to watch Callum Wilson.

KlyBfc · Post by **KlyBfc** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm

I said to my brother in law as we walked out re: Cork, it wasn’t that he played badly (he did his job in a tidy unassuming professional manner) it’s just the other 3 were excellent yesterday. I often had this opinion about Jones, he did an an excellent job most weeks without really shining (though his assists were often ignored) compared to the comparative Marney, Barton, Arfield etc

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:49 pm

JohnMac wrote:Sure I heard he lives near Harrogate so he would have had a choice between us and the mighty Leeds.
No brainer then

Lives in Linton (near Wetherby) a village for millionaires. It’s where wealthy Harrogate people live.

Bop · Post by **Bop** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:35 pm

Loves the match day atmosphere and our lava pies. Why else would he come back repeatedly?

ants_g · Post by **ants_g** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:42 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:Lives in Linton (near Wetherby) a village for millionaires. It’s where wealthy Harrogate people live.

Lives near Blubberhouses doesn't he? Little Timble near Swinston reservoir?

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:42 pm

'Lives in Linton (near Wetherby) a village for millionaires. It’s where wealthy Harrogate people live.

'

No he doesn't.

'Near Harrogate' was closer.

Edit - ants has it.

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:43 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Reported that he was there to watch Callum Wilson.

Must be looking for someone who is good at standing around in front of goalkeepers

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:57 pm

kaptin1 wrote:Must be looking for someone who is good at standing around in front of goalkeepers

hahah forgot about that. Soon stopped after Hart passed him off to Tarks who was having none of it.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:05 pm

scouseclaret wrote:Lowton good?!?
You must have been at a different game to me.

Lowton got a good 2 minute rollicking from Dyche in the 2nd half for a woeful cross when he should knocked it wide to Guddy.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:08 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:He may have been watching Chas Taylor....

Yep he's going to be an international. Well spotted. Something unusual for you.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:12 pm

Bop wrote:Loves the match day atmosphere and our lava pies. Why else would he come back repeatedly?

The way things are trending there will soon come a point where certain games will be off limits to Southgate due to there being no Englishmen playing. When the PL began teams comprised 76% English players and that figure has reduced year on year and is now a frightening 34%, a situation that the England manager must find difficult to accept.

Obviously not helped by the fact that only 6 of the current PL teams have English managers. At least when he visits Turf Moor there are several English players to run the rule over but in general terms he really must despair at the ever reducing number of English players operating at the top level.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:25 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:The way things are trending there will soon come a point where certain games will be off limits to Southgate due to there being no Englishmen playing. When the PL began teams comprised 76% English players and that figure has reduced year on year and is now a frightening 34%, a situation that the England manager must find difficult to accept.

Obviously not helped by the fact that only 6 of the current PL teams have English managers. At least when he visits Turf Moor there are several English players to run the rule over but in general terms he really must despair at the ever reducing number of English players operating at the top level.

Let's be honest though, prior to the formation of the PL the national team were no better. We just had a bigger pool of poor quality players!

Can anyone really say that after winning the World Cup in 1966 they ever had high hopes afterwards?

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:48 pm

dougcollins wrote:'Lives in Linton (near Wetherby) a village for millionaires. It’s where wealthy Harrogate people live. '

No he doesn't.

'Near Harrogate' was closer.

Edit - ants has it.

I understand that property (near Blubberhouses) is on the market and they no longer live there.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:29 am

Royboyclaret wrote:The way things are trending there will soon come a point where certain games will be off limits to Southgate due to there being no Englishmen playing. When the PL began teams comprised 76% English players and that figure has reduced year on year and is now a frightening 34%, a situation that the England manager must find difficult to accept.

The same manager who included the following as his signings when Middlesbrough manager.

Julio Arca
Robert Huth
Lee Dong-Gook
Jeremie Aliadiere
Tuncay
Ahmed Mido
Mohamed Shawky
Afonso Alves
Herold Goulon
Marvin Emnes
Didier Digard
Barry Robson
Chris Killen
Willo Flood
Scott McDonald
Lee Miller
Kris Boyd

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:43 am

Spijed wrote:Let's be honest though, prior to the formation of the PL the national team were no better. We just had a bigger pool of poor quality players!

Can anyone really say that after winning the World Cup in 1966 they ever had high hopes afterwards?

Well in:
1986, we were punched out of a semi-final.
1990, we were denied a final on pens.
1996, we’d have been in the final if Gascoigne hadn’t cut his toenails.
2006, we’d have been in the final if Rooney hadn't been crippled and a blind? ref had allowed Campbells perfectly good goal.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:37 am

ClaretTony wrote:The same manager who included the following as his signings when Middlesbrough manager.

Julio Arca
Robert Huth
Lee Dong-Gook
Jeremie Aliadiere
Tuncay
Ahmed Mido
Mohamed Shawky
Afonso Alves
Herold Goulon
Marvin Emnes
Didier Digard
Barry Robson
Chris Killen
Willo Flood
Scott McDonald
Lee Miller
Kris Boyd

Aye, Southgate was no doubt as responsible as many other club managers for the growing trend.

The point of the post though was to highlight the extent of the latest figures not so much to apportion blame. In four or five seasons time, if the trend continues, PL teams will be lucky to contain just two English players out of the eleven and that surely must be to the detriment of the national team as a whole.

Burnley, of course under Dyche, continue to be the exception to the rule.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:44 am

piston broke wrote:Well in:
1986, we were punched out of a semi-final.
1990, we were denied a final on pens.
1996, we’d have been in the final if Gascoigne hadn’t cut his toenails.
2006, we’d have been in the final if Rooney hadn't been crippled and a blind? ref had allowed Campbells perfectly good goal.

You can add 1970 too when we were extremely unlucky against West Germany and had a perfectly good goal disallowed.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:44 am

Sky saying that Aaron Lennon is not expecting a recall, despite his wonder performance in front of the England manager!!!

Once a name, always a name, it seems.

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:53 am

In 10 years time Burnley will supply Southgate or whoever with the keeper and back 3/back 4. A nd hopefully 1 or 2 others.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:58 pm

Rowls wrote:You can add 1970 too when we were extremely unlucky against West Germany and had a perfectly good goal disallowed.

I can't recall us having a goal disallowed. I do remember us taking a hammering once Bobby Charlton was subbed.